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NYT: Islamist Group Is Rising Force in a New Egypt

hypocritexposer

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March 24, 2011
Islamist Group Is Rising Force in a New Egypt

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

CAIRO — In post-revolutionary Egypt, where hope and confusion collide in the daily struggle to build a new nation, religion has emerged as a powerful political force, following an uprising that was based on secular ideals. The Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group once banned by the state, is at the forefront, transformed into a tacit partner with the military government that many fear will thwart fundamental changes.

It is also clear that the young, educated secular activists who initially propelled the nonideological revolution are no longer the driving political force — at least not at the moment.

As the best organized and most extensive opposition movement in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood was expected to have an edge in the contest for influence. But what surprises many is its link to a military that vilified it.

“There is evidence the Brotherhood struck some kind of a deal with the military early on,” said Elijah Zarwan, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group. “It makes sense if you are the military — you want stability and people off the street. The Brotherhood is one address where you can go to get 100,000 people off the street.”

There is a battle consuming Egypt about the direction of its revolution, and the military council that is now running the country is sending contradictory signals. On Wednesday, the council endorsed a plan to outlaw demonstrations and sit-ins. Then, a few hours later, the public prosecutor announced that the former interior minister and other security officials would be charged in the killings of hundreds during the protests.

Egyptians are searching for signs of clarity in such declarations, hoping to discern the direction of a state led by a secretive military council brought to power by a revolution based on demands for democracy, rule of law and an end to corruption.

“We are all worried,” said Amr Koura, 55, a television producer, reflecting the opinions of the secular minority. “The young people have no control of the revolution anymore. It was evident in the last few weeks when you saw a lot of bearded people taking charge. The youth are gone.”

The Muslim Brotherhood is also regarded warily by some religious Egyptians, who see it as an elitist, secret society. These suspicions have created potential opportunities for other parties.

About six groups from the ultraconservative Salafist school of Islam have also emerged in the era after President Hosni Mubarak’s removal, as well as a party called Al Wassat, intended as a more liberal alternative to the Brotherhood.

In the early stages of the revolution, the Brotherhood was reluctant to join the call for demonstrations. It jumped in only after it was clear that the protest movement had gained traction. Throughout, the Brotherhood kept a low profile, part of a survival instinct honed during decades of repression by the state.

The question at the time was whether the Brotherhood would move to take charge with its superior organizational structure. It now appears that it has.

“The Brotherhood didn’t want this revolution; it has never been a revolutionary movement,” said Mr. Zarwan of the International Crisis Group. “Now it has happened; they participated cautiously, and they realize they can set their sights higher.”

But in these early stages, there is growing evidence of the Brotherhood’s rise and the overpowering force of Islam.

When the new prime minister, Essam Sharaf, addressed the crowd in Tahrir Square this month, Mohamed el-Beltagi, a prominent Brotherhood member, stood by his side. A Brotherhood member was also appointed to the committee that drafted amendments to the Constitution.

But the most obvious and consequential example was the recent referendum on the amendments, in the nation’s first post-Mubarak balloting. The amendments essentially call for speeding up the election process so that parliamentary contests can be held before September, followed soon after by a presidential race. That expedited calendar is seen as giving an advantage to the Brotherhood and to the remnants of Mr. Mubarak’s National Democratic Party, which have established national networks. The next Parliament will oversee drafting a new constitution.

Before the vote, Essam el-Erian, a Brotherhood leader and spokesman, appeared on a popular television show, “The Reality,” arguing for the government’s position in favor of the proposal. With a record turnout, the vote was hailed as a success. But the “yes” campaign was based largely on a religious appeal: voters were warned that if they did not approve the amendments, Egypt would become a secular state.

“The problem is that our country will be without a religion,” read a flier distributed in Cairo by a group calling itself the Egyptian Revolution Society. “This means that the call to the prayer will not be heard anymore like in the case of Switzerland, women will be banned from wearing the hijab like in the case of France,” it said, referring to the Muslim head scarf. “And there will be laws that allow men to get married to men and women to get married to women like in the case of America.”

A banner hung by the Muslim Brotherhood in a square in Alexandria instructed voters that it was their “religious duty” to vote “yes” on the amendments.

In the end, 77.2 percent of those who voted said yes.

This is not to say that the Brotherhood is intent on establishing an Islamic state. From the first days of the protests, Brotherhood leaders proclaimed their dedication to religious tolerance and a democratic and pluralist form of government. They said they would not offer a candidate for president, that they would contest only a bit more than a third of the total seats in Parliament, and that Coptic Christians and women would be welcomed into the political party affiliated with the movement.

None of that has changed, Mr. Erian, the spokesman, said in an interview. “We are keen to spread our ideas and our values,” he said. “We are not keen for power.”

He would not comment on whether the Brotherhood had an arrangement with the military, but he said the will of the people to shift toward Islam spoke for itself and was a sign of Egypt’s emerging democratic values. “Don’t trust the intellectuals, liberals and secularists,” Mr. Erian said. “They are a minor group crying all the time. If they don’t work hard, they have no future.”

But the more secular forces say that what they need is time.

“I worry about going too fast towards elections, that the parties are still weak,” said Nabil Ahmed Helmy, former dean of the Zagazig law school and a member of the National Council for Human Rights. “The only thing left right now is the Muslim Brotherhood. I do think that people are trying to take over the revolution.”

Egypt is still a work in progress. Ola Shahba, 32, a member of a group in the youth coalition behind the protests, said, “After the results of the referendum, we need to be humble.”

The coalition and others have said they see the overwhelming approval of the amendments and the rise of the Brotherhood as worrisome, and as evidence that more liberal forces need to organize in a more effective outreach campaign, and fast.

“Freedom is nice; so is democracy,” said Rifaat Abdul Massih, 39, a construction worker. “But I’m a Christian, and we are a bit worried about the future. I voted ‘no’ to give more time to the secular parties. I don’t want to have the Muslim Brotherhood here right away.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/middleeast/25egypt.html?_r=2&hp
 

Steve

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On Wednesday, the council endorsed a plan to outlaw demonstrations and sit-ins.

“We are all worried,” said Amr Koura, 55, a television producer, reflecting the opinions of the secular minority. “The young people have no control of the revolution anymore. It was evident in the last few weeks when you saw a lot of bearded people taking charge. The youth are gone.”

The question at the time was whether the Brotherhood would move to take charge with its superior organizational structure. It now appears that it has.

so what was really accomplished?
 

burnt

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For all the wrong things that Gadhaffi is In Libya, there is reason to believe that the rebel forces who are pushing him out are the same types that taking over the Egyptian movement.

From a Western perspective, the Arabic world might be jumping out of the fat and into the fire.

I wonder if that might be part of the reason that the coalition was slow to jump into the mess in Libya. Let the nasty dictator wear them (the rebels) down a bit so that when he's finally deposed, there will be less of the extremist, militant leadership left to deal with?

They could have taken - and can still take - Gadhaffi out any time they wanted, I'm sure.
 

hypocritexposer

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Anybody that does their homework on the obama administration will notice that they are not too fond of Israel. they believe they have too much power in the region. Samantha Powers, who is married to Cass Sunstein that "mammoth force" of Muslims to counter Israel is needed.

That force is being built. some call it a Caliphate. And if you read anything by the Muslim Brotherhood and some of the other Muslim groups, this is also their goal.

If Gadhaffi was the one that joined their movement, fine, but when it looked like the rebels were gaining ground, they wanted to be on the side of the winner, so as to help build this force.

Many people had this figured out a bit ago and Beck went over it on his show last night.



Tonight: This show is definitely one to share folks...Glenn lays out a series of issues on the table and asks the question- Is America on the wrong side? One of the key players in tonight's show is Samantha Powers, the wife of Cass Sunstein, who was instrumental in advising Obama on Libya. She is a proponent of the Responsibility to Protest doctrine that the UN has used to invade Libya. Other Progressives like Richard Falk want to use that same doctrine to justify invading Israel. Powers herself has called for a Mammoth Protection Force against Israel. Tune into radio tomorrow for more on this development.

http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/2011/march/glenn-beck-show-march-24-2011-is-america-on-the-wrong-side/
 

Steve

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while I will not argue with the idea that Israel is in the muslim worlds cross hairs.. , while undermining Israel might have been the administrations' agenda, I doubt it was our military's..

consider this thought... few in our military like gadaffy.. he is a unpredictable unstable threat with a strong well equipped" army


or at least he was until we used the UN no fly zone crap as cover and bombed the "well equipped" part of his army into a pile smoldering scrap metal... :lol: :shock: :lol: so no matter who comes to power, they will not have access to a strong "well equipped" army..

effectively castrating the bastard.. now all that is left is a nice tidy third world prison cell for gadaffy and kin...
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
while I will not argue with the idea that Israel is in the muslim worlds cross hairs.. , while undermining Israel might have been the administrations' agenda, I doubt it was our military's..

consider this thought... few in our military like gadaffy.. he is a unpredictable unstable threat with a strong well equipped" army


or at least he was until we used the UN no fly zone crap as cover and bombed the "well equipped" part of his army into a pile smoldering scrap metal... :lol: :shock: :lol: so no matter who comes to power, they will not have access to a strong "well equipped" army..

effectively castrating the bastard.. now all that is left is a nice tidy third world prison cell for gadaffy and kin...


I guess the US weapons dealers will just have to re-arm them, with more money that is given to them by the US government. I bet they will be more than willing.

I think it was just a year ago that Libya was lent millions to "fight terrorism". Many of the terrorists they were supposed to fight are now called "rebels"

While President Obama calls Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi a threat to his own people, just one month before attacking Libya the president asked Congress to increase U.S. aid for Qaddafi's military to $1.7 million.

According to State Department figures, the money was earmarked to train Libyan military officers, improve its air force, secure its borders and to counter terrorism.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/24/did-qaddafi-deserve-funding-foreign-aid-scrutiny-amid-mideast-unrest/#ixzz1HfpySF3q



Libya isn't the only repressive Arab regime benefiting from U.S. military aid. Obama wants $120 million for Yemen next year, including $20 million for a military accused of brutally putting down a popular revolt, and $11 million to promote democracy and human rights, something critics say doesn't exist in Yemen.


Bolton and Poe agree that the roughly $50 billion U.S. taxpayers spend overseas needs an overhaul. Of 192 countries in the world, the U.S. gives aid to 174 -- including repressive regimes in Africa and the Middle East like those of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe and Omar al-Bashir in the Sudan; U.S. adversaries like Kim Jong Il in North Korea and Evo Morales in Bolivia; and countries like Russia and China.
 

Steve

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Bolton and Poe agree that the roughly $50 billion U.S. taxpayers spend overseas needs an overhaul. Of 192 countries in the world, the U.S. gives aid to 174 -- including repressive regimes in Africa and the Middle East like those of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe and Omar al-Bashir in the Sudan; U.S. adversaries like Kim Jong Il in North Korea and Evo Morales in Bolivia; and countries like Russia and China.

when I first heard John Bolten as considering a run for president, I cringed, thinking he could never win...

BUT,... Bolten is outspoken, he can and will say what many others deny, and he will shine a spotlight on some of the stupidity that goes on behind closed doors..
 

Faster horses

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"Bolten is outspoken, he can and will say what many others deny, and he will shine a spotlight on some of the stupidity that goes on behind closed doors.."


:agree:

I like him and I always try and listen when he is on television.
He is a stand-up kind of guy. He doesn't worry about being
politically correct which is refreshing.
 
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