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Obama Admires Lincoln?

Mike

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Lincoln and the Death of the Old Republic
By Joseph E. Fallon

Official history venerates Abraham Lincoln as an apostle of American democracy who waged war on the South to preserve the Union and free the slaves. Official history is a lie.

Lincoln was a dictator who destroyed the Old Republic and replaced the federal principles of 1789 with the ideological foundations of today's welfare/warfare state. His administration was characterized by paranoia, a lust for power, and rampant corruption. The magnitude of that paranoia was evidenced by Lincoln's secretary of war, Edwin M. Stanton, who declared that "Every department of the Government was paralyzed by treason."
"Traitors" were to be found in the Senate, in the House of Representatives, in the Cabinet, in the Federal Courts . . . Treason was flagrant in the revenue and in the post-office service, as well as in the Territorial governments and in the judicial reserves.

In his bid for absolute power, Lincoln used "treason" as a pretext to unleash war and shred the Constitution. Freedom of the press was curtailed. The Chicago Times was one of over 300 Northern newspapers suppressed for expressing "incorrect" views. As late as May 18, 1864, Lincoln ordered his military to "arrest and imprison . . . the editors, proprietors and publishers of the New York World and the New York Journal of Commerce."

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. He criminalized speech and legalized arbitrary arrests. Twenty thousand political prisoners were held incommunicado and denied legal counsel. Maryland's legislature was overthrown, and New York City was placed under military occupation.

In his December 1861 lectures in Boston and New York City, Northern abolitionist Wendell Phillips declared that "We live today, every one of us, under martial law. The Secretary of State puts into his bastile, with a warrant as irresponsible as that of Louis XIV, any man whom he pleases."

Lincoln's war against the South was not to preserve the Union from treasonous secessionists. Lincoln himself had championed the right of secession. In a speech before Congress on the Mexican-American War, he declared that "Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better."

Nor did Lincoln wage war against the South to emancipate black slaves. In his First Inaugural Address, on March 4, 1861, Lincoln emphatically declared: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

On September 11, 1861, Lincoln countermanded General Fremont's order freeing the slaves in Missouri. And on May 19, 1862, he countermanded General Hunter's order emancipating the slaves in Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina. On August 22, 1862, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley, declaring:

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

With the demise of the Confederacy nowhere in sight, however, Lincoln changed his position on emancipation. On September 13, 1862, Lincoln explained to a visiting delegation of clergy the purpose of his forthcoming Emancipation Proclamation: "I view this matter as a practical war measure, to be decided on according to the advantages or disadvantages it may offer to the suppression of the rebellion."

That the Emancipation Proclamation was "a practical war measure" can be seen in the fact that it did not free a single slave within the jurisdiction of the Union. The proclamation only declared that "all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforth, and forever free." Slavery remained legally protected in those slave states that stayed loyal to the Union--Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, and West Virginia--and in those portions of the Confederacy under Union occupation.

The Emancipation Proclamation was an act of military desperation designed to realize two goals. Lincoln hoped, first, to dissuade the British and the French governments from intervening militarily on behalf of the South. As Lincoln noted, the Emancipation Proclamation "would help us in Europe, and convince them that we are incited by something more than ambition." Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families. Lincoln justified this goal by asserting:

. . . I have a right to take any measure which may best subdue the enemy; nor do I urge objections of a moral nature, in view of possible consequences of insurrection and massacre at the South.

In issuing his Emancipation Proclamation as an incitement for a race war, Lincoln was continuing his policy of violating both the Constitution and international law. Food and medicine had already been declared contraband. Later, Lincoln issued "Instructions for the Government of Armies of the United States in the Field" (General Orders, No. 100, 1863), authorizing starvation and bombardment of Southern women and children.

Since the Emancipation Proclamation was "a practical war measure," its enforcement was determined by whether it advanced Lincoln's war effort. As a consequence, when Lincoln's Army arrived, "freed" Southern slaves often found themselves re-enslaved under the fiction of a one-year work contract. They could suffer a loss of pay or rations for acts of laziness, disobedience, or insolence and had to obtain a pass to leave the plantation. Provost marshals ensured that they displayed "faithful service, respectful deportment, correct discipline and perfect subordination."

Other "freed" Southern slaves found themselves forced to build installations and fortifications for Lincoln's Army or were violently conscripted.

In a May 1862 report, Secretary of the Treasury Salmon Chase was advised that

The negroes were sad . . . Sometimes whole plantations, learning what was going on, ran off to the woods for refuge . . . This mode of [enlistment by] violent seizure is repugnant.

As late as February 7, 1865, Lincoln wrote to Lieutenant Colonel Glenn, operating in Kentucky: "Complaint is made to me that you are forcing negroes into the military service, and even torturing them."

In The Plundering Generation, Ludwell H. Johnson summarized the real reasons for Lincoln's violent opposition to the South's independence:

Manufacturers feared the loss of American markets to a flood of cheap British goods pouring through a free-trade Confederacy; Northern shippers feared the loss of their monopoly of the coasting trade and their share of the trans-Atlantic carrying trade; merchants feared the loss of the profits they garnered as middlemen between the South and Europe; creditors feared the loss of Southern debts; the Old Northwest feared the loss or curtailment of the Mississippi trade; the Republicans feared the disintegration of their party should it let the South go and bring upon the North all of the consequences just mentioned.

Lincoln waged war on the South, however, to achieve more than preservation of the status quo. War was the means to establish the North's hegemony over the political and economic life of the United States. War offered Lincoln, his party, and Northern special interests a continental empire to exploit. And they did so with ruthless abandon.

In the North, Lincoln's Congress imposed excise taxes on virtually all items; raised the protective tariff to the highest level in the country's history (under the Morrill Act of 1861); issued paper currency (Legal Tender Act of 1862); awarded Northern railroad companies government loans and extensive land grants (Pacific Railway Act of 1862); unilaterally repealed Indian land claims; promoted settlement of Western lands by Northerners (Homestead Act of 1862); effectively "nationalized" the country's financial institutions (National Banking Acts of 1863 and 1864); and furnished Northern businesses with cheap labor (Contract Labor Law of 1864).

In the South, Congress authorized the theft of tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars worth of Southern property (Confiscation Acts of 1861 and 1862, Direct Tax Act of 1862, and Captured and Abandoned Property Act of 1863). The cotton, alone, that the North stole has been conservatively valued at $100 million.

This legalized robbery was in addition to the plundering by Lincoln's Army. In December 1864, Sherman wrote, "I estimate the damage done to the State of Georgia . . . at $100,000,000; at least $20,000,000 of which has inured to our advantage, and the remainder is simple waste and destruction."

With Lincoln came the wholesale corruption of the political system. In 1864, Edward Bates, Lincoln's attorney general, lamented that "the demoralizing effect of this civil war is plainly visible in every department of life. The abuse of official powers and thirst for dishonest gain are now so common that they cease to shock."

As Henry S. Olcott, special investigator for the U.S. War and Navy Departments, revealed in The War's Carnival of Fraud (1878), "at least twenty, if not twenty-five, percent of the entire expenditures of the government during the Rebellion, were tainted with fraud." Later estimates put the level of fraud involving Army contracts at 50 percent.

Such institutional corruption defines the post-constitutional America that Lincoln created. The destruction of the Old Republic ensured the entrenchment of a permanent kleptocracy. That is Lincoln's legacy. Since 1861, the United States has had a government of special interests, by special interests, and for special interests, dedicated to the proposition that their power and profits "shall not perish from the earth."
 

VanC

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Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families.

Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?
 

Mike

Well-known member
VanC said:
Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families.

Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?

I guess you don't know about all the women who were rounded up and marched north that never made it back home either?

It's all in the "Official Record". For those that want the truth..
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
VanC said:
Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families.

Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?

You know, Van, I really don't mind the back and forth between liberals and conservatives on here and other forums. Ideological battles are good for the brain.

But in this place, the issue seems to be much more about people with some degree of tolerance, whether liberal or conservative, having to call out bigots.

And thanks for doing so.
 

VanC

Well-known member
Mike said:
VanC said:
Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families.

Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?

I guess you don't know about all the women who were rounded up and marched north that never made it back home either?

It's all in the "Official Record". For those that want the truth..

Who's official record? The truth according to who? I'll ask you again- what's the purpose in posting crap like this?
 

alice

Well-known member
Anybody named Van rocks! We disagree, Van...you bet we do! But, I've always thought of you as a decent, intelligent human being...boy oh boy, you just verified that.

We will continue to disagree, and that's ok...in fact that's crucial.

Alice
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
VanC said:
Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families.

Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?
:) VanC....your an honorable man!!
 

alice

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
VanC said:
Second, Lincoln hoped to incite slaves to murder defenseless white women and children on the farms and in the cities of the Confederacy in the expectation that the Confederate army would disintegrate as soldiers abandoned the field to return home to save the lives of their families.

Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?
:) VanC....your an honorable man!!

He is indeed...

Alice
 

Silver

Well-known member
Mike said:
On August 22, 1862, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley, declaring:

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

Actually, there is a bit more to that letter:

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." ... My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.
 

Mike

Well-known member
VanC said:
Mike said:
VanC said:
Can't speak for Obama, but I admire Lincoln and I'll tell everybody right now that the above quote is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Where does this Fallon guy get his information, the tooth fairy?

Lincoln was no saint, and a lot of things happened in that war that shouldn't have, just like in any other war. There were atrocities committed on both sides, just like any other war. If this Fallon guy were half the "historian" he wants to be he'd tell both sides of the story. Instead, he feeds us a bunch of crap that serves only one purpose- to incite hatred and bitterness over something that happen a freaking century and a half ago. He's no better than the idiots that want reparations for slavery.

What's the purpose in posting this crap, Mike?

I guess you don't know about all the women who were rounded up and marched north that never made it back home either?

It's all in the "Official Record". For those that want the truth..

Who's official record? The truth according to who? I'll ask you again- what's the purpose in posting crap like this?

If you do not know of, nor have you read the "Official Record" of the War of Northern Aggression...... or Civil War, as as some call it, then very plainly you know very little about the events leading up to; after; and during it.

History shows Lincoln as the great preserver of the Union, and a great President in general....but nothing could be further from the truth.

Just google "Sherman Atrocities" and read about his ideology on "Total War" against the South. Lincoln knew of his acts, ordered and condoned them in order to end the struggle at any cost.

It's as plain as day that history left out the corruption and the atrocities during Lincoln's administration, and it scares the heck out of me that so many others do not know the entire story....including Barack Obama and yourself.

A short list of books on the history of Lincoln, please feel free to click on them and become enlightened to true history:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/lincoln-arch.html
 

Silver

Well-known member
I'm not enamoured with Lincoln myself, but it looks to me like some people have went to great lengths to put the worst possible spin on the man.
Who actually attacked who first?
 
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