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Obama already meeting leaders without precondition

badaxemoo

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This might anger some that were critical of Obama's promise to meet with leaders of aggressive nations without preconditions - in this case a leader who approved of torture and and violated international law by employing pre-emptive warfare:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/11/obama_to_get_his_first_look_at_1.php
 
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Anonymous

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in this case a leader who approved of torture and and violated international law by employing pre-emptive warfare:

:lol: :lol: :lol: And a leader who in world polls was more hated and less respected than Adumajug or Putin.... :wink: :lol:
 

fff

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I liked this one. Something like:

Just as Dick Cheney predicted, people are dancing in the streets, rejoicing in their freedom. The difference is that it's the streets of American cities.
 

Mike

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Obama will very disappointed to find out that the president can make no laws nor spend a dime of U.S. money without congressional approval.

Then again, maybe he won't....................................
 

fff

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Mike said:
Obama will very disappointed to find out that the president can make no laws nor spend a dime of U.S. money without congressional approval.

Then again, maybe he won't....................................

No, but he can take restrictions off how money is spent. I hear one of his first orders will be to remove restrictions to allow abortion counseling by planned parenthood organizations. And that he's removing restrictions on stem cell research.
 

Steve

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fff said:
Mike said:
Obama will very disappointed to find out that the president can make no laws nor spend a dime of U.S. money without congressional approval.

Then again, maybe he won't....................................

No, but he can take restrictions off how money is spent. I hear one of his first orders will be to remove restrictions to allow abortion counseling by planned parenthood organizations. And that he's removing restrictions on stem cell research.

Just another closed door secret hidden from the public administration that you and OT whined about so much.. yet now you applaud the closed door back room deals? :roll:
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
in this case a leader who approved of torture and and violated international law by employing pre-emptive warfare:

:lol: :lol: :lol: And a leader who in world polls was more hated and less respected than Adumajug or Putin.... :wink: :lol:

Says who besides you?????
 

badaxemoo

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
in this case a leader who approved of torture and and violated international law by employing pre-emptive warfare:

:lol: :lol: :lol: And a leader who in world polls was more hated and less respected than Adumajug or Putin.... :wink: :lol:

Says who besides you?????

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/world-trusts-ahmadinejad-more-than-bush-to-do-the-right-thing-regarding-world-affairs/

I'm not real fond of either of them, and I'm not sure how accurate the poll was, but the result doesn't surprise me.

Nobody likes a bully. Especially a big strong one.

I think our standing in world opinion can be salvaged by a succesful Obama presidency.
 

TexasBred

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badaxemoo said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: And a leader who in world polls was more hated and less respected than Adumajug or Putin.... :wink: :lol:

Says who besides you?????

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/world-trusts-ahmadinejad-more-than-bush-to-do-the-right-thing-regarding-world-affairs/

I'm not real fond of either of them, and I'm not sure how accurate the poll was, but the result doesn't surprise me.

Nobody likes a bully. Especially a big strong one.

I think our standing in world opinion can be salvaged by a succesful Obama presidency.

Doesn't appear to be very scientific. I wouldn't worry too much about the world. The president deals with "world leaders".
 
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Anonymous

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GW issued over 1000 "signing statements" ( the most ever by a huge amount) where he signed a law instead of vetoing it- but then said he refused to enforce parts of it- picking and choosing only the parts he wanted to.... :(

The most memorable to me is when after twice passing the law ( and the second time by a huge majority) to stop Mexican trucks from access into the US and having free run of the country- Bush signed a "signing statement" refusing to enforce it....

This refusal to enforce the law has badly damaged or in many cases bankrupt US trucking firms or independent truckers who operated near the border- as when the fuel prices increased and the Mexican trucks were allowed to compete against them using Mexican government subsidized fuel... :( :mad:

GW's Arrogant "I know better than anyone" rules like that one need to be overturned....
 
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What I thought was funny today was news pundit Jack Cafferty's comment while they showed Obama and Bush meeting... He said "this reminded him of the Jeffersons meeting with Archie Bunker !"

A fitting description of GW Bush. :wink: :lol: :p
 

VanC

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fff said:
Mike said:
Obama will very disappointed to find out that the president can make no laws nor spend a dime of U.S. money without congressional approval.

Then again, maybe he won't....................................

No, but he can take restrictions off how money is spent. I hear one of his first orders will be to remove restrictions to allow abortion counseling by planned parenthood organizations. And that he's removing restrictions on stem cell research.

I sure hope so. The last thing we need in these tough times is for our supply of dead babies to drop. Abortion counseling? Is this what you're talking about?

Planned Parenthood’s obscene profits
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyrights 2008

GOP presidential candidate John McCain sounded more like a Democrat presidential candidate (a recurring trend) when he joined the Left’s oil industry-bashers a few weeks ago. Asked by a North Carolina voter whether he supported a Jimmy Carter-era windfall profits tax, McCain responded: “Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere–and I’d be glad to look not just at the windfall profits tax–that’s not what bothers me–but we should look at any incentives that we are giving to people or industries or corporations that are distorting the market.”

Here’s an idea for all the hand-wringing GOP strategists in Washington wondering what it will take to win back disgusted economic and social conservatives: How about a Republican presidential candidate who will talk about the tax-subsidized abortion industry the way McCain talks about oil industry?

In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.

And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006.

Oil execs, tobacco execs, banking execs, pharmaceutical company execs, and baseball players have all been hauled up before Congress for highly-publicized whippings by crusading lawmakers. But the executives of Planned Parenthood have escaped government scrutiny and public accountability for their predatory behavior, dangerous medical practices, deception, and deadly windfall.

In Washington, D.C., the family of 13-year-old Shantese Butler filed a $50 million suit against Planned Parenthood after a botched abortion left the girl permanently injured and infertile. Students for Life of America reports that Shantese was left with “severe abdominal bleeding, severe vaginal injury, severe injury to the cervix, significant uterine perforation, and a small bowel tear.” In addition, parts of the unborn child were found inside Shantese’s abdomen.

In Nebraska, Planned Parenthood refused to disclose the terms of a settlement with another victim whose botched abortion resulted in a perforated uterus, massive blood loss, an emergency hysterectomy, permanent infertility, seizures, and lifelong pain and suffering. According to the suit obtained by Life News, the woman told the abortionist and his assistants to stop, but was told: “We can’t stop.” The Planned Parenthood employees held her down to complete the procedure.

Where’s the subpoena-wielding Henry Waxman? Can Orrin Hatch (CORRECTION: ARLEN SPECTER) spare a moment from investigating the New England Patriots for a second to probe Planned Parenthood’s efforts to advise underage teens on how to circumvent parental notification laws to secretly obtain RU-486, the abortion drug cocktail? Where is the concern for the women and children who were mistreated by Planned Parenthood clinics in Kansas, where Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline has filed a 107-count criminal complaint against the abortion racket with charges ranging from falsifying documents to performing illegal late-term abortions?

And where are Nancy Pelosi and the For The Children brigade to investigate the shocking evidence of Planned Parenthood’s nefariousness exposed by undercover student journalist Lila Rose?

Last year, Rose caught a Planned Parenthood official encouraging a female minor to evade statutory rape laws in order to obtain an abortion in California. In February, Rose released undercover tapes of her discussion with an Idaho Planned Parenthood official eager to accept money from a racist donor who wanted his funds earmarked for aborting black babies. In April, she released video of clinic officials in New Mexico and Oklahoma willing to take money from a blatantly racist donor. One Planned Parenthood staffer openly admits that “for whatever reason, we’ll accept the money.”

For whatever reason, Washington has turned a blind bipartisan eye to this bloody, government-funded business—and pro-life, limited-government conservatives in the Beltway have gone along with subsidizing it. “Obscene profits” indeed.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Sandman said:
fff said:
Mike said:
Obama will very disappointed to find out that the president can make no laws nor spend a dime of U.S. money without congressional approval.

Then again, maybe he won't....................................

No, but he can take restrictions off how money is spent. I hear one of his first orders will be to remove restrictions to allow abortion counseling by planned parenthood organizations.

And that he's removing restrictions on stem cell research.

You are one sick puppie to let this get your jollies for you. I wonder just how many times your parents or your husband have wished they would have aborted you. Don't worry though there is a special place reserved for the likes of you. I would even bet the care taker there wishes you had been aborted :!:
Pretty disgusting way for a suppossed minister to talk.I hate abortion but your as much a terrorist as the abortion clinic bombers are. :mad:
 

leanin' H

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A lot of ya on here sure get angry and hateful and disgusting over a political disagreement! Why can't ya just disagree without heading for the gutter? Maybe you ARE politicians! :!:
 

badaxemoo

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TexasBred said:
Doesn't appear to be very scientific. I wouldn't worry too much about the world. The president deals with "world leaders".

Don't worry about the world?

Is that a one-line summation of neo-conservative foreign policy?

It might not be stylish on this forum, but as a citizen of Earth, I worry about the rest of the world.

I've traveled in places that are supposedly "hostile" to America, and have found that the people there have generally still been able to differentiate between the American people and the American government - but I'm not sure that would have lasted through a few more years of Bush or Bush-Lite foreign policy.

There is a reason that Obama's election was nearly universally hailed worldwide and it's one of the things that compelled me to vote for him.
 

leanin' H

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Here's a little thing to ponder for you liberals>>>>> You really, really, really dislike and are ashamed of President Bush and his admin, correct? You do not agree with his policies, his record and his presidency ,right? NOW YOU NOW EXACTLY HOW A LOT OF US CONSERVATIVES FEEL ABOUT PRES. ELECT OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

badaxemoo

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Mrs.Greg said:
Sandman said:
fff said:
No, but he can take restrictions off how money is spent. I hear one of his first orders will be to remove restrictions to allow abortion counseling by planned parenthood organizations.

And that he's removing restrictions on stem cell research.

You are one sick puppie to let this get your jollies for you. I wonder just how many times your parents or your husband have wished they would have aborted you. Don't worry though there is a special place reserved for the likes of you. I would even bet the care taker there wishes you had been aborted :!:
Pretty disgusting way for a suppossed minister to talk.I hate abortion but your as much a terrorist as the abortion clinic bombers are. :mad:

Sandman is a minister?

I didn't know that Dipshitism was an organized religion!
 

leanin' H

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badaxemoo said:
TexasBred said:
Doesn't appear to be very scientific. I wouldn't worry too much about the world. The president deals with "world leaders".

Don't worry about the world?

Is that a one-line summation of neo-conservative foreign policy?

It might not be stylish on this forum, but as a citizen of Earth, I worry about the rest of the world.

I've traveled in places that are supposedly "hostile" to America, and have found that the people there have generally still been able to differentiate between the American people and the American government - but I'm not sure that would have lasted through a few more years of Bush or Bush-Lite foreign policy.

There is a reason that Obama's election was nearly universally hailed worldwide and it's one of the things that compelled me to vote for him.

So vote for Obama as your president of the world! It amazes me how quick you are to throw away the freedoms and priviledges that come with America! Sure we are part of this planet but we are OUR OWN NATION! Founded upon principles and ideals that make us different! You'd like to submit to an outside influence and lose what makes us strong and FREE!
 

badaxemoo

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leanin' H said:
badaxemoo said:
TexasBred said:
Doesn't appear to be very scientific. I wouldn't worry too much about the world. The president deals with "world leaders".

Don't worry about the world?

Is that a one-line summation of neo-conservative foreign policy?

It might not be stylish on this forum, but as a citizen of Earth, I worry about the rest of the world.

I've traveled in places that are supposedly "hostile" to America, and have found that the people there have generally still been able to differentiate between the American people and the American government - but I'm not sure that would have lasted through a few more years of Bush or Bush-Lite foreign policy.

There is a reason that Obama's election was nearly universally hailed worldwide and it's one of the things that compelled me to vote for him.

So vote for Obama as your president of the world! It amazes me how quick you are to throw away the freedoms and priviledges that come with America! Sure we are part of this planet but we are OUR OWN NATION! Founded upon principles and ideals that make us different! You'd like to submit to an outside influence and lose what makes us strong and FREE!

Caring about how our foreign policy affects our neighbors doesn't at all mean we have to abandon our principles. Where exactly are you reading that?

In fact, from a purely pragmatic view, it's in our own self-interest to do so.

Being a bully doesn't make a nation strong and free in the long run.
 

leanin' H

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Exactly who did we bully badaxemoo? A dictator who killed thousands of his own people? Who supported terrorists? Who starved his people while living high on the hog on oil money? And the Taliban who were worse? We lost thousands on 9-11 and declared war on terror! Should we of felt bad for Bin laden and offered him a bailout? Should we allowed Sadam to become the next Hitler? We stood up for ourselves AFTER being attacked! How in the heck does that make America a bully? I think you need to listen to your argument as it is awful weak and irrational! You cannot continue to be a free and strong nation if you are lead by the opinions of others from other nations! Which direction would Hugo Chavez lead us? Putin? Castro? Iran? North Korea? Would that be in the best interests of you and your family? Standing up for what is right isnt being a bully!
 
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