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obama buys a prison

hypocritexposer

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President Obama on Monday will propose a $3.8-trillion fiscal 2011 federal budget that includes $237 million for the purchase and upgrading of a prison in Illinois to house detainees now at the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba.

Obama sends his spending blueprint to Congress, with the money to buy the nearly vacant Thomson Correctional Center in northwest Illinois, 150 miles west of Chicago, in the Department of Justice funding request. The State of Illinois and the federal government are currently negotiating over the purchase price of Thomson.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/02/obama_budget_to_include_237_mi.html
 

Faster horses

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I don't know how the rest of you feel, but I DEFINITELY do not want
my tax dollars to go to restore an Illinois prison to house terrorists.

And 150 miles west of Chicago? I wonder which one of his buddies
will fleece us on this project??? Don't you find the proximity to Chicago
to be more than a coincidence?

I think the prisoners should all still be in Gitmo. Obama and Gitmo has
haunted us and it will haunt us til he 'sees the light' or someone
else has HIS power. And that can't happen too soon for me. :x
 

Liveoak

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Oh c'mon FH! It's not all bad!

The Illinois prison was pretty much empty, right? But still state-of-the-art and had already been funded by federal $'s. Why not use it? I like the Gitmo idea simply because we can get away with torturing the terrorists without much Humane Society Overtwatch but the Illinois deal would get some much needed cash flow going in the area. That can't be all bad!
 

Steve

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Liveoak said:
Oh c'mon FH! It's not all bad!

The Illinois prison was pretty much empty, right? But still state-of-the-art and had already been funded by federal $'s. Why not use it? I like the Gitmo idea simply because we can get away with torturing the terrorists without much Humane Society Overtwatch but the Illinois deal would get some much needed cash flow going in the area. That can't be all bad!

it would be cheaper to build a dormitory in Gitmo for the lawyers, and human rights people to visit the terrorists.. in fact let them stay in the same accommodations... so they can get a first hand look at how the prisoners are treated..

the security at Gitmo can't be replicated at any other US site.. (except maybe Diego Garcia? (BIOT) ) so why throw out the baby with the bath water... re-invent the wheel?

can anyone honestly say our image has improved with the terrorists since Obama began his appeasement tour?
 

Faster horses

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For $237 million that we don't have?

NO THANKS.

I lived in Deer Lodge Mt., home of the Mt. State Prison. I saw what happens there. Those places
might have bars on the doors, but it's far from punishment. We called
the prison "the Deer Lodge Hotel". Until you've lived around one,
you cannot imagine what goes on. When they had the riot there in
the 80's (not sure when, so don't hold me to the date) we had a
relative that worked there. There was so much blood and guts
to clean up after the riot, the media was not allowed in until the
mess was cleaned up. How ridiculous. Why not let the world see
what happened??? And then you have the ACLU... :shock: Believe
me, they are not on the side of RIGHT. :x

The prisoners have access to a library, they can buy stuff from the local stores and have it brought to them...they can have their families close...
and on county welfare...oh yea, it's really tough to be a prisoner these
days. Now a southern prison, I think, is a different story.

Steve, I agree with you. Totally.
 

hypocritexposer

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obama is being a little presumptuous. To spend the money on the prison before Congress has approved moving the prisoners to the US.

And I agree to spend money to try to duplicate the prison at Gitmo and then leave it empty, does not make financial sense.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
obama is being a little presumptuous. To spend the money on the prison before Congress has approved moving the prisoners to the US.

And I agree to spend money to try to duplicate the prison at Gitmo and then leave it empty, does not make financial sense.

it is an easy out for Obama... if they cut it from his budget plan,.. he can "blame" the republicans... for not allowing him to fulfill his plan and promise to shut Gitmo... thus pleasing his base ..

if the republicans let the dems vote first on the issue... and if enough vote to pull funding.. then it will be a slap in the face for Obama.. and he will only have himself to blame.. (but I am not holding my breath waiting for the republicans to be patient and see how it plays out))
 
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Anonymous

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One can only wonder if the articles below are not reason enough to rethink the Illinois prison.



PIOUS MUSLIM CHAPLAIN ARRESTED FOR SMUGGLING BOX CUTTERS INTO PRISON

The prisons have become as holy as the mosque in the recruitment of jihadis. These are breeding grounds for soldiers for allah, much like the mosques and the madrassas.

Muslim chaplain 'smuggled' box cutters into jail By REUVEN BLAU and DAN MANGAN NY Post

A Muslim chaplain for the city Department of Correction was arrested this morning for allegedly trying to smuggle in three box-cutters to a lower Manhattan jail.

The imam, Imam Zul-Qarnain Shahid, has worked as a DOC jail chaplain for three years, according to department sources.

Several sources said Shahid was caught this morning attempting to bring three box-cutters into the jail known as the Tombs during a visit there. It was not known why he was visiting the jail.

What is interesting (!) is what follows - the writers bring in a totally unrelated "Rabbi" story.

A DOC chaplain assigned to the Tombs – politically connected rabbi Leib Glanz – resigned last year after The Post exclusively revealed that he had organized a bar mitzvah party within the jail’s walls for the son of an inmate. The bar mitzvah featured catered food and a live band, as well as dozens of non-inmate guests.

WTF does that have to do with Islamic terror?

UPDATE: Howard adds:

"Not only does the writer try to equate a rabbi having a bar mitzvah in a jail to an imam smuggling box-cutters into jail, but the bar mitzvah he referred to occured in December, 2008, and the rabbi resigned in June, 2009. The box-cutter incident occured this morning. The article makes it sound like both events occured around the same time. This not just stretching moral equivalence, but the time-space continuum, as well."

Exactly. The reporters must be sucking this kool-aid.
The Society of Professional Journalists: Why We Never Get the Straight Story on Islamic Jihad
Posted by Pamela Geller Jan 18th 2010 at 6:37 pm in Featured Story, Islam, Mainstream Media, Military, News, media bias | Comments (93)
In case you’ve ever wondered why you never got the straight story on Islam directly after Sept. 11, and still haven’t, and why the media seems in the tank for jihad, here’s a clue.
The Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) issued this directive a couple of weeks after 9/11; for sheer propaganda, their “Diversity Guidelines” are hard to beat. In fact, the enemy who attacked our country in an attempt to bring it down may just as well have been writing the narrative.
The “guidelines,” adopted at the Society’s national convention on October 6, 2001, urges journalists to “take steps against racial profiling in their coverage of the war on terrorism and to reaffirm their commitment to use language that is informative and not inflammatory.”

How? Among other things:
Seek out people from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds when photographing Americans mourning those lost in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.
Seek out experts on military strategies, public safety, diplomacy, economics and other pertinent topics who run the spectrum of race, class, gender and geography.
Regularly seek out a variety of perspectives for your opinion pieces. Check your coverage against the five Maynard Institute for Journalism Education fault lines of race and ethnicity, class, geography, gender and generation.
Translation: even if the horror, murder and bloodshed of jihad are inflammatory, don’t tell the people.
There’s more.
To deflect attention away from the Islamic character of jihad, reporters should “portray Muslims, Arabs and Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans in the richness of their diverse experiences.”
Portray the beheaders, the homicide bombers, and the infiltrators in the “richness of their diverse experience”? You mean the stonings, amputations, sharia law, clitorectomies, Jew-hatred, Hindu-hatred, the brutal conquests of India and Persia, the caliphate? Of course not!

Journalists should “make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.” In other words, make an extra effort to depict Muslims not engaged in jihad.
Above all, don’t talk about the Islamic aspect of terror attacks, especially right after they happen:
Avoid using terms such as ‘jihad’ unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of ‘jihad’ is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself…Avoid using word combinations such as ‘Islamic terrorist’ or ‘Muslim extremist’ that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity. Be specific: Alternate choices, depending on context, include ‘Al Qaeda terrorists’ or, to describe the broad range of groups involved in Islamic politics, ‘political Islamists.’ Do not use religious characterizations as shorthand when geographic, political, socioeconomic or other distinctions might be more accurate.”
Who cares if the jihadis call themselves Muslims and say they’re fighting for Islam? Celebrate diversity!
The SPJ continues: “Do not represent Arab Americans and Muslims as monolithic groups. Avoid conveying the impression that all Arab Americans and Muslims wear traditional clothing.” And “when describing Islam,” the guidelines continue, “keep in mind there are large populations of Muslims around the world, including in Africa, Asia, Canada, Europe, India and the United States. Distinguish between various Muslim states; do not lump them together as in constructions such as ‘the fury of the Muslim world.’”
And yet Obama does.

The “Islamic world” does. The ummah – a word you often hear in Muslim discourse — is the worldwide community of Muslims, regardless of national origin.
Instead, journalists should focus on largely imaginary backlash: “cover the victims of harassment, murder and other hate crimes as thoroughly as you cover the victims of overt terrorist attacks.” And so the media dutifully covered the bogus tales of “harassment” just days after 3,000 Americans were brutally murdered by Muslims on our own soil. The same thing happened after the Fort Hood massacre.
The SPJ is telling journalists to throw Americans under the bus and kiss the adherents to the Islamic ideology that murdered our people and want to take over this country.
Then, of course, they reach for the cheap moral equivalent: “When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.” There aren’t any — except maybe three in an outhouse somewhere in Appalachia. But not to worry: make it up, or pull the Unabomber out of your hat, and Timothy McVeigh while you’re at it, too.
Just how long has the Muslim Brotherhood been strategizing the takedown and take over of the U.S. and the West? Decades.
And while we have no coherent strategy for fighting the enemy — hell, we can’t even name them — they have a war plan that is so detailed and exact that every t is crossed and every i dotted. That we are not fighting back effectively is, in large part, because the Society of Professional Journalists is doing its best to make sure no one knows there is a war on. As Osama bin Laden himself said in 1998:
On that basis, and in compliance with God’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, “and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,” and “fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God.”
We — with God’s help — call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan’s U.S. troops and the devil’s supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
 

Larrry

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Some of my liberal friends tell me I need to give odumbo some more time. I kinda agree with them, lets say maybe twenty five years. Wouldn't it be ironic if he got to serve it in his very own prison. :)
 
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