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Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry

cutterone

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How comfortable would you be if the US took a position that we would have no Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force.? After all - the threat of violence and weapons only becons more violence. :shock: :lol:
Do you really think all those criminals and other terrorists would lay down all their weapons if we would and we would all drink kool aid together? :roll:
 

Mike

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When you live out in some of the places like some of us do...." OnStar " and the other Road side Assistance programs are useless.

I know for me...the nearest RoadSide help is over 2 hrs away in Atlanta!!
So what good is that? I can have the tire changed myself or have someone come and get me by the time it would take for RSA to arrive.

Whenever I buy a new car...I refuse to have that "service" added as it's useless to me.

I was riding with a beer drinking buddy last year after he had bought a new pickup with "Onstar".

Anyway, we got lost (with the help of a very smooth single-malt scotch)about 2 counties over. He called Onstar for help to get us out of there.

The girl said. "Mr. Hill, we have no idea where you are. Your truck seems to be evading our satellite coverage."

He shot back, "I didn't pay extra for the STEALTH package, ma'am".

She hung up.
 

Larrry

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Why do we have people that are more worried about law abiding citizen who are only using their "right" to carry a gun for protection than a thug who packs a gun with the sole purpose of causing harm to society?
Why do some people think that once a law abiding citizen starts to carry a gun he is a crazed lunatic?
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
More important is .did you have "on star" to call for assitance..?

I am to paranoid to have OnStar, I may want to take my gun and shoot someone some day and then on star could track my every move :lol:
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
More important is .did you have "on star" to call for assitance..?

I am to paranoid to have On Star, I may want to take my gun and shoot someone some day and then on star could track my every move :lol:
I'm paranoid about On star for a kinda the same reason...not going to kill anyone with a gun,but I'm really creeped out by the idea someone can track your every move.
 

kolanuraven

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Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
More important is .did you have "on star" to call for assitance..?

I am to paranoid to have On Star, I may want to take my gun and shoot someone some day and then on star could track my every move :lol:
I'm paranoid about On star for a kinda the same reason...not going to kill anyone with a gun,but I'm really creeped out by the idea someone can track your every move.


I don't have OnStar...but I do have all that funky GPS Navigation...man, I do love that for sure.

But it's got a sexy woman's voice telling you to ' turn right', or ' turn left'...... "you have reached your destination"

I told the dealer I wanted Sam Elliott or Tom Selleck's voice instead of some chick talking to me. He just looked at me and walked off!!!
 

Mrs.Greg

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kolanuraven said:
Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
I am to paranoid to have On Star, I may want to take my gun and shoot someone some day and then on star could track my every move :lol:
I'm paranoid about On star for a kinda the same reason...not going to kill anyone with a gun,but I'm really creeped out by the idea someone can track your every move.


I don't have OnStar...but I do have all that funky GPS Navigation...man, I do love that for sure.

But it's got a sexy woman's voice telling you to ' turn right', or ' turn left'...... "you have reached your destination"

I told the dealer I wanted Sam Elliott or Tom Selleck's voice instead of some chick talking to me. He just looked at me and walked off!!!
Greg has one of those too...that woman gets on my nerves,esp if we don't take the turn she thinks we should,saying Redirecting over and over,grrrrr. Now if it was Sam Elliotts voice....I'd be a driving mama,I'd say to him "Where we going today baby" :pretty: :pretty: :lol:
 

Mike

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Larrry said:
Why do we have people that are more worried about law abiding citizen who are only using their "right" to carry a gun for protection than a thug who packs a gun with the sole purpose of causing harm to society?
Why do some people think that once a law abiding citizen starts to carry a gun he is a crazed lunatic?

Very good point Larry. Everytime the topic comes up, some whacko starts it though. :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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If my wife could have Sam Elliot's voice talking to her, she would sleep in the car at night :(

She never has said anything about Tom Selleck's voice but I know he is at top of her wish list, all I ever hear about him is about that Mustache :(
 

CattleArmy

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aplusmnt said:
CattleArmy said:
leanin' H said:
I think if law abiding folks who get the proper traing want to defend themselves by carrying a legal concealed weapon, they have that right. If you don't, then you sure arent forced too. But why would you be against a father protecting his family, a mother protecting her virture or a grandmother defending her life? Criminals have guns. Criminals use them to committ crimes. Why not allow the option to atleast try to let people defend themselves if the situation dictates? Prosecute criminals including those who act in anger or stupidity while carrying a concealed pistol and let the rational, normal, legal citizens decide how and when they can defend their lives and the lives of others!

The problem in this being how many people are still rational when in a heated situation or feeling of having to defend oneself?

The problem also is that as with anything there are to many people that think they just automatically know all the answers or are fully trianed. Ok maybe if a person had to go through some kind of training /classes to carry a gun? But to just be able to walk around all over with a gun and for the other people not to know doesn't that put even a concealed gun carrier in the same group as the common criminal packing and nobody knowing?

You are arguing an argument that has already been proven wrong. Concealed carry is not a new concept, it is not something new on the table it has been around for a while and your paranoia has been proven false. People are safer in states that have conceal carry, done been proven!

You need to get up to speed, this debate has came and passed, there was no epidemic of killings due to conceal carry, actually crime fell.

I wouldn't have to argue if some didn't so deeply feel the need to tell me my opinion is wrong. :)
 

nonothing

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CattleArmy said:
aplusmnt said:
CattleArmy said:
The problem in this being how many people are still rational when in a heated situation or feeling of having to defend oneself?

The problem also is that as with anything there are to many people that think they just automatically know all the answers or are fully trianed. Ok maybe if a person had to go through some kind of training /classes to carry a gun? But to just be able to walk around all over with a gun and for the other people not to know doesn't that put even a concealed gun carrier in the same group as the common criminal packing and nobody knowing?

You are arguing an argument that has already been proven wrong. Concealed carry is not a new concept, it is not something new on the table it has been around for a while and your paranoia has been proven false. People are safer in states that have conceal carry, done been proven!

You need to get up to speed, this debate has came and passed, there was no epidemic of killings due to conceal carry, actually crime fell.

I wouldn't have to argue if some didn't so deeply feel the need to tell me my opinion is wrong. :)

Yes Aplus tends to know whats best for us all... :)
 

CattleArmy

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leanin' H said:
In Utah you are required to take a training class, be fingerprinted and have a background check before you get your permit. Do criminals have to do that? And remember that this debate isn't about you personally carrying a gun. It is about the rights of people to choose to carry. What makes me crazy are liberals that do not want to carry and forcing the rest of us to do the same. Now I don't know if you are a liberal and i'm not implying you are, but to me your arguement is flawed. You are either for gun rights or against them. Because when you start putting certain conditions on haveing or carrying a firearm, you are playing into the hands of the anti-gun radicals who want to ban everything including slingshots. If you are a law-abiding citizen with training, what is the problem? And for every wacko who runs out and gets a carry permit to be a tough guy, road-rage, little-mans-disease nutjob, how many folks get the permit and behave totally rational and normal? For every idiot, how many people defend themselves legally? Freedom equals choice. Choice brings responisbility. Responsilble choice equals options for success. Fear equals fear.

Great now I'm flawed. The things I don't learn about myself here. Here's the problem I have no problem with people owning rifles and using them for sporting. I am for people having the right to do this. It's as much a sport to some as rodeo, hockey or basketball.

I think their should be conditions on owning handguns and I doubt I will ever support carrying them concealed. I agree with fingerprinting for all guns. Running background checks. Making training mandatory. It's called being a responsible owner.

The argument about the criminals goes with everything they do. They don't get guns legally, they don't shop legally, they don't do legal things period.

I think it's my right to know who's got a gun. Yep I know no criminal is going to tell me they have one. But if a legal gun carrier is so legal why does it bother them I know they have one? I don't care if you are a supposed normal person packing or a criminal neither one do I feel safe knowing they have a gun.

Guns in your home that's your business as much as the ones in my home are mine. Out and about around me yep sorry fellas I don't think concealed is ok. It's my opinion.
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
cutterone said:
How comfortable would you be if the US took a position that we would have no Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force.? After all - the threat of violence and weapons only becons more violence. :shock: :lol:
Do you really think all those criminals and other terrorists would lay down all their weapons if we would and we would all drink kool aid together? :roll:

Did I EVER bring the military into this. I have two friends serving now and we at this place very much let our support be known. Cookies, letters, pictures, hunts on the place.

No I don't think all criminals and terrorists would lay down their weapons. However, I prefer to let the professionals handle them.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
CattleArmy said:
aplusmnt said:
You are arguing an argument that has already been proven wrong. Concealed carry is not a new concept, it is not something new on the table it has been around for a while and your paranoia has been proven false. People are safer in states that have conceal carry, done been proven!

You need to get up to speed, this debate has came and passed, there was no epidemic of killings due to conceal carry, actually crime fell.

I wouldn't have to argue if some didn't so deeply feel the need to tell me my opinion is wrong. :)

Yes Aplus tends to know whats best for us all... :)

Your problem is I deal in realities not hypothetical. The reality is conceal carry has not caused mayhem and murder, it has caused a drop in crime. You and CattleArmy's problem is you do not like it when your hypothetical are showed wrong.

I have no idea what is best for you! Maybe it is best you do not own a gun, maybe you would be better off with a pink whistle hanging around your neck incase someone attacks you. But I know what is best for me and my family, and what is best for my country, and that is the freedom to own or not own a gun, and the freedom to have that in your possession when you choose or not to have it in your possession if you so chose.
 

CattleArmy

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
CattleArmy said:
I wouldn't have to argue if some didn't so deeply feel the need to tell me my opinion is wrong. :)

Yes Aplus tends to know whats best for us all... :)

Your problem is I deal in realities not hypothetical. The reality is conceal carry has not caused mayhem and murder, it has caused a drop in crime. You and CattleArmy's problem is you do not like it when your hypothetical are showed wrong.

I have no idea what is best for you! Maybe it is best you do not own a gun, maybe you would be better off with a pink whistle hanging around your neck incase someone attacks you. But I know what is best for me and my family, and what is best for my country, and that is the freedom to own or not own a gun, and the freedom to have that in your possession when you choose or not to have it in your possession if you so chose.

Excuse me? I think I've even admitted a time or two I wasn't right. I know one time I even said Texan made sense. :shock:

Aplus you have not shown me I am wrong until I concede and I have yet to do that with you.


Crap first I'm flawed and now I have a problem. :? Thank goodness I came to ranchers to have this pointed out to me.
 

aplusmnt

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CattleArmy said:
Great now I'm flawed. The things I don't learn about myself here. Here's the problem I have no problem with people owning rifles and using them for sporting. I am for people having the right to do this. It's as much a sport to some as rodeo, hockey or basketball.

I think their should be conditions on owning handguns and I doubt I will ever support carrying them concealed. I agree with fingerprinting for all guns. Running background checks. Making training mandatory. It's called being a responsible owner.

The argument about the criminals goes with everything they do. They don't get guns legally, they don't shop legally, they don't do legal things period.

I think it's my right to know who's got a gun. Yep I know no criminal is going to tell me they have one. But if a legal gun carrier is so legal why does it bother them I know they have one? I don't care if you are a supposed normal person packing or a criminal neither one do I feel safe knowing they have a gun.

Guns in your home that's your business as much as the ones in my home are mine. Out and about around me yep sorry fellas I don't think concealed is ok. It's my opinion.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but what we do on message boards is discuss, debate and defend our opinions in an open forum.

My problem with your opinion is that most times more than not, people with your opinion will vote accordingly to support it. If you think I should not be able to have a conceal carry permit and a candidate on state or federal election thinks the same as you, you may very well vote for them and in doing so you play a part in removing my rights based on your opinion.

As for why people have the right to keep their carrying of a weapon concealed that has already been explained a day or so ago on this thread.

I do not know what state you live in or rather they have a conceal carry but rest assured that if you do live in a state with a conceal carry that you are safer because of it. Even if your opinion is against it, you reap the benefit of people that do not share your opinion.
 

Larrry

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You stop at the gas and gutbomb store. A man starts to harass your kids and threatens them. You have maybe five seconds to decide what to do. Do You go inside and call the police. Or do you pull out your 9mm. Five seconds. What do you choose. Are you a level headed person and let your children be harmed or are you a loving parent that protects your kids? You choose.
 

CattleArmy

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aplusmnt said:
CattleArmy said:
Great now I'm flawed. The things I don't learn about myself here. Here's the problem I have no problem with people owning rifles and using them for sporting. I am for people having the right to do this. It's as much a sport to some as rodeo, hockey or basketball.

I think their should be conditions on owning handguns and I doubt I will ever support carrying them concealed. I agree with fingerprinting for all guns. Running background checks. Making training mandatory. It's called being a responsible owner.

The argument about the criminals goes with everything they do. They don't get guns legally, they don't shop legally, they don't do legal things period.

I think it's my right to know who's got a gun. Yep I know no criminal is going to tell me they have one. But if a legal gun carrier is so legal why does it bother them I know they have one? I don't care if you are a supposed normal person packing or a criminal neither one do I feel safe knowing they have a gun.

Guns in your home that's your business as much as the ones in my home are mine. Out and about around me yep sorry fellas I don't think concealed is ok. It's my opinion.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but what we do on message boards is discuss, debate and defend our opinions in an open forum.

My problem with your opinion is that most times more than not, people with your opinion will vote accordingly to support it. If you think I should not be able to have a conceal carry permit and a candidate on state or federal election thinks the same as you, you may very well vote for them and in doing so you play a part in removing my rights based on your opinion.

As for why people have the right to keep their carrying of a weapon concealed that has already been explained a day or so ago on this thread.

I do not know what state you live in or rather they have a conceal carry but rest assured that if you do live in a state with a conceal carry that you are safer because of it. Even if your opinion is against it, you reap the benefit of people that do not share your opinion.

Just clarifying so if it's been over a day ago nobody should post back when a post is directed at them? I just wanna make sure I understand the rules.
 

CattleArmy

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Larrry said:
You stop at the gas and gutbomb store. A man starts to harass your kids and threatens them. You have maybe five seconds to decide what to do. Do You go inside and call the police. Or do you pull out your 9mm. Five seconds. What do you choose. Are you a level headed person and let your children be harmed or are you a loving parent that protects your kids? You choose.

For the first time since I was dramatic and over reacted to being called a B**ch I think you've come the closest to me reacting and saying some very unflattering stuff. I won't cause evidentally you are one that supports harassment on these boards and I don't do that plus refuse to waste my time.....

Ask any woman on the boards bring up their kids or parenting and suddenly you are lower then dirt.
 

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