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Obama embraces states’ rights on auto emissions

hypocritexposer

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Nope, missed it.

While this is a great attempt, it will not reduce emissions on the whole, because there will be more vehicles on the road by then, that will make up the difference, in my opinion.

It's kinda like drinking 1% milk to cut down the fat, and then drinking twice as much!
 

hypocritexposer

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Not too mention, if cars get better gas mileage, people just drive more.

When gas prices were at their highest, consumption dropped 4%, so spending the money was of little concern.
 
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reader (the Second) said:
hypocritexposer said:
Nope, missed it.

While this is a great attempt, it will not reduce emissions on the whole, because there will be more vehicles on the road by then, that will make up the difference, in my opinion.

It's kinda like drinking 1% milk to cut down the fat, and then drinking twice as much!

You are correct. Obama is not doing enough yet. The new CAFE standard of 35 (up from 27) does not keep up with the increase in cars and driving. As some of you have rightly pointed out, there are cars with a CAFE of 65 in Europe made by U.S. auto manufacturers, but not sold in the U.S.

I think Obama should go further. We talked about this at lunch with some energy experts and they felt this was an area where he was not being advised as well as he could be.

Along with multifuel cars sold in Europe and Brazil also made by U.S. auto makers.....
 

hypocritexposer

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Along with multifuel cars sold in Europe and Brazil also made by U.S. auto makers.....

Now would be the time to get on with it. Looking to create jobs, building these systems would get that done. But it would cost a lot more than 800 billion!
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Along with multifuel cars sold in Europe and Brazil also made by U.S. auto makers.....

Now would be the time to get on with it. Looking to create jobs, building these systems would get that done. But it would cost a lot more than 800 billion!

I think the plan is the 800 million $ is just the kickoff money- that private enterprise can then take over...
 

Mike

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The following month the EPA officially denied California’s application, with the agency’s administrator, Stephen Johnson, saying that he wanted to avoid a “confusing patchwork of state rules.”

Making different cars to meet the standards imposed by the different states is a huge mistake.

The results will mirror the fiasco the EPA imposed on the oil companies of different mixtures of gasoline for each area of the U.S., which drives prices higher and creates different demand effects in every individual area.

This will drive the car manufacturers out of business for sure.

I well remember the push in the 1970's to lower so-called harmfull emissions by 10%. The results in the end caused the cars to use 10% MORE gasoline which produced the same net effect on pollution.

Richard Nixon created a monster in the EPA.
 

Steve

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R2
There are cars with a CAFE of 65 in Europe made by U.S. auto manufacturers, but not sold in the U.S.

and do the have the "same strict emissions? front impact ratings? So they are not allowed because the government has effectively banned them...

If you crave high gas mileage but aren’t a stickler about low emissions, then a European diesel-powered car will beat out a hybrid any day. The only problem: They are illegal in the US.

That's mostly because Europe’s high-mpg diesels lack the sophisticated and pricey after-treatment systems required to meet the latest US emissions standards. And carmakers have been unwilling to make them legal by passing emission and safety regulations, and marketing cars that are small but relatively expensive.
http://www.hybridcars.com/environment/lusting-europe-illegal-high-mpg-cars-25323.html

now with California opting for new higher emission standards... the likely hood of US getting better fuel economy is slim...
 

Steve

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FordHybridLg.jpg

http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/hydraulichybrid.html


no matter what they try to force upon us, the hybrid must be able to work.. this one might?



more reading:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/29/detroit-2008-preview-2009-ford-f-150-could-add-hydraulic-launch/
 

TexasBred

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A shame the automakers can no longer make the cars that people want and will buy. If I want to pay the fuel bill for 10 mpg it should be my right.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
hypocritexposer said:
Nope, missed it.

While this is a great attempt, it will not reduce emissions on the whole, because there will be more vehicles on the road by then, that will make up the difference, in my opinion.

It's kinda like drinking 1% milk to cut down the fat, and then drinking twice as much!

You are correct. Obama is not doing enough yet. The new CAFE standard of 35 (up from 27) does not keep up with the increase in cars and driving. As some of you have rightly pointed out, there are cars with a CAFE of 65 in Europe made by U.S. auto manufacturers, but not sold in the U.S.

I think Obama should go further. We talked about this at lunch with some energy experts and they felt this was an area where he was not being advised as well as he could be.

Those cars aren't over here for a reason, and you've only got your own party to blame for that.
 

TexasBred

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reader (the Second) said:
I just got my gas credit card bill. My daughter used my credit card on the trip out West. She drove across country alone in 3 1/2 days. I could not believe how inexpensive it was compared to my bills from 6 months ago.

You are also correct that we drive less when fuel is expensive and more when it's cheaper.

One thing that I thought was fascinating is how my local Cadillac dealer retuned and imported SmartCars last year and hit that market hard. Others imported Mini Coopers the year before. Someone is smart and entrepreneurial and wants to be successful versus be bailed out :)

Ever seen what one of those Mini Coopers look like after taking on a Peterbilt on the Interstate ?? Like jumping off the Golden Gate with an umbrella.
 

backhoeboogie

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TexasBred said:
reader (the Second) said:
I just got my gas credit card bill. My daughter used my credit card on the trip out West. She drove across country alone in 3 1/2 days. I could not believe how inexpensive it was compared to my bills from 6 months ago.

You are also correct that we drive less when fuel is expensive and more when it's cheaper.

One thing that I thought was fascinating is how my local Cadillac dealer retuned and imported SmartCars last year and hit that market hard. Others imported Mini Coopers the year before. Someone is smart and entrepreneurial and wants to be successful versus be bailed out :)

Ever seen what one of those Mini Coopers look like after taking on a Peterbilt on the Interstate ?? Like jumping off the Golden Gate with an umbrella.

Can you get Coopers with gooseneck hitches and trailer brake packages? What kind of gas mileage do they get pulling a G/N?
 

TexasBred

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backhoeboogie said:
TexasBred said:
reader (the Second) said:
I just got my gas credit card bill. My daughter used my credit card on the trip out West. She drove across country alone in 3 1/2 days. I could not believe how inexpensive it was compared to my bills from 6 months ago.

You are also correct that we drive less when fuel is expensive and more when it's cheaper.

One thing that I thought was fascinating is how my local Cadillac dealer retuned and imported SmartCars last year and hit that market hard. Others imported Mini Coopers the year before. Someone is smart and entrepreneurial and wants to be successful versus be bailed out :)

Ever seen what one of those Mini Coopers look like after taking on a Peterbilt on the Interstate ?? Like jumping off the Golden Gate with an umbrella.

Can you get Coopers with gooseneck hitches and trailer brake packages? What kind of gas mileage do they get pulling a G/N?

Boogie...we may be back to "leading our animals to market". hmmm.. maybe that's what our gov't wants. Limit our abilities to move around and operate as individuals.
 

Cal

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Levin criticizes emissions proposal
By: Manu Raju
January 26, 2009 02:44 PM EST

Michigan Sen. Carl Levin is pushing back on President Obama’s move that may open the door for California and other states to adopt stringent new emissions standards on motor vehicles.

Levin, a liberal Democrat but a fierce defender of his state’s auto industry, said he was assured in recent discussions with top Obama environment officials that the Environmental Protection Agency “does not begin with a foregone conclusion” that a waiver should be granted to the state so it can go beyond federal limits.

Levin was the first Democrat to speak out Monday afternoon, but his opposition may make other rust belt Democrats more comfortable criticizing President Obama's first major environmental initiative.

“I sure hope that is true, because a separate California standard will not only create the ‘confusing and patchwork set of standards’ that President Obama today implied he wanted to avoid, but also, as the California standard is currently drafted, it is discriminatory against U.S.-made vehicles of the same efficiency as the imports,” Levin said.

Obama on Monday broke sharply from his predecessor by requesting the EPA review a decision made by the Bush administration to deny the waiver request under the Clean Air Act.

The move has angered Republicans and lawmakers from auto-producing states, but environmentalists say it takes a giant step toward curbing global warming since other states could impose stricter rules if the waiver is granted.

“It is so refreshing to see that the president understands that science must lead the way,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer :roll: (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Environment and Public Works Committee.

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