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O'bama goes too far!!! Where's shrub bush when we need him?

littlejoe

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If this don't get the repups mobilized, I don't know what will!!!

WEST POINT (The Borowitz Report)—President Obama raised eyebrows with his West Point commencement address Wednesday by offering a defense of his controversial foreign-policy doctrine of not invading countries for no reason.



Conservative critics were taken aback by Obama’s speech, which was riddled with incendiary remarks about only using military force for a clearly identified and rational purpose.



Obama did not shy away from employing polarizing rhetoric, often using words such as “responsible” and “sensible” to underscore his message.



Harland Dorrinson, a fellow at the conservative think tank the Center for Global Intervention, said that he was “stunned” to see Obama “defend his failure to engage the United States in impulsive and random military adventures.”




“History tells us that the best way to earn respect around the world is by using your military in a totally unpredictable and reckless manner,” he said. “Today, President Obama showed once again that he doesn’t get it.”
 

hypocritexposer

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A new report from a special U.N. investigator says drone strikes have killed far more civilians than U.S. officials have publicly acknowledged – at least 400 in Pakistan and as many as 58 in Yemen – and chides the U.S. for failing to aid the investigation by disclosing its own figures.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/us-has-killed-far-more-civilians-drones-it-admits-says-f8C11413666
 

Traveler

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Less than 25% of the cadets stood when Obama entered, for tepid applause. I wonder what they liked best, his rules of engagement that are going to get some of them killed, or knowing the VA won't really take care of them properly when they get out unless a future Republican cleans house, or any number of his other scandals, or knowing Iran will have nuclear capability soon in all likelihood? What's not to like?
 

Traveler

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Charles Krauthammer said Wednesday on “Special Report with Bret Baier”that President Obama’s attempt to lay out his foreign policy vision during his commencement address at West Point was “literally pointless. It didn't have a point, it was a defensive speech.”

One day after he declared that all U.S. troops will be out of Afghanistan by 2016, Obama told the graduating cadets that "the landscape has changed" with the end of the war in Iraq. The president said that Wednesday’s graduating class would be the first class in nearly a decade that likely will not be deployed to a war zone.

“(While) I was worried about critics who think military intervention is the only way for America to avoid looking weak," he said, "just because we have the best hammer does not mean that every problem is a nail."

Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor, said the president’s speech was misguided.

“It was an answer to the chorus of criticism, even from his side of the aisle, that it's been a weak, leaderless, rudderless foreign policy, which it has been," he said. "I spoke to a member of Congress who was in the armed forces and he said there was a real pettiness and a personalization of this."

“This is a graduation speech for West Point," he said. "It was not a place where you -- you know, you want to be inspiring the future officers of America, it isn't a place to answer your critics or to go point by point against all the attacks on him. And he set out this ridiculous contrast between extreme isolationism on the one hand, and extreme, almost a caricature of intervention, on the other hand.”

In his speech, Obama also said there are those “interventionists from the left and right” who argue that “America's failure to act in the face of Syrian brutality or Russian provocations… invites escalating aggression in the future.”

Obama said he believed there was no military solution to the ongoing civil war in Syria, but he vowed that the United States would continue to support the Syrian people.

Krauthammer said that characterization missed the mark.

“There's not a person in America who's asking for boots on the ground in Syria or in Ukraine. In those places, people said show some rhetorical support, show some serious economic sanctions on Ukraine, give these people, all they're asking for is the weapons to defend themselves, which Obama has denied them, and in Syria it's led to 160,000 dead," he said. "So, I mean, he sets up straw man, he makes the argument and I think it was a very weak and defensive speech.”
 

hopalong

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You need to remember that Krauthammer reports real news junlike the comic that oldtimer/liljoe read to get informed bye :roll:
 

iwannabeacowboy

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I know this is satire, but the joke is actually on the writer and poster.

If they only knew all the locations that active military are being deployed currently and in the near future.

Funny stuff. :lol:

If they ever find out, I'm sure there will be another satire piece justifying the opposite of what they are trying to support at the moment.

That is some serious faith.
 
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iwannabeacowboy said:
I know this is satire, but the joke is actually on the writer and poster.

If they only knew all the locations that active military are being deployed currently and in the near future.

Funny stuff. :lol:

If they ever find out, I'm sure there will be another satire piece justifying the opposite of what they are trying to support at the moment.

That is some serious faith.


Helenan and former smokejumper honored for his secret Tibet missions with the CIA


May 27, 2014 1:40 pm • By MARGA LINCOLN Independent Record


HELENA — They were sworn to secrecy. In fact, they couldn’t use their real names. Their story went untold for more than 50 years.

Now, Ray Beasley and four of his smokejumper buddies from Montana and Idaho, were invited to Washington, D.C., and finally recognized for their secret CIA missions over Tibet in the 1950s and ’60s.

For the first time, Beasley has begun sharing his story with his family — most recently with two of his adult daughters during a visit at his home on Rimini Road this past week.

On May 5, Beasley was among those feted at a reception at the CIA Museum in Washington, D.C., to see the unveiling of a painting: “Khampa Airlift to Tibet.”

The work by Dru Blair, now on display in the museum, shows a C-130 transport flying into a valley of the Himalayans — dropping Tibetan parachutists and supplies — with the mountains bathed in light from the full moon. It commemorates the secret Tibetan missions.

With that invitation, Beasley has finally been able to talk about a chapter of his life he never before shared — not even with his wife and children.

The story begins when Beasley, who was 29 and a laid-off smokejumper in McCall, Idaho, got a phone call in 1959.

“Would you like a job that pays $850 a month?” the caller asked.

Soon, Beasley and a cowboy by the name of Tommy “Shep” Johnson, who would later become one of his close friends, were on their way to the nation’s capitol.

They had been “referred” by an insider to “The Company,” the term they used for the CIA.

That’s the only way you got into this line of work, Beasley said. This wasn’t a job that was advertised. They came looking for you.

Ray Beasley took on the alias Ray Barbon, a name that he sometimes struggled to remember. He almost missed a flight when he ignored an airport page before he realized it was for him.

“They told us only what we needed to know,” Beasley said.

Beasley was a “kicker” on CIA missions in Tibet, Laos and the Bay of Pigs invasion. He literally “kicked” the parachute-equipped supply boxes out of the transport aircraft as they circled their secret drop sites. He also helped “kick” out parachuted commandos and hooked up parachutes to the loads.

The Tibetan story, in many ways, begins in 1950 when China invaded the country of Tibet and, in 1951, marched into the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, forcing the government of the Dalai Lama to sign a so-called peace plan for the “liberation” of Tibet, according to a 2006 article from “Military History” magazine.

On March 17, 1959, the 14th Dalai Lama, His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, was spirited secretly out of the Lhasa and eventually into India. Tibetan resistance fighters trained by the CIA were among the group escorting him to India, according to the article. Three days later, when the Chinese discovered he had slipped away, they allegedly executed Lhasa civilians, whose bodies “were reportedly stacked like cordwood in the streets.”

Altogether, 259 Tibetans were secretly trained by the CIA at Camp Hale, Colorado, according to the article.

And it was Beasley and his fellow smokejumpers who were involved in dropping the trained Tibetan commandos back into Tibet along with pallets of weapons, supplies and radio equipment.

Tibet, at that time, was described as “near-mythical” and unknown to much of the world. Even Allen Dulles, the CIA director of the time, was reported to have trouble finding it on a map — thinking it was near Hungary.

Soon, Beasley and his buddies would be quite familiar with Tibet’s location, particularly the high mountainous region of the Himalayas where they made their secret runs on the nights of the full moon.

“Eisenhower was gung-ho to train the Tibetans at Camp Hale, Colorado,” said Beasley. But there was a slight complication. “They can’t speak English,” he said, “and we can’t talk to the Tibetans.”

Once Khampa commandos were trained, they were airdropped into Tibet — with cyanide pills strapped to their wrists, should they be caught.

“We were always ‘Romeo,’” Beasley said of the code name for their mission. “When we did these jobs, it was in the full moon and we flew right by Everest.”

“We were descending down to 13,000 to 15,000 feet (to fly over high-elevation drop sites). They marked it with a big ‘T’ with lights,” he said.

“We were allowed one pass,” he said. “We dropped the agents first,” followed by the parachuted pallets of supplies.

Beasley always carried a “blood chit,” a small piece of cloth offering a reward for returning him to the U.S. government, in case he was found or captured — if he ever had to exit the plane in an emergency or it was shot down.

In Beasley’s case, however, his Tibet adventures were totally airborne. He never stepped foot in Tibet.

“I’m just delighted the CIA honored him and the others,” said John Driscoll, a candidate for the U.S. House and a collector of smokejumper oral histories.

“Smokejumpers, because they are so skilled at parachute dropping and handling, were always in demand by the CIA,” he said.

“All these people kept their mouths shut,” he said. “There were only five of them left,” although at least a dozen had been involved in the Tibetan operation.

As far as Driscoll knows, 82 smokejumpers were involved with the CIA in some way. It’s something that is known in circles of smokejumpers out in the hills, he said, but not by the public. “I’m so pleased they are finally being recognized.”

In 1961, Beasley quit the CIA missions. “I wanted to get married,” he said. He’d been living out of a suitcase for three years.

When they weren’t flying, they were back at the base gambling and drinking, and he was sick of that.

To shake up the routine, Beasley took up snake collecting — that is, until he was called to remove a cobra from a wood pile.

“They had pissed him off,” said Beasley. “It was a spitting cobra. He hit me above the eyes,” temporarily blinding him. “That was the last snake hunting.”

Beasley had also become disillusioned with the CIA, particularly with how it treated some of its veterans.

When he came home, he went back to work for the U.S. Forest Service, winding up in Missoula, where he ran the textile lab and designed Nomex, a fire-resistant fabric.

“I designed and manufactured the ‘Shake ’n’ Bake’ bags,” which are emergency shelters used by firefighters, he said. He also sewed the prototypes for fire suppression uniforms and designed the specifications for the FS-10 parachute system.

He said his standout memories from his 40 missions, which took him not only to Tibet but also Laos and the Bay of Pigs, are about the “companionship.”

His only regret was that more of his buddies weren’t alive to finally receive some of the recognition due them.


Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/helenan-and-former-smokejumper-honored-for-his-secret-tibet-missions/article_81ca7903-a0bc-5c64-883c-4464b191bf77.html#ixzz339WJYMFh

I thought this was an interesting story that was in yesterdays paper... Of some folks that remained unknown heroes for over 50 years because of their oath to secrecy unlike the current bunch like Snowden that some folks idolize and try to make heroes of because they are "whistleblowers" and give secret info to our foreign enemies...

I often wonder how many more operations we never heard of and won't know about for a generation or two... I know there were many connected to the Vietnam war area/era that still haven't been released...
 

hopalong

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Well if YOU know about them they re not too much of a secret old drop a dime..... You could not keep a secret if you needed too to save your family!
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
try to make heroes of because they are "whistleblowers" and give secret info to our foreign enemies...

You referring to obama and how he tells the terrorists when operations will end, or publicizes Rules of Engagement, or even the CIA station chief's name...
 
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60% Say U.S. Leaders Send Troops Into Danger Too Often

Thursday, May 29, 2014

U.S. voters continue to believe the nation’s leaders are too eager to send American soldiers into action, with nearly half who say the United States is already too involved in the affairs of other nations.

Just 33% of Likely U.S. Voters think the current level of U.S. involvement around the globe is about right. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% believe the United States is too involved in the affairs of other countries, while 11% say America is not involved enough.


69% Favor Use of Military Overseas Only When U.S. National Security is Threatened


Monday, May 07, 2012

With pressure growing for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, America’s longest-running war, voters continue to believe strongly in more limited use of the U.S. military overseas.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 69% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States should not commit forces overseas unless it is vital to U.S. national security. Sixteen percent (16%) disagree with the more restrained use of U.S. military force.

Pretty much what Obama said he wants to do to.... I had to also agree with his description of it being a lot easier to get the country into a war than get out of one...

Singing BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, BOMB songs just don't cut it with the voters tired of us playing war games...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
60% Say U.S. Leaders Send Troops Into Danger Too Often

Thursday, May 29, 2014

U.S. voters continue to believe the nation’s leaders are too eager to send American soldiers into action, with nearly half who say the United States is already too involved in the affairs of other nations.

Just 33% of Likely U.S. Voters think the current level of U.S. involvement around the globe is about right. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% believe the United States is too involved in the affairs of other countries, while 11% say America is not involved enough.


69% Favor Use of Military Overseas Only When U.S. National Security is Threatened


Monday, May 07, 2012

With pressure growing for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, America’s longest-running war, voters continue to believe strongly in more limited use of the U.S. military overseas.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 69% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States should not commit forces overseas unless it is vital to U.S. national security. Sixteen percent (16%) disagree with the more restrained use of U.S. military force.

Pretty much what Obama said he wants to do to.... I had to also agree with his description of it being a lot easier to get the country into a war than get out of one...

Singing BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, BOMB songs just don't cut it with the voters tired of us playing war games...

So you admit that obama is just telling the voters what they want to hear, while bombing more, and in more Countries, than Bush did?

It's pretty hard to "end a war", when your soldiers are not allowed to shoot back.

Don't worry...put enough of your veterans on waiting lists, and you won't have anybody willing to fight for your Country anyway....
 

Faster horses

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
60% Say U.S. Leaders Send Troops Into Danger Too Often

Thursday, May 29, 2014

U.S. voters continue to believe the nation’s leaders are too eager to send American soldiers into action, with nearly half who say the United States is already too involved in the affairs of other nations.

Just 33% of Likely U.S. Voters think the current level of U.S. involvement around the globe is about right. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% believe the United States is too involved in the affairs of other countries, while 11% say America is not involved enough.


69% Favor Use of Military Overseas Only When U.S. National Security is Threatened


Monday, May 07, 2012

With pressure growing for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, America’s longest-running war, voters continue to believe strongly in more limited use of the U.S. military overseas.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 69% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States should not commit forces overseas unless it is vital to U.S. national security. Sixteen percent (16%) disagree with the more restrained use of U.S. military force.

Pretty much what Obama said he wants to do to.... I had to also agree with his description of it being a lot easier to get the country into a war than get out of one...

Singing BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, BOMB songs just don't cut it with the voters tired of us playing war games...

So you admit that obama is just telling the voters what they want to hear, while bombing more, and in more Countries, than Bush did?

It's pretty hard to "end a war", when your soldiers are not allowed to shoot back.

Don't worry...put enough of your veterans on waiting lists, and you won't have anybody willing to fight for your Country anyway....

That part about "end a war" when your soldiers are not allowed to shoot
back.......that's exactly what Billy Vaughn brought up several times in his
book "Betrayed." And that's exactly what has happened. Billy Vaughn gave more than one instance of this.


Also Mark Levin said today on his radio show, that what has happened to the Veterans at the VA hospitals is worse than what happened to them in combat. :cry:

Levin questioned asking for the head of the VA to step down.....what does that solve?
The whole thing needs an overhaul. Vouchers would make it much easier
for Veterans to get health care. One Veteran from 1977 called in and said when he got out, he received vouchers for dental care. So vouchers have been in existence before. Why do we need VA hospitals to take care of veterans? Up until Obama, we had the best private health care and it should have been available to the Veterans as well.

Levin never spared the GOP on this either. Both parties are giving it lip service and no one has come up with restructuring the VA.
 

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