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Obama urges Europeans, Americans to defeat terror
By DAVID ESPO and DAVID RISING, Associated Press Writers
21 minutes ago



BERLIN - Cheered by an enormous international crowd, Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama on Thursday summoned Europeans and Americans together to "defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it" as surely as they conquered communism a generation ago.

Obama said he was speaking as a citizen, not as a president, but the evening was awash in politics as the first-term U.S. senator sought to burnish his international credentials for the fall campaign at home. His remarks before a crowd estimated at more than 200,000 inevitably invited comparison to historic speeches in the same city by Presidents Kennedy and Reagan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080724/ap_on_el_pr/obama_germany;_ylt=AvGHsRhKF6CfycCweqTgqe.s0NUE

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loomixguy

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Sounds like he is laying the groundwork for a New World Order to me. Hitler enthralled tens of thousands with his rhetoric, too.
 

Mike

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I watched the whole speech, without going to sleep, I might add.

He's starting to go overboard with the look to the left, then the look to the right, while reading the teleprompters. Always at the same angle, with the same time intervals, and never looking straight ahead.

If this weren't so cheesy, sophomoric, and fake looking, I might even consider turning the volume up so I could hear him. :p :p :shock:
 
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Here Mike you can listen to the whole speech and read along on the transcript....

http://my.barackobama.com/berlinvideo



Except I still think "Ich Bin NotGeorgeBush" could get him more votes and more worldwide approval :wink:
 

aplusmnt

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Mike said:
I watched the whole speech, without going to sleep, I might add.

He's starting to go overboard with the look to the left, then the look to the right, while reading the teleprompters. Always at the same angle, with the same time intervals, and never looking straight ahead.

If this weren't so cheesy, sophomoric, and fake looking, I might even consider turning the volume up so I could hear him. :p :p :shock:

Keep the volume down, just as annoying is his little burst of a sentence then a pause followed by another burst to be then followed by another pause. I think he is a terrible speaker, it gets annoying. He has to predictable of a mannerism about his speeches, they get old fast.

I will have to try watching your way and see if the gestures and eye movement alone will annoy me!
 

Hanta Yo

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OT, I'm sooo glad you think so highly of Obama. People like you allowed 911. Oh, of course, you probably think it's been an inside thing..... :shock:

I haven't been on here awhile and I am so ashamed and sorry that someone like you, OT think so reverently of Obama. He is and will be our DEMISE. :shock: :mad:

I would for instance, like for him to answer questions all by himself without his teleprompters, which he cannot seem to do. Which scares me the most...he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is talking about which tells me his teleprompters are going to WIN HIM THE RACE????? :shock:

I am ticked off at you, OT. I thought you were conservative but you have proven me wrong. :mad: :mad: :mad:

You just make me want to say grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
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Hanta Yo said:
OT, I'm sooo glad you think so highly of Obama. People like you allowed 911. Oh, of course, you probably think it's been an inside thing..... :shock:

I haven't been on here awhile and I am so ashamed and sorry that someone like you, OT think so reverently of Obama. He is and will be our DEMISE. :shock: :mad:

I would for instance, like for him to answer questions all by himself without his teleprompters, which he cannot seem to do. Which scares me the most...he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is talking about which tells me his teleprompters are going to WIN HIM THE RACE????? :shock:

I am ticked off at you, OT. I thought you were conservative but you have proven me wrong. :mad: :mad: :mad:

You just make me want to say grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Well Hanta- if being conservative means blindly following a bumbling lying idiot like King George- than I guess I ain't one....

Actually as the information comes out more and more- and as the investigating commission said- 9/11 was probably preventable...But it was the Bush regime that was so enthralled with finishing Daddy's job in Iraq- that they pooh poohed the FBI agents away with the info on several of the Al Qaeda suicide terrorists and didn't take serious the info they had on them taking flight instruction training....And they had all their efforts directed at Iraq...

Bush Security Advisor Richard Clarke
Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit". After initially denying that such meeting and request between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.

As more and more people retire from the military- CIA- FBI-State Dept. there are becoming more and more people that are completely backing Clarke up- and providing much more info on the bungling....From the minute he walked into office- GW had his people working fulltime on Iraq- and completely took the focus off Al Qaeda...And infighting within the administration from minute one- made sure if any info was found it wasn't followed up on or gotten to the right people...Rumsfeld/Cheney wouldn't even let the NSA Advisor (Condi Rice) in the Pentagon- or allow DOD/military people to talk to her...

You may growl at me now- but wait a couple of years- the hearings-the trials-the folks scrambling to CYA because they can no longer refuse to testify because of administrative immunity- and you'll see much more of the info and facts come out- then you will see what a Dupe we have been to GW...

As far as Obama goes- if we let this current economic policy of Bush's continue with McSame- we won't have any country anyway...If it isn't too late already... :???: :(
 

Soapweed

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Hanta Yo said:
OT, I'm sooo glad you think so highly of Obama. People like you allowed 911. Oh, of course, you probably think it's been an inside thing..... :shock:

I haven't been on here awhile and I am so ashamed and sorry that someone like you, OT think so reverently of Obama. He is and will be our DEMISE. :shock: :mad:

I would for instance, like for him to answer questions all by himself without his teleprompters, which he cannot seem to do. Which scares me the most...he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is talking about which tells me his teleprompters are going to WIN HIM THE RACE????? :shock:

I am ticked off at you, OT. I thought you were conservative but you have proven me wrong. :mad: :mad: :mad:

You just make me want to say grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am with you, Hanta Yo. Yes, Bush has bungled his job to a certain extent. Given the other choices at the time, I would still vote for George W. Bush. If anyone thinks the USA is not being run right now, had either Gore or Kerry been elected, things would be very much worse.

McCain is not a perfect choice, but he is a whole lot more on the right track than is Obama. At least McCain is a patriotic American. This is more than can be said for Obama and the birds of a feather that flock up with him.
 

don

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for what it's worth from north of the border:

911 probably would have happened regardless of who was president. bin laden didn't plan this after the 2000 election and whoever was president wouldn't have wanted to deal with the possibility regardless of the intelligence. bush (more whoever put him in office - cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, etc.) handled it horribly. iraq was probably the worst strategy ever conceived and has hurt the usa forever. the resources spent there could have secured the united states so much more effectively but i think the neocons wanted a middle east outpost and thought iraq was an easy takeover target. now you've got two bad choices for president - an aging dolt who every day proves how unqualified for the job he is and an empty shirt whose main vision is a black man in the white house and no experience to do anything more than occupy the oval office for four years. he's probably the republicans' best bet because obama could win the whitehouse back for the repubs in 2012.
 
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don- I think your right about whether the 9/11 attack would have occurred, because this whole country was in a mood of "it can't happen here"-even D.C....Years before when I first heard of Bin Laden, the CIA & FBI fellas that were giving the presentation predicted that it would take a 9/11 type incident to wake up our country and D.C...
But now, playing Monday morning quarterback, as the evidence comes out- its sad the Bush Administration wasn't spending more time on their job- rather than trying to figure out how to get their oil buddies back into Iraq, their infighting over who controlled/was stepping on who's turf- and trying to run an 8 year confrontational political campaign rather than be a sworn elected leader.....

And Hanta and Soap can chirp about what they think would have happened if the elections had been different- but I agree with you- no matter who had been in office- they couldn't have made worse decisions...I voted for Bush- and thats maybe why I'm so disappointed in the mistake I made....

So today we sit with a country on the brink of economic implosion because we have the biggest debt in history- owe about 50% of our debt to the FED which is running its printing press's on overtime (which ends up being debt to us) and the rest to countries that hate us (China, Russia, Venezuela, etc)- have 2 wars going which we don't have the manpower to fight correctly- and can't get assistance from any other world leaders because they no longer trust us and know that associating with Bush is the "kiss of death"- a Congress that because of the Bush/Cheney/Rove "confrontational" style of governing is so partisan that they can't even agree on how to name a Post Office anymore...


And the candidate running for that party not only has no new direction to take to get us thru the mess-but has one foot in the grave, one on a banana peel, his finger itching for the nuke button as he sings Bomb, Bomb, Bomb songs :roll: :(
 

kolanuraven

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Soapweed said:
If anyone thinks the USA is not being run right now, had either Gore or Kerry been elected, things would be very much worse.


Now how can you say this with such knowledge? And..if you have such super duper " swami" type ability....

#1 Why did YOU let 9-11 happen since you would have had the ability to know ahead of time?

#2 if you have this ability to see into the future why did you let GW fduck up eveything so bad?
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Soapweed said:
If anyone thinks the USA is not being run right now, had either Gore or Kerry been elected, things would be very much worse.


Now how can you say this with such knowledge? And..if you have such super duper " swami" type ability....

#1 Why did YOU let 9-11 happen since you would have had the ability to know ahead of time?

#2 if you have this ability to see into the future why did you let GW fduck up eveything so bad?

History is a pretty good indicator to help predict a future outcome. Clinton/Gore were attacked many times by Terrorist and they did nothing to stop it, more Americans died than Terrorist died during Clinton's terms. That would be a good predictor of what the future would have been like for Gore in office.

Bush was attacked just once, and since then, many top terrorist leaders have been captured or killed, thousands of terrorist have died. Two countries who's leaders have helped and sponsored terrorist have been over thrown and removed from power. That being the Taliban and Saddam. And since this America has not been attacked, and more Terrorist have lost their lives than Americans.

On a more economic note, Global Warming and the regulations that come from it and other green agenda programs are a big reason why we have the energy crisis that we have now. So if Gore would have been elected we can only imagine how much tougher it would have gotten as he sold out to the Tree Hugger's.
 

Soapweed

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Soapweed said:
If anyone thinks the USA is not being run right now, had either Gore or Kerry been elected, things would be very much worse.


Now how can you say this with such knowledge? And..if you have such super duper " swami" type ability....

#1 Why did YOU let 9-11 happen since you would have had the ability to know ahead of time?

#2 if you have this ability to see into the future why did you let GW fduck up eveything so bad?

History is a pretty good indicator to help predict a future outcome. Clinton/Gore were attacked many times by Terrorist and they did nothing to stop it, more Americans died than Terrorist died during Clinton's terms. That would be a good predictor of what the future would have been like for Gore in office.

Bush was attacked just once, and since then, many top terrorist leaders have been captured or killed, thousands of terrorist have died. Two countries who's leaders have helped and sponsored terrorist have been over thrown and removed from power. That being the Taliban and Saddam. And since this America has not been attacked, and more Terrorist have lost their lives than Americans.

On a more economic note, Global Warming and the regulations that come from it and other green agenda programs are a big reason why we have the energy crisis that we have now. So if Gore would have been elected we can only imagine how much tougher it would have gotten as he sold out to the Tree Hugger's.

Thanks, aplusmnt. You answered the question with much more eloquence than I could have, and I share your thoughts. :wink:
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
And Hanta and Soap can chirp about what they think would have happened if the elections had been different- but I agree with you- no matter who had been in office- they couldn't have made worse decisions...I voted for Bush- and thats maybe why I'm so disappointed in the mistake I made....

So today we sit with a country on the brink of economic implosion because we have the biggest debt in history- owe about 50% of our debt to the FED which is running its printing press's on overtime (which ends up being debt to us) and the rest to countries that hate us (China, Russia, Venezuela, etc)- have 2 wars going which we don't have the manpower to fight correctly- and can't get assistance from any other world leaders because they no longer trust us and know that associating with Bush is the "kiss of death"- a Congress that because of the Bush/Cheney/Rove "confrontational" style of governing is so partisan that they can't even agree on how to name a Post Office anymore...


And the candidate running for that party not only has no new direction to take to get us thru the mess-but has one foot in the grave, one on a banana peel, his finger itching for the nuke button as he sings Bomb, Bomb, Bomb songs :roll: :(

You continue to miss the whole point, Oldtimer. I speak just for myself, but do believe that others share my sentiments. I am not a real dandy fan of Bush. You and I both voted for him, and we are both disappointed with his accomplishments. He has tried to do right, but has only succeeded part of the time. Would Gore or Kerry have done better? You think they would have, and I am quite sure either of them would have been worse.

I was not a real keen fan of Bush when the Republicans picked him to run for President. He was at the time, and still is, the best choice over either Gore or Kerry. I am not a real keen fan of McCain, either, but once again he is still a much better choice than Obama. The Republicans need to get back on course and pick a better choice from among their ranks. This is not McCain's fault. He is seeking to be President, and he has received the nod from the Republican hierarchy. Could they have done better? Yes, they could have and should have.

Now back to the situation at hand. At this point in time, we have two choices. One is a fairly responsible man with mostly conservative values, whose main problem is that he is a little long in the tooth. The other choice is a punk kid, green as a gourd, whose patriotism, allegiances, and loyalties are suspect. This second man has accomplished almost nothing in his rather short life. He merely has a pretty face, a bit of boyish charm, and his main campaign promise is that he is going to "change" things. Whoop-de-frickin'-do. What a nation of fools we have become if we vote for this man. Even as bad as I detest both Al Gore and John Kerry, I would vote for either of them in a heartbeat before I would vote for Obama.

Our best hope is that John McCain picks a very competent running mate. Then if he is elected and happens to kick the ever-loving bucket while in office, our country might still have competent leadership.
 
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The sad thing is that the world is listening today to hearings on C-SPAN (and the news) about legislation that a bipartisan appointed group has recommended needs to be passed before the next President takes office to clarify the duty the President has to be open and honest with Congress- which has a Constitutional duty (shall) to provide that oversight-- which Bush has refused to do- claiming never before raised claims of Administrative Immunity on anyone in the White House--raising a Constitutional Crisis with his assumption of near dictatorial powers...

During these hearings that the world is watching- they are talking about our President as a mass murderer, war criminal, impeachable, etc. etc....
Many are calling for an Independent Special Prosecutor which the AG (a Bush appointee) refuses to do- which only makes the matter look worse...

I have no doubt that the minute Bush is no longer in office- and can no longer claim Administrative immunity or wield power there will not only be a Special Prosecuter- but also some in the Administration will be indicted on War Crimes...

A couple of the Democrats echoed Ron Pauls fear of what King George might do in the next 6 months of his reign since he thinks he is answerable to no one...

Altho most the Repubs defended Bush- one reminded them- if they allow these actions of being able to tell Congress to "go to hell"- and don't start restricting it- then you set a "precedent" that future Presidents can do the same thing....
And that next President could easily be Barack Obama...
 

kolanuraven

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OT...I know why some here have ' turned' on you.

You did the most horrible, unimaginable thing a conservative could EVER do.....you ' changed' your mind!!!!!!!


You ' changed' your mind.... and they threw you under the bus!!!
 
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Kola--Well I never really been one that will blindly follow- especially when the evidence/facts all point the opposite direction...And if the mess we're in with not enough troops, not being able to get help from any of our former allies (who are now even refusing to turn over criminals and intelligence info) , and an every day more faltering economy are facts to me....

Personally I believe this War on Terrorism and against radical Muslims can not be won by the US alone- its going to take the cooperation of the world-- and thats where I think Obama will be much better in getting that cooperation- not with stupid threats of "your with us or your against us"-but with diplomacy and negotiation...

I think Obama can/will do a better job of keeping us out of foreign interventions than an old fella that runs around singing Bomb Bomb Bomb anyone- or saying staying 100 years in a war zone is fine....

And I don't think the radical Muslims are our most important issue- I think our economy is in worse shape than many will admit to- and that if we don't get that on the right track we won't have to worry about wars or Muslims as we won't even be able to afford a military...McCain and his economic advisor Foreclosure Phil echo George Bushs failed economic policy and give me little confidence that they can bring it back around following the same direction..

Several of the issues that are so important to you folks- actually mean little to me....On the issues of abortions and the right to die with dignity --that is where the Libertarian in me comes out...

I think most of those decisions should be left to be made between the person, the family, their doctor, and their God...Not the Government...

It definitely is not a Federal government issue- and if any type of law making needs to be done- it should be left to the locals and the states...

This is true with the homosexual issue too- as I don't think the Federal government should be bedroom police- or deciding how local areas want to handle the issue...

Another issue important to me is enforcement of the laws as written- and the belief in the importance of following our Constitution-- both of which in the last 7 years GW has done a horrificly disastrous job of doing- with no oversight adjustment by McCain or any of the other members of a Republican controlled Congress...Obama as a legal professor who has taught Constitutional law at least knows what the Constitution is- which I'm not as sure of with McCain who's past history of ties to Lobbyists, corruption, and illegality scandals worries me..

Another issue that directly affects me is Social Security- which now that I'm getting old enough to draw, I'd like to get my full benefits out of-- which Obama supports maintaining- while McCain has been all over the page on- condemning it one day- backing it the next, but calling for cuts and changes in age limits- and then talking about completely dropping it the next to allow Bush's privatized investment plan- which would have been a disaster to many with the current economic crisis....

One of the reasons I voted for George Bush was because of his campaign promises to reform Health Care and Health Care insurance- another promise he immediately forgot when elected :mad: I have many times expressed my views that Health Care costs and insurance needs to be addressed- which McCain is giving about the same story GW did- and I'm fairly certain Obama will do something about...

On most the other issues important to me- global warming, immigration, etc. its about a draw, with Obama maybe being as much or more conservative on some than McCain...

I've said on here I normally do not support having one party control both houses of Congress and the White House (like GW did)--but I think its going to take a Congress working with the next President to correct many of the blunders and illegalities that the Bush crew pulled- as well as trying to build our status back up with the other countries of the world...I think Obama will be able to better work with next Congress as its almost a certainty with the countries continuing backlash against the Bush regime- Dems will control both houses.....
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
One of the reasons I voted for George Bush was

OMG you voted for George Bush? If you screwed up so bad last time in your voting then why should we ever trust your opinion now? You have a history of failure and not knowing what you are doing! That in its own rights is a good reason to vote for McCain, just because OT is not going to!
 
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