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Obama Keeps Gates at Defense

Texan

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Let's see how long it takes for you libs to complain about this one. We expect you to raise just as much hell about this as you would have had McCain won and decided to keep Gates on.

We all know that you guys would have been furious and would have accused McCain of just being another Bush. Now's your chance to demonstrate some objectivity/integrity and complain about Obama's choice. Which one of you is going to be first?

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Gates a 'Done Deal'

November 25, 2008 2:43 PM

Martha Raddatz and Jake Tapper Report:

Sources tell ABC News that Defense Secretary Robert Gates will be staying on in the top Pentagon job, for at least the first year of the Obama administration. "It is a done deal," a source close to the process tells ABC News.

Gates, while a registered independent, has served numerous Republican administrations. President George W. Bush nominated Gates to replace the Donald Rumsfeld after the 2006 midterm elections, when the war in Iraq was spiraling out of control.

The former Eagle Scout is expected to be rolled out immediately after the Thanksgiving Holiday weekend as part of a larger national security team expected to include Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, as Secretary of State; Marine Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.) as National Security Adviser; Admiral Dennis Blair (Ret.) as Director of National Intelligence; and Dr. Susan Rice as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

Gates was CIA Director for President George H.W. Bush in 1992, and gave the impression to some that he would stay on in that role if asked by incoming President Bill Clinton. Clinton did not keep him on, replacing him instead with Jim Woolsey.

-- Martha Raddatz and Jake Tapper



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/11/gates-a-done-de.html
 
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Anonymous

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Well Texan- you can go to searching thru the archives- but I don't think you'll find one place where I've ever said anything negative about Gates (nor Mukasey) ...I think he is a great choice....
Like the Obama aides explained- Obama feels that with just keeping the country from economically imploding (which I heard today Russia is predicting the Bush incompetency will do) that he will be too busy working on that to worry about changes in the Defense Dept and Pentagon-altho they already agree on the direction needed--- so the reason for the Gates and Hillary picks....
 

badaxemoo

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Texan said:
Let's see how long it takes for you libs to complain about this one. We expect you to raise just as much hell about this as you would have had McCain won and decided to keep Gates on.

Actually, I think you're going to have to wait for a while for the liberal screaming you seem to crave.

I thought Gates was a good replacement for Rumsfeld and one of Bush's few good moves in 8 years.

I think Obama made a good choice to keep him on for at the least the beginning of his term.

He has some serious economic issues to tackle and having continuity with the Secretary of Defense is a good move.
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Like the Obama aides explained- Obama feels that with just keeping the country from economically imploding (which I heard today Russia is predicting the Bush incompetency will do) that he will be too busy working on that to worry about changes in the Defense Dept and Pentagon-altho they already agree on the direction needed--- so the reason for the Gates and Hillary picks....
They agree on direction? Gates is firmly opposed to a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Are you saying that Obama now opposes a timetable, too?
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Like the Obama aides explained- Obama feels that with just keeping the country from economically imploding (which I heard today Russia is predicting the Bush incompetency will do) that he will be too busy working on that to worry about changes in the Defense Dept and Pentagon-altho they already agree on the direction needed--- so the reason for the Gates and Hillary picks....
They agree on direction? Gates is firmly opposed to a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Are you saying that Obama now opposes a timetable, too?

Nope- Obama still says out in 16 months (unless some big change)- and thats pretty much the agreement Bush has been signing onto with the Iraqis...The aides and news media say that Gates and Obama have become able to work closely together...

The only ones I've heard whining and crying are the right wingnuts that hate to see Obama working with folks from both parties and across the board-- and want to stir up sh*t and try to keep their message of division and fearmongering going (since they have no other message :( )....
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
The only ones I've heard whining and crying are the right wingnuts that hate to see Obama working with folks from both parties and across the board-- and want to stir up sh*t and try to keep their message of division and fearmongering going (since they have no other message :( )....
If you want to hear some real whining and crying, you should listen to YOU. :lol:
 

alice

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You neocons don't seem to understand what bipartisan means...you don't seem to understand that there are those that consider what the best is for our country, no matter what political party they belong to.

Surprise, surpise...maybe our president elect does!

Alice
 

Texan

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alice said:
You neocons don't seem to understand what bipartisan means...you don't seem to understand that there are those that consider what the best is for our country, no matter what political party they belong to.

Surprise, surpise...maybe our president elect does!

Alice
What's your definition of a "neocon," Alice? Not sure who you're talking to.
 

alice

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Texan said:
alice said:
You neocons don't seem to understand what bipartisan means...you don't seem to understand that there are those that consider what the best is for our country, no matter what political party they belong to.

Surprise, surpise...maybe our president elect does!

Alice
What's your definition of a "neocon," Alice? Not sure who you're talking to.

You know exactly what I'm talking about...

Alice
 

Texan

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alice said:
You know exactly what I'm talking about...

Alice
If I had known, I wouldn't have asked you, Alice. What is your definition of "neocon?" Can you make a list of people here that you consider "neocons?"
 

alice

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Texan said:
alice said:
You know exactly what I'm talking about...

Alice
If I had known, I wouldn't have asked you, Alice. What is your definition of "neocon?" Can you make a list of people here that you consider "neocons?"

If I have the time and nothing better to do, which btw I do, I will make an attempt...and then, maybe I won't. I take that back, I won't. You can talk amongst yourselves, pat each other's backs, and carry on about evil liberals.

Go patronize somebody else...

Alice
 

Texan

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alice said:
If I have the time and nothing better to do, which btw I do, I will make an attempt...and then, maybe I won't. I take that back, I won't. You can talk amongst yourselves, pat each other's backs, and carry on about evil liberals.

Go patronize somebody else...

Alice
:???: I don't think you're evil. I think the things you do for kids makes you a special person and a great lady. Even though I don't agree with you about some things. Have a good evening, Alice.
 

alice

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Texan said:
alice said:
If I have the time and nothing better to do, which btw I do, I will make an attempt...and then, maybe I won't. I take that back, I won't. You can talk amongst yourselves, pat each other's backs, and carry on about evil liberals.

Go patronize somebody else...

Alice
:???: I don't think you're evil. I think the things you do for kids makes you a special person and a great lady. Even though I don't agree with you about some things. Have a good evening, Alice.

And a good evening to you, suh.

Alice
 

loomixguy

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Oldtimer said:
Well Texan- you can go to searching thru the archives- but I don't think you'll find one place where I've ever said anything negative about Gates (nor Mukasey) ...I think he is a great choice....
Like the Obama aides explained- Obama feels that with just keeping the country from economically imploding (which I heard today Russia is predicting the Bush incompetency will do) that he will be too busy working on that to worry about changes in the Defense Dept and Pentagon-altho they already agree on the direction needed--- so the reason for the Gates and Hillary picks....

Gee whiz.....all this from the man who only made 1,312,893 posts whining about "CHANGE"!

Exactly how does keeping Gates constitute "CHANGE"? Sounds like bidness as usual to me.
 
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loomixguy said:
Oldtimer said:
Well Texan- you can go to searching thru the archives- but I don't think you'll find one place where I've ever said anything negative about Gates (nor Mukasey) ...I think he is a great choice....
Like the Obama aides explained- Obama feels that with just keeping the country from economically imploding (which I heard today Russia is predicting the Bush incompetency will do) that he will be too busy working on that to worry about changes in the Defense Dept and Pentagon-altho they already agree on the direction needed--- so the reason for the Gates and Hillary picks....

Gee whiz.....all this from the man who only made 1,312,893 posts whining about "CHANGE"!

Exactly how does keeping Gates constitute "CHANGE"? Sounds like bidness as usual to me.

You forget tho- Gates is an honorable man- and not part of this team that used lies and deception to get us into war- and told us we would walk thru Iraq in 2 weeks- and that they would welcome us as liberators- and not have any casualties :roll: ....

1) "My answer is bring 'em on." —President George W. Bush, challenging militants attacking U.S. forces in Iraq, July 2, 2003 (Source)

2) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 (Source)

3) "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." —Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding to a U.S. soldier serving in Iraq who asked him why troops had to dig through scrap metal to armor vehicles, Dec. 8, 2004 (Source)

4) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003 (Source)

5) "F**k Saddam, we're taking him out." –President Bush to three U.S. Senators in March 2002, a full year before the Iraq invasion (Source)

6) "Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts, corroborated by many sources, some of them sources of the intelligence services of other countries." –Secretary of State Colin Powell, testifying about Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons capabilities before the United Nations Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003 (Source)

7) "Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens," April 11, 2003 (Source)

8) "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." –President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003 (Source)

9) "It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine." –Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying before the House Budget Committee prior to the Iraq war, Feb. 27, 2003 (Source)

10) "From a marketing point of view, you don't roll out new products in August." --White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, on why the Bush administration waited until after Labor Day to try to sell the American people on war against Iraq, "New York Times" interview, Sept. 7, 2002 (Source)

11) "We found the weapons of mass destruction." –President Bush, in an interview with Polish television, May 29, 2003 (Source)

12) "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March 25, 2004 (Source)

13) "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, when asked about weapons of mass destruction in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003 (Source)

14) "British intelligence has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." –President Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address (Source)

15) "Already, the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations." –President Bush, 2004 State of the Union Address (Source)

16) "It's a slam-dunk case!" –CIA Director George Tenet, discussing WMD and the case for war during a meeting in the Oval Office, Dec. 21, 2002 (Source)

17) "I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are." –White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, July 9, 2003 (Source)

18) "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction, as the core reason." --Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, "Vanity Fair" interview, May 28, 2003 (Source)

19) "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." –National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, on Iraq's nuclear capabilities and the Bush administration's case for war, Sept. 8, 2002 (Source)

20) "Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 (Source)

21) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003 (Source)

22) "I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 (Source)

23) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Vice President Dick Cheney, Nov. 7, 2003 (Source)

24) "I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress, Feb. 16, 2005 (Source)

25) "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties (Source)

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/iraqquotes.htm


One of the political news commentators that I have always thought of as fair and impartial is David Gergen... Who served as a political consultant and presidential advisor during the administrations of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Clinton- and never seemed tied to a party. He says Obama is surrounding himself with some of the most brilliant and knowledgeable people in the country and truly seems to be putting the nation ahead of the partisan politics like never before....

Something the right wingnut racists and extremists can't seem to do- or handle... :(
 

loomixguy

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But your Alzheimer's is showing, Old Komrade....Gates is part of Bush's TEAM. So, Bush must have done ONE THING right in the past 8 years, huh?! :lol: :shock: :lol:

Can you admit that Bush did do one thing right in the past 8 years, or is your BDS too advanced? 8)

But keeping Gates isn't "Change"...... :? :?
 
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Anonymous

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loomixguy said:
But your Alzheimer's is showing, Old Komrade....Gates is part of Bush's TEAM. So, Bush must have done ONE THING right in the past 8 years, huh?! :lol: :shock: :lol:

Can you admit that Bush did do one thing right in the past 8 years, or is your BDS too advanced? 8)

But keeping Gates isn't "Change"...... :? :?

He didn't have a choice- his own party ran Rummy and Gonzales and most his regime out as soon as they quit BKing and realized what was happening.....
He would have got no one else but Gates confirmed...
 
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Anonymous

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loomixguy said:
So did Bush do ONE THING RIGHT in 8 years, or not?

Answer the question....... yes or no will do. Spin doesn't count.

OY VEY-- Bush did several things right to start with- and did a few more later when he was forced to-- but his legacy will be "complete disaster and incompetence".....
 

loomixguy

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Oldtimer said:
loomixguy said:
So did Bush do ONE THING RIGHT in 8 years, or not?

Answer the question....... yes or no will do. Spin doesn't count.

OY VEY-- Bush did several things right to start with- and did a few more later when he was forced to

Feels good to tell the truth for a change, doesn't it? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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