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Obama Signs Extension Of Warrantless Wiretapping Program

Whitewing

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Okay, since Hypo is failing at the job of care and feeding of this thread, I'll pick up the slack.

Here's one from 5 August 2007. OT was really really really pissed when he started this thread: Why GW needs to Be Challenged!!

Finally some more are wakening to the reason I've been saying that GW needs to be challenged and jerked up short on his reign of secrecy and going around or totally avoiding existing laws and the Constitution.....The last paragraph and especially the last sentence sums it up quite well :shock: :(

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20231&highlight=wiretaps

I'm betting he's really pissed today that Obama is doing the same. :lol: :roll:
 

Whitewing

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Here's one from 18 May 2008 where OT is on his knees paying homage to John Dean:

Dean and the entire panel agreed that Bush/Cheney's public admissions of wiretaps without warrants- constituted a major violation of the law and the Constitution and is enough for Impeachment on that alone...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25968&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=wiretaps&start=12

It is so funny now to read these posts with OT whining about others trampling the Constitution, both from the standpoint of Obama running roughshod over the Constitution today and from the standpoint that he couldn't bring himself to admit that he'd have backed the American Revolutionaries against the British Gubmint.

Had OT run the show in the early 1770's, we'd all be breaking for tea and crumpets at 3PM. :lol:
 

Whitewing

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This gem is from 12 June 2008. While it's a bit off topic, it does go to demonstrate that OT doesn't believe half the crap he posts on this forum with his feigned outrage.

I say that because when Obama ordered the execution of an American citizen who had never had a single day in court, OT made excuses for the Messiah for the action.....the NSA said the guy was a terrorist......various "world courts" said the guy was a terrorist, etc etc etc.

Here's the quote:

It means the Supreme Court says King George can't play God- as he thinks of himself....That everyone has a right to their day in Court...

OT really is the gift that keeps on giving.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26422&highlight=wiretaps
 

Whitewing

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God this one's rich. From the same thread linked above:

I too have worked cases where I would have preferred to just take the suspect down to the river - pop & a cap- save the state money, and/or pull the gallows lever- but our country was built on our freedoms and our strong belief in rights for all, and its the thing these terrorists so envy, that I don't want to see their threats bringing it down.....

:lol:

That from the guy who said there were too many variables and unknowns to be able to say if he'd have sided with the American Revolutionaries against the Brits.

:roll:
 

Whitewing

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This thread from 8 March 2009 even had Reader2 lecturing Big Muddy about "intelligence". :lol:

Of course, OT was wearing his Obama kneepads for the duration:

There has been no evidence presented- or as far as I know, even allegation that Obama is doing illegal wiretaps...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32865&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=wiretaps&start=12
 

Tam

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What burns my butt- is that under the guise of Homeland Security- under the Patriot Act which eroded the Constitution-- he has implemented (or tried to) every type of mandatory ID there is to US citizens--feed, livestock, citizens, etc..- , and has imposed intrusions of airport and transportion strip searches and security checks- warrentless searchs, warrentless wiretaps- etc. etc on the US public ( which most accepted as a part of the war on terrorism)-- but refuses to do anything with intercepting the foreign invaders, terrorists, or the items they could be bringing in at our borders-- which is what 80% of our citizens have asked for....

Funny how Oldtimer's butt was burning over Bush and the Patroit Act but not a word when Obama doubles down by signing the extention in light of the fact Obama's Administration has seen more terrorist attacks on American soil than we saw under Bush.

Oh and what burns my butt is Oldtimer looking the other way while Obama's Administration blames Bush for Fast and Furious (A OBAMA ABMINISTRAION OPERATION) that sold illegal guns to those foreign invaders Oldtimer thinks should be kept out of the US. So now those foreign invades that are still coming over the border under Oldtimer's hero's watch, can shoot border agents with Obama Administration provided guns. :mad:

It is all Bush's fault the people are coming into the US according to Oldtimer but at least they were not carrying US government provided AK-47s like under Obama/Holder. Oh and I'm betting Bush would not have called a terrorist attack on a US Base, "work place violence" robbing soldiers and their familys of benefits. I also doubt Bush would have blamed a little seen video for an attack on a US embassy when the facts proves in REAL TIME IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK that killed a US Ambassador. Wonder if those families will get the benefits they are owed or if Obama will rob them like he did the Fort Hood families. :mad:

Work Place Violence, Violence due to a video, isolated incident, oh and I just loved Obama's Homeland Security appointee Janet Napolitano taking the mic and claiming the US Homeland Security System worked when it came to the Christmas day bomber. Under her it is everyone for themselves and passengers are suppose to attack wouldbe bombers to disarm them before he gets a chance to blow up an air plane full of people. :roll:



Will anyone really be held accountable for the screw ups of the first four years of Obama or will all of his questionable appointees, Hillary, Holder, Napolitano, turbo tax Tim Geighner, Ambassador Susan Rice to name a few and their action be swept under the Oval Office rug. :mad:
 

Whitewing

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This next thread has what may have been the very first posts of mine in the Political Forum after joining. I challenged OT on the following assertion of his and he didn't like it one bit:

So far- all I've seen is his return of some rights- like the rule of habeas corpus for all-

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38654&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=wiretaps&start=12

OT was talking about prisoners being held at Gitmo.

Here was OT's response to me:

WW- that article was from February...Since then they have been working diligently on setting up a system of military tribunals and federal courts to handle the hearings/trials....

Something that should have been done- and was ordered by the SCOTUS years ago--but that GW never did....You can't expect Obama or anyone to fix 8 years of Bush screwups in less than a month...
And I heard Holder tell Congress about a month ago that every individual case is now under review by Prosecuters to decide what will be done with the detainees- and whether they will be tried by military tribunal or federal court...


That thread was from Sept 2009. Of course, it should be noted that there are still individuals being held who have never been charged with a crime. Of course, what OT forgave Obama for not fixing in a month, I'm sure he'll forgive for not fixing in 4 years......Bush's fault of course.

:roll:
 
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Tam- did you notice who were 2 of the 23 Senators that voted against continuing the FISA- and warrantless wiretap of American citizens ?
The two from Montana that you moan and groan and hate so bad... :wink: :lol:

Why did Baucus and Tester vote “No” on extending FISA?

By Montana Street Fighter, on December 29, 2012 | 7 Comments


This past week, with the blessing and support of the White House, the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives voted to extend The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

FISA allows the U.S. Government to spy on law-abiding citizens by tapping their phone and intercepting personal emails without warrants. It’s an expansive, overreaching piece of legislation. Unfortunately, the extension of FISA was passed easily out of the House and the Senate. Representative Rehberg voted in support of the expansion.

Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union said in a statement, “Yet again, the House has rubberstamped a law so broad and vague that, despite its passage four years ago, we still have little idea how the government is using it.” She also pointed out that FISA strikes right at the heart of the 4th Amendment, which guards Americans against unreasonable searches and seizures.

It’s a sad day when the extension of FISA (through 2017) receives hardly any public attention or debate and is easily pushed through both chambers of congress.

Rehberg, once again, turned his back on Montana values and voted for the extension. Another reason we’ll all be glad to see him gone in just a couple of weeks.

Senator Baucus and Senator Tester were among only twenty-three Senators to vote against the expansion of FISA.

According to Baucus, “”The American people deserve to know exactly how this surveillance authority is being used… this bill leaves the door open for American citizens to get swept up in surveillance that is meant for terrorists, and I simply cannot support extending this authority without stronger protections of the constitutional rights of Montanans.”

Two-thirds of Montana’s delegation supporting Montana values is one-third too little. Whose side will Representative-elect Daines be on?
 

Whitewing

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OT, you're a prolific and outspoken poster here....nothing wrong with that....everyone has that right. And I can see that when you're motivated (like digging up dirt on McSame and Romney) you can do the research as well as anyone.

Where I've got a problem with many of your posts as you argue your point with others (or argue against points no one has tried to make) is that it's obvious you don't really believe much of what you post.

To me, that makes you either a troll (a determined trouble-maker) or just another non-principled individual whose beliefs blow with the prevailing political winds.

Which is it? I'd really like to know. Note: please don't give me the "I'm not a cultist" lecture, that one is as old as last year's bird nest and no longer believeable.
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Tam- did you notice who were 2 of the 23 Senators that voted against continuing the FISA- and warrantless wiretap of American citizens ?
The two from Montana that you moan and groan and hate so bad... :wink: :lol:

Wow, OT arguing a point no one tried to make. Who could have guessed such a thing? :roll:
 

Tam

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Whitewing said:
This next thread has what may have been the very first posts of mine in the Political Forum after joining. I challenged OT on the following assertion of his and he didn't like it one bit:

So far- all I've seen is his return of some rights- like the rule of habeas corpus for all-

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38654&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=wiretaps&start=12

OT was talking about prisoners being held at Gitmo.

Here was OT's response to me:

WW- that article was from February...Since then they have been working diligently on setting up a system of military tribunals and federal courts to handle the hearings/trials....

Something that should have been done- and was ordered by the SCOTUS years ago--but that GW never did....You can't expect Obama or anyone to fix 8 years of Bush screwups in less than a month...
And I heard Holder tell Congress about a month ago that every individual case is now under review by Prosecuters to decide what will be done with the detainees- and whether they will be tried by military tribunal or federal court...


That thread was from Sept 2009. Of course, it should be noted that there are still individuals being held who have never been charged with a crime. Of course, what OT forgave Obama for not fixing in a month, I'm sure he'll forgive for not fixing in 4 years......Bush's fault of course.

:roll:

But Obama has fixed part of the problem in his own special kill list way. He will not be putting anybody new in Gitmo for a trial not even American citizens. He just drone attacks and kills anyone he thinks might have a hint of information that will help stop the next big terrorist attack on the US. NO new Prisoners means NO possible intel coming in to counter Obama's lies of saying the US is safe To Obama he wants everyone to believe NO INTEL = NO ATTACK COMING. When one does come like the Fort Hood Shooting, Christmas Day Bomber, Benghazi Embassy Attack Obama finds some crap for the media to spred so he doesn't have to answer the question to why didn't the government know and stop the attacks.

He wants everyone to believe now that Osama is dead, everyone is safe and nobody has to worry about terrorists ever again. :roll:

I'm surprised Obama didn't open the gates a Gitmo and let the prisoners go on a promise they will not go back to the battle field once Seal Team Six touched down on safe soil after taking out Osama and his body was dumped in the ocean. :roll:
 

alice

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Whitewing said:
Okay, since Hypo is failing at the job of care and feeding of this thread, I'll pick up the slack.

Here's one from 5 August 2007. OT was really really really p****d when he started this thread: Why GW needs to Be Challenged!!

Finally some more are wakening to the reason I've been saying that GW needs to be challenged and jerked up short on his reign of secrecy and going around or totally avoiding existing laws and the Constitution.....The last paragraph and especially the last sentence sums it up quite well :shock: :(

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20231&highlight=wiretaps

I'm betting he's really p****d today that Obama is doing the same. :lol: :roll:

Wow, white wing, you didn't give the hypocrite very long to respond. Looks like maybe an hour? And, it seems like you had all of your info ready to share, quickly. You and hypocrite must be pretty tight considering you live at somewhat opposite ends of the earth. I guess you guys have known each other a lifetime. That's nice...
 

Whitewing

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alice said:
Whitewing said:
Okay, since Hypo is failing at the job of care and feeding of this thread, I'll pick up the slack.

Here's one from 5 August 2007. OT was really really really p****d when he started this thread: Why GW needs to Be Challenged!!

Finally some more are wakening to the reason I've been saying that GW needs to be challenged and jerked up short on his reign of secrecy and going around or totally avoiding existing laws and the Constitution.....The last paragraph and especially the last sentence sums it up quite well :shock: :(

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20231&highlight=wiretaps

I'm betting he's really p****d today that Obama is doing the same. :lol: :roll:

Wow, white wing, you didn't give the hypocrite very long to respond. Looks like maybe an hour? And, it seems like you had all of your info ready to share, quickly. You and hypocrite must be pretty tight considering you live at somewhat opposite ends of the earth. I guess you guys have known each other a lifetime. That's nice...

Yeah Alice, you're just too sharp for me. Hypo and I were separated at birth, actually, we were born Siamese twins. Via a hospital screw-up, after the operation, he was shipped to Canada and I to Venezuela. Fortunately, we were able to communicate telepathically over the distance until Al Gore invented the internet. Thereafter we used the net to stay in touch.

We had a good scam going here until you, Reader2 and OT figured us out. Boy, was that ever embarrassing to get busted by you guys. Reader was especially brilliant in exposing us....the way that lady put together what seemed like insignifcant bits and pieces of information to solve the mystery was nothing short of amazing. I hated to see her go but figure she's probably writing spy novels these days or something like that.

And you know, you're not too bad either Alice. I mean, how silly of me to think that I could post those quotes within an hour or so of my.....uhhhh, Hypo's starting the thread. Everyone knows it takes hours and hours to type wiretaps and oldtimer into the search feature here and wait for the results to come up.

Stupid me. Busted yet again.
 
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Tam said:
Whitewing said:
This next thread has what may have been the very first posts of mine in the Political Forum after joining. I challenged OT on the following assertion of his and he didn't like it one bit:

So far- all I've seen is his return of some rights- like the rule of habeas corpus for all-

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38654&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=wiretaps&start=12

OT was talking about prisoners being held at Gitmo.

Here was OT's response to me:

WW- that article was from February...Since then they have been working diligently on setting up a system of military tribunals and federal courts to handle the hearings/trials....

Something that should have been done- and was ordered by the SCOTUS years ago--but that GW never did....You can't expect Obama or anyone to fix 8 years of Bush screwups in less than a month...
And I heard Holder tell Congress about a month ago that every individual case is now under review by Prosecuters to decide what will be done with the detainees- and whether they will be tried by military tribunal or federal court...


That thread was from Sept 2009. Of course, it should be noted that there are still individuals being held who have never been charged with a crime. Of course, what OT forgave Obama for not fixing in a month, I'm sure he'll forgive for not fixing in 4 years......Bush's fault of course.

:roll:

But Obama has fixed part of the problem in his own special kill list way. He will not be putting anybody new in Gitmo for a trial not even American citizens. He just drone attacks and kills anyone he thinks might have a hint of information that will help stop the next big terrorist attack on the US. NO new Prisoners means NO possible intel coming in to counter Obama's lies of saying the US is safe To Obama he wants everyone to believe NO INTEL = NO ATTACK COMING. When one does come like the Fort Hood Shooting, Christmas Day Bomber, Benghazi Embassy Attack Obama finds some crap for the media to spred so he doesn't have to answer the question to why didn't the government know and stop the attacks.

He wants everyone to believe now that Osama is dead, everyone is safe and nobody has to worry about terrorists ever again. :roll:

I'm surprised Obama didn't open the gates a Gitmo and let the prisoners go on a promise they will not go back to the battle field once Seal Team Six touched down on safe soil after taking out Osama and his body was dumped in the ocean. :roll:

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alice said:
Whitewing said:
Okay, since Hypo is failing at the job of care and feeding of this thread, I'll pick up the slack.

Here's one from 5 August 2007. OT was really really really p****d when he started this thread: Why GW needs to Be Challenged!!

Finally some more are wakening to the reason I've been saying that GW needs to be challenged and jerked up short on his reign of secrecy and going around or totally avoiding existing laws and the Constitution.....The last paragraph and especially the last sentence sums it up quite well :shock: :(

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20231&highlight=wiretaps

I'm betting he's really p****d today that Obama is doing the same. :lol: :roll:

Wow, white wing, you didn't give the hypocrite very long to respond. Looks like maybe an hour? And, it seems like you had all of your info ready to share, quickly. You and hypocrite must be pretty tight considering you live at somewhat opposite ends of the earth. I guess you guys have known each other a lifetime. That's nice...

:lol: :lol: Darn Alice-- you've learned why I don't always answer when one of the Siamese twins asks a question (especially when they start a baiting thread like this one)... Its more fun to watch them answer "each other"- and sometimes they even almost argue with "each other".... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
alice said:
Whitewing said:
Okay, since Hypo is failing at the job of care and feeding of this thread, I'll pick up the slack.

Here's one from 5 August 2007. OT was really really really p****d when he started this thread: Why GW needs to Be Challenged!!

Finally some more are wakening to the reason I've been saying that GW needs to be challenged and jerked up short on his reign of secrecy and going around or totally avoiding existing laws and the Constitution.....The last paragraph and especially the last sentence sums it up quite well :shock: :(

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20231&highlight=wiretaps

I'm betting he's really p****d today that Obama is doing the same. :lol: :roll:

Wow, white wing, you didn't give the hypocrite very long to respond. Looks like maybe an hour? And, it seems like you had all of your info ready to share, quickly. You and hypocrite must be pretty tight considering you live at somewhat opposite ends of the earth. I guess you guys have known each other a lifetime. That's nice...

:lol: :lol: Darn Alice-- you've learned why I don't always answer when one of the Siamese twins asks a question (especially when they start a baiting thread like this one)... Its more fun to watch them answer "each other"- and sometimes they even almost argue with "each other".... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I keep forgetting that OT has mod power and reads that long line of PM's between my Siamese brother and me before he starts one of these bait threads.

And all this time I thought you didn't want to answer OT because you'd look like an even bigger fool than has already been established.

You sly old fox. :lol:
 

kolanuraven

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TAM!!! You're back!!


Sweetheart, you have no idea how that shrill, condesending tone of yours was missed!

I noticed it right off in fact.....

Glad to see that you're the same ol' 'tart' self that we know and love!!
 
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