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Obama Slaps Vietnam vets

Big Muddy rancher

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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/obama-would-like-to-inform-you-ho-chi-minh-was-totally-inspired-by-thomas-jefferson/

As well and all Americans past and present. :?
 

Steve

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Obama never fails to insult freedom... and praise murderous communists..

but this stoops to a new low for the comrade obama

You don’t even have to know anything about history to know that the likes of Stalin and Ho Chi Minh are not on the list of people you should be tacitly praising.

Estimates run as high as half-a-million killed in Ho’s effort to consolidate power after his communist forces drove the French out of Indochina. The killing of landlords and bourgeois-class merchants was famous even in its day and since then has been documented in even more horrifying detail.

Following the final U.S. retreat from Vietnam untold thousands of Vietnamese, deemed collaborators by the regime, were put to death. He and his Leninist regime used V.I. Lenin’s tactics: murder, terror and “reeducation” to obtain, maintain and expand power.

like many communists,.. Ho initial speeches and actions were admirable... but soon turned into a bloodbath..
http://www.commandposts.com/2011/08/ho-chi-minh-and-thomas-jefferson/

many do not know the history of ho and how he initially turned to the United States for support after WW2 but Roosevelt sided with the French instead. (just as Eisenhower turned Castro away).

While history is "technically" on Obama's side in this issue.. in that Ho's speech used our Declaration of Independence to win over the Vietnamese citizens,.. it was clear even then that Ho was a communist, even betraying a close family friend to get reward money to start his communist movement in 1925
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

As we all know what is said in a speech to win an office is often not based in reality when it comes to communist leaders..

Either way it is not a point comrade Obama should have made.
 

littlejoe

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"we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson.”

This is how it was explained to me by "Mr Too", operator of a tea house next to a former French foreign legion base outside of Saigon, in 1969.

Mr Too had emigrated to the south after uncle ho got in power. Mr Too was educated in Paris, also U.S, quite intelligent articulate gentleman.

I've often wondered what it would have been like if the U.S. had welcomed Vietnam as the bastion of freedom we professed to be---and told the French "yes, you've helped us in the past, we've paid it back with blood in last 2 world wars---hope to still be friends, BUT the age of imperialism is over and we support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves.
 

Whitewing

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littlejoe said:
I've often wondered what it would have been like if the U.S. had welcomed Vietnam as the bastion of freedom we professed to be---

Could you provide some additional information on the above statement? I honestly don't understand the context.

....and we support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves.

From what I recall, the main fear of the day was that Vietnam would be anything but free to govern themselves; that it would instead fall like any of a number of communist dominoes in the region.
 

Steve

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Ho was a communist... he often told the people what they wanted to hear...

In the Soviet Union and China

In 1923, Nguyễn (Ho) left Paris for Moscow, where he was employed by the Comintern, studied at the Communist University of the Toilers of the East,[14][15] and participated in the Fifth Comintern Congress in June 1924, before arriving in Canton (present-day Guangzhou), China, in November 1924.

In 1925–26 he organized "Youth Education Classes" and occasionally gave socialist lectures to Vietnamese revolutionary young people living in Canton at the Whampoa Military Academy. These young people would become the seeds of a new revolutionary, pro-communist movement in Vietnam several years later. According to Duiker, he lived with and married a Chinese woman, Tang Tuyet Minh (Zeng Xueming), on 18 October 1926.[16] When his comrades objected to the match, he told them, “I will get married despite your disapproval because I need a woman to teach me the language and keep house.”[16] She was 21 and he was 36.[16] They married in the same place where Zhou Enlai had married earlier, and then lived in the residence of a Comintern agent, Mikhail Borodin.[16]

Hoang Van Chi argued that in June 1925, Nguyễn betrayed Phan Boi Chau, the famous leader of a rival revolutionary faction and his father's old friend, to French Secret Service agents in Shanghai for 100,000 piastres.[17] A source states that Nguyễn later claimed he did it because he expected Chau's trial to stir up anti-French resentment, and because he needed the money to establish a communist organization.[17] In Ho Chi Minh: A Life, William Duiker repudiated this hypothesis. Other sources claim that Nguyen Thuong Hien was responsible for Chau's capture. Chau, sentenced to lifetime house arrest, never denounced Nguyễn Ái Quốc.

Chiang Kai-shek's 1927 anti-communist coup triggered a new era of exile for Nguyễn. He left Canton again in April 1927 and returned to Moscow,

He remained in Thailand, staying in the Thai village of Nachok,[18] until late 1929 when he moved on to India, then Shanghai. In early 1930, in Hong Kong, Nguyễn Ái Quốc chaired a meeting with representatives from two Vietnamese communist parties in order to merge them into a unified organization, Communist Party of Vietnam. In June 1931, he was arrested in Hong Kong. To reduce French pressure for extradition, it was (falsely) announced in 1932 that Nguyễn Ái Quốc had died.[19] The British quietly released him in January 1933.

He moved to the Soviet Union, where he spent several years recovering from tuberculosis. It is said that in this period he lost his positions in the Comintern because of a concern that he had betrayed the organization. His influence among his Vietnamese comrades faded significantly.

In 1938, he was allowed to return to China and served as an advisor with Chinese Communist armed forces, which later forced China's government into exile on Taiwan.

He was jailed in China by Chiang Kai-shek's local authorities before being rescued by Chinese Communists.[24] Following his release in 1943, he returned to Vietnam.

no one could dismiss ho's 20 plus years of promoting communism with one speech aimed at winning over the people... except one who does not read or understand history.. or another communist...

but if that isn't enough proof..
1945, in a power struggle, the Viet Minh killed members of rival groups, such as the leader of the Constitutional Party, the head of the Party for Independence.

All rival political parties were hereafter banned and local governments were purged[37] to minimize opposition later on.

commie policy right down to the purges.. tell the people what they want to hear,.. and then kill anyone who may threaten your consolidation of power..

Stalin would have been proud of the little twerps...
 

Steve

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and we support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves.

we actually did... "support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves"

in fact we did so with the blood of 60,698 dead or missing,.. and 153,303 wounded Americans...

a quick look at history shows Ho was not content with an agreement he pushed for and wanted to "force" all of Vietnam to submit to his rule..

The 1954 Geneva Accords, concluded between France and the Viet Minh, provided Vietminh forces would regroup in the North and the anti-communist & pro-democracy forces regroup in the South. Ho's Democratic Republic of Vietnam relocated to Hanoi and became the government of North Vietnam, a communist-led single party state.

Following the Geneva Accords, there was to be a 300-day period in which people could freely move between the two regions of Vietnam, later known as South Vietnam and North Vietnam. More than 1 million North Vietnamese people fled to the South, while a much smaller number moved North.[49] It is estimated that as many as two million more would have left had they not been stopped by the Viet Minh.

With respect to the question of reunification, the non-communist Vietnamese delegation objected strenuously to any division of Vietnam, but lost out when the French accepted the proposal of Viet Minh delegate

The United States countered with what became known as the "American Plan," with the support of South Vietnam and the United Kingdom.[53] It provided for unification elections under the supervision of the United Nations, but was rejected by the Soviet delegation and North Vietnamese.[53]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

then after killing a half million of his own people for no good reason other then he felt it was necessary to purge the country of anyone who may think about disagreeing with his communist agenda, ,... Then ho turned his murderous rage on to the south,.. attacked and went to war with South Vietnam Laos and Cambodia in 1959

in early 65 we entered the war and tried to "support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves"

and spilled the blood of 60,698 dead or missing,.. and 153,303 wounded Americans... so they could be free and govern themselves...

but for many on the left only the rights of the communist genocidal regime mattered...
 

Faster horses

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Steve said:
and we support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves.

we actually did... "support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves"

in fact we did so with the blood of 60,698 dead or missing,.. and 153,303 wounded Americans...

a quick look at history shows Ho was not content with an agreement he pushed for and wanted to "force" all of Vietnam to submit to his rule..

The 1954 Geneva Accords, concluded between France and the Viet Minh, provided Vietminh forces would regroup in the North and the anti-communist & pro-democracy forces regroup in the South. Ho's Democratic Republic of Vietnam relocated to Hanoi and became the government of North Vietnam, a communist-led single party state.

Following the Geneva Accords, there was to be a 300-day period in which people could freely move between the two regions of Vietnam, later known as South Vietnam and North Vietnam. More than 1 million North Vietnamese people fled to the South, while a much smaller number moved North.[49] It is estimated that as many as two million more would have left had they not been stopped by the Viet Minh.

With respect to the question of reunification, the non-communist Vietnamese delegation objected strenuously to any division of Vietnam, but lost out when the French accepted the proposal of Viet Minh delegate

The United States countered with what became known as the "American Plan," with the support of South Vietnam and the United Kingdom.[53] It provided for unification elections under the supervision of the United Nations, but was rejected by the Soviet delegation and North Vietnamese.[53]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

then after killing a half million of his own people for no good reason other then he felt it was necessary to purge the country of anyone who may think about disagreeing with his communist agenda, ,... Then ho turned his murderous rage on to the south,.. attacked and went to war with South Vietnam Laos and Cambodia in 1959

in early 65 we entered the war and tried to "support Vietnam's right to be free and govern themselves"

and spilled the blood of 60,698 dead or missing,.. and 153,303 wounded Americans... so they could be free and govern themselves...

but for many on the left only the rights of the communist genocidal regime mattered...

To me, that's just about when the 'worm turning' accelerated.
 
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