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Obama to control Internet?

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to “declare a cybersecurity emergency” and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any “critical” information network “in the interest of national security.” The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president.
The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce “access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access.” This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws.

Section 14 may be a bigger problem. It essentially revokes all privacy safeguards on Internet use for all networks. The Fourth Amendment would go straight out the window with the explicit inclusion of “private sector owned critical infrastructure information systems and networks.” While Section 18 limits jurisdiction to federal networks, Section 14 allows the government to go after private networks without search warrants. The section also doesn’t limit the jurisdiction to acute attacks, either. That jurisdiction exists at all times.

http://cdt.org/security/CYBERSEC4.pdf
 

Broke Cowboy

Well-known member
There are countries out there besides the U.S. of A. that use satellite internet in a big way - shut down even a portion of internet capability in the U.S. of A. could only be accomplished by doing the same to outside agencies - for sure this will make some folks not only nervous, but angry.

Going to be interesting to see if he is able - or be willing - to shut down foreign satellites as well - after all, that dish in your yard can connect to a lot of places other than the United States.

This could create another type of emergency and in fact could be considered a precursor to hostilities by some countries.

In this day and age it is not as easy - or as simple - as it would seem to control anyone or anything.

BC
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Most of ya'll thought it WONDERFUL when the Patriot Act went into effect and phone calls could and were intercepted, banks and accounts peeked into.


Why squeal now...you should be used to Big Brother looking over your shoulder.

Like many of you said, " doesn't bother me, I don't have anything to hide"
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Larrry said:
So kola what's your opinion of the patriot act?


Another useless law created out of over reaction of Congress and an opportunity seen by Cheney and co.

I think it sucks and if people in the ' spy' buisness do their job.....you would not need such a vague ' act' to cover their azzes with.
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Another useless law created out of over reaction of Congress and an opportunity seen by Cheney and co.

I think it sucks and if people in the ' spy' buisness do their job.....you would not need such a vague ' act' to cover their azzes with.

I agree kola. I also don't like the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 .
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Larrry said:
So kola what's your opinion of the patriot act?


Another useless law created out of over reaction of Congress and an opportunity seen by Cheney and co.

I think it sucks and if people in the ' spy' buisness do their job.....you would not need such a vague ' act' to cover their azzes with.

How did Obama vote on that?
 

Tam

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Larrry said:
So kola what's your opinion of the patriot act?


Another useless law created out of over reaction of Congress and an opportunity seen by Cheney and co.

I think it sucks and if people in the ' spy' buisness do their job.....you would not need such a vague ' act' to cover their azzes with.

How did Obama vote on that?

Mar 2006 vote taken to re-enact the Patriot act once it expired
A bill to extend and modify authorities needed to combat terrorism, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 89
NAYs 10
Not Voting 1


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Not Voting
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
89 to 10 in favor of extending.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Most of ya'll thought it WONDERFUL when the Patriot Act went into effect and phone calls could and were intercepted, banks and accounts peeked into.


Why squeal now...you should be used to Big Brother looking over your shoulder.

Like many of you said, " doesn't bother me, I don't have anything to hide"

We just wish you would HIDE. :D :D
 

Steve

Well-known member
KolanuRaven
" doesn't bother me, I don't have anything to hide"


while I still don't care if they monitor the internet for security threats as i still don't have anything to hide..

there is a big difference between monitor and shut down.. "Cheney and Co" were willing to monitor and take actions against those who were going to harm our security..

how does that translate into "shut down the internet" an action that would go against the free communication of all law abiding citizens?
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
" doesn't bother me, I don't have anything to hide"


while I still don't care if they monitor the internet for security threats as i still don't have anything to hide..

there is a big difference between monitor and shut down.. "Cheney and Co" were willing to monitor and take actions against those who were going to harm our security..

how does that translate into "shut down the internet" an action that would go against the free communication of all law abiding citizens?



How do you read THAT into the post? :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Another useless law created out of over reaction of Congress and an opportunity seen by Cheney and co.

I think it sucks and if people in the ' spy' buisness do their job.....you would not need such a vague ' act' to cover their azzes with.

How did Obama vote on that?

Mar 2006 vote taken to re-enact the Patriot act once it expired
A bill to extend and modify authorities needed to combat terrorism, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 89
NAYs 10
Not Voting 1


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Not Voting
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
89 to 10 in favor of extending.

Wouldn't that make Obama part of the "Cheney and Co."?
 

Steve

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
" doesn't bother me, I don't have anything to hide"


while I still don't care if they monitor the internet for security threats as i still don't have anything to hide..

there is a big difference between monitor and shut down.. "Cheney and Co" were willing to monitor and take actions against those who were going to harm our security..

how does that translate into "shut down the internet" an action that would go against the free communication of all law abiding citizens?



How do you read THAT into the post? :roll: :roll:

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to “declare a cybersecurity emergency” and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any “critical” information network

seems to me it all depends on what your definition of "shut down" is...
:roll: :roll: :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
If Terrorists are sophisticated enough to swith ISP's, then we should be able to find, track and shut down those specific ISP's, don't you think?

You don't need to shut down the whole internet, read the bill and get back to us Reader, see if that's all it includes!

Weren't you guys crying about the infringement of civil liberties when Bush was President?
 

Steve

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
You do realize that the terrorists are very sophisticated in terms of use of the Internet for propaganda, training, recruitment, and comms, don't you? We shut down one ISP supplying them and they go to another. You also realize that so much of the world's critical infrastructure involves the Internet or computers that could be compromised?

So if there were a major cyberattack that threatened our banks or damns, you would like our administration to just look the other way?

No,.. but I would like the same consistent response of outrage from the liberals that bashed Bush for wanting to monitor it, who now think shutting it down after monitoring it is ok...


and it sure is one big step from shutting an ISP down to sections of the internet... and is eerily similar to the chinese policy.. yet still no concern from the left about oppression of rights?..
 

hopalong

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
" doesn't bother me, I don't have anything to hide"


while I still don't care if they monitor the internet for security threats as i still don't have anything to hide..

there is a big difference between monitor and shut down.. "Cheney and Co" were willing to monitor and take actions against those who were going to harm our security..

how does that translate into "shut down the internet" an action that would go against the free communication of all law abiding citizens?



How do you read THAT into the post? :roll: :roll:

The same way anyone who can READ would see it!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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