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obama , you need to get on this Birth Certificate thing

hypocritexposer

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more and more people are becoming "birthers" and you have only yourself to blame.

NASHVILLE – Just as a tea-party convention crowd gathered to discuss strategy for the movement, one woman stepped forward to the microphone – holding up two Hawaiian long-form birth certificates and a copy of President Obama's purported short-form certification of live birth – and, referencing the short form, she told the crowd, "This piece of junk is what you get when you don't have one of these!"

The crowd went wild, clapping and cheering.

When the forum was over, tea partiers scrambled around a table to see and photograph her original documents.

The woman, Miki Booth, originally from Hawaii, is running for the U.S. House of Representatives in Oklahoma's second district as an independent constitutional conservative. She had presented original long-form birth certificates belonging to her son and husband, dated 1981 and 1949.

"They are the 'vault' copies of the original ones filled out at the hospital and sent to the Hawaii State Department of Health Vital Statistics Office," Booth told WND. "It is from this office that the newspapers get their stats for births, deaths and marriages to announce in the newspapers."

Her husband, Fred, and son, Alan, were born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii – the same hospital declared as Obama's birthplace in a purported letter from the president.

"If he is going to claim he was born in Kapi'olani like my husband and my son, then I want him to show proof," Booth said, explaining that a certification of live birth only shows that a live baby was born – and not necessarily in Hawaii.

"What he's given us perpetuates the mystery of what he's covering up and gives us more reason to not trust him," she said.

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Asked what she thought of the crowd's overwhelmingly positive reaction when she presented the documents, Booth said, "I was pleased but not surprised, since I get that reaction every time I do it. I think people really appreciate when someone shows them they're not stupid. They know what's going on."

Most of the convention attendees appeared to rally around WND founder Joseph Farah as he presented his speech at the national convention Friday, referencing the eligibility issue. They gave him a standing ovation at the end of his speech. However, a small number of people suggested the topic shouldn't have surfaced at a tea party event.

"I would say those people have bought into the notion that it's a dead issue since it was 'proved' to them that Obama was born in Hawaii," Booth explained. "What proof were they convinced by? Bill O'Reilly saying so? Newscasters saying so? ACORN saying so? The Internet copy?"

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She continued, "I wonder if these same people think we shouldn't question his record of what passport he traveled to Pakistan with – or his Occidental records of foreign student funding and his Columbia records or his Harvard records or his Punahou records."
 

Liveoak

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:lol2:

On mob mentality:
"Another finding is the phenomenon of "scaling," whereby the actions of a single individual can shape the dynamics of entire crowd. For example, an individual's subtle stop-and-start movement amid panicked crowds caused larger waves, which then washed through the crowd, causing further obstructions and ultimately large-scale congestion. "The actions of a single individual can shape the dynamics of an entire crowd" he noted.

Torrens believes understanding the small-scale geographies of movement and body language can help identify the behavioral nuances that spark interactions within crowds. His team is extracting motion-capture data from videos of crowds to hone the agents' small-scale geographies of movement and body language.

"Every individual in the crowd brings social, environmental, cultural, gender and past-experience influences to the mix," Torrens said. "We also know individual behavior can be influenced negatively or positively by the crowd's collective psychology."

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Liveoak said:
:lol2:

On mob mentality:
"Another finding is the phenomenon of "scaling," whereby the actions of a single individual can shape the dynamics of entire crowd. For example, an individual's subtle stop-and-start movement amid panicked crowds caused larger waves, which then washed through the crowd, causing further obstructions and ultimately large-scale congestion. "The actions of a single individual can shape the dynamics of an entire crowd" he noted.

Torrens believes understanding the small-scale geographies of movement and body language can help identify the behavioral nuances that spark interactions within crowds. His team is extracting motion-capture data from videos of crowds to hone the agents' small-scale geographies of movement and body language.

"Every individual in the crowd brings social, environmental, cultural, gender and past-experience influences to the mix," Torrens said. "We also know individual behavior can be influenced negatively or positively by the crowd's collective psychology."

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Liveoak, you should educate yourself about the BC that was presented. It is an obvious forgery.
 

Liveoak

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There's nothing obvious about it, hypo! It's just more anti-Obama hysteria. What next? Some story that he secretely meets with terrorist coconut harvesters in the basement between the hours of 2 am-5 am on Sunday mornings? Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is a dipstick but some of this stuff people cook up is a bit far fetched. The same crowd that probably takes rides on UFO's.
 

hypocritexposer

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http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=397596&highlight=bugging#397596

start here, see if you can see a raised seal on what was presented as a BC.
 

Liveoak

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Hypo, please check this out:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Attempts top run the Obama out of office based on things like the birth certificate or an alleged fake college diplomas just aren't going to fly.
 

Tam

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Liveoak said:
Hypo, please check this out:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Attempts top run the Obama out of office based on things like the birth certificate or an alleged fake college diplomas just aren't going to fly.


Do you know who Factcheck is associated with? Some would say what you just did is no better than telling a person to tune into MSNBC to hear an un-bias story about The Great Obama. :wink:

They are associated with Annenberg Foundation and who worked for Annenberg Foundation as a Committee Organizer that can't organize himself out of a wet paper bag ? You getting the picture to why Factcheck has to be taken with a very large grain of salt when it comes to anything Obama?

Why doesn't Obama just show the long form BC as requested many times and stop the law suits and questioning stories? My answer I don't think he wants to end it, as everytime he needs something to distract attention from what he is doing the birther story re-surfaces. Remember Glenn's warning about while they are distracting you with one hand don't take your eye off the other. Heed the warning
 

Sandhusker

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Liveoak said:
There's nothing obvious about it, hypo! It's just more anti-Obama hysteria. What next? Some story that he secretely meets with terrorist coconut harvesters in the basement between the hours of 2 am-5 am on Sunday mornings? Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is a dipstick but some of this stuff people cook up is a bit far fetched. The same crowd that probably takes rides on UFO's.

You can brush it off if fits your agenda, but there are certain facts that remain; Obama has NEVER brought forward his long-form birth certificate. In fact, he has spent a great deal of money on lawyers to keep it hidden. He said that he would bring it out, but then pawned off a COLB as the cert. That begs the questions; Why the substitution of the COLB for the cert., why the expensive effort to keep the long-form hidden, and why the continual misrepresentation of his minions of the COLB as a long-form cert.?

There seems to be a whole lot of smoke here for no fire....
 

hypocritexposer

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Liveoak said:
Hypo, please check this out:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Attempts top run the Obama out of office based on things like the birth certificate or an alleged fake college diplomas just aren't going to fly.

I've checked that out over a year and a half ago. That's where I got the pictures of the COLB's that are in the thread I suggested you take a look at.

Factcheck shows pictures of at least 2, if not 3 different obama COLB's.

Why not take a look at the thread and we can have a civil discussion about it.
 

Liveoak

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Hypo, I read through the thread. Again, this idea of a fake birth certificate and fake graduation from Columbia / Harvard has been beat to death by people with a better eye that you and I do. The one from snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp is the digitized version, I believe.

As per snopes: "...the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth."

"Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advitiser and the Sat-Bulliten published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to Mr and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on 4 August 1961."
 

hypocritexposer

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The seal may not show through very well, but that does not explain that there is not enough room for the stamp at the bottom of the cert. Using the date bleed through as a reference point.
 

Sandhusker

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Liveoak, ""Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advitiser and the Sat-Bulliten published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to Mr and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on 4 August 1961."

That doesn't answer my three questions. If everything is so hunky-dory, why all the smoke? Why spend all that money defending against lawsuits that only seek a single document that Obama claims is legitimate?
 

Faster horses

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is still a lawsuit pending over this.
It was moved out of California where it was to be heard at first.
I'm sure we'll hear more about it.
 

Tam

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Liveoak said:
"Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advitiser and the Sat-Bulliten published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to Mr and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on 4 August 1961."


The birth announcement I read said they had a son on Aug 4 but it said nothing about him being born in Honolulu. :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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Sandhusker said:
Liveoak, ""Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advitiser and the Sat-Bulliten published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to Mr and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on 4 August 1961."

That doesn't answer my three questions. If everything is so hunky-dory, why all the smoke? Why spend all that money defending against lawsuits that only seek a single document that Obama claims is legitimate?

Besides that, we are not even talking location in this thread, just that the COLB presented by DailyKOS was a fake.
 
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