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Obamacare Death Panel's first murder

Faster horses

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Last week, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revoked its regulatory approval of the drug Avastin to treat late stage, metastatic breast cancer. Each year, the practicing oncologists chosen by 17,500 American women to save them from their life-threatening, heavily progressed cancer prescribe Avastin to treat them.

The FDA explained that it was revoking approval of the drug for that use because it decided that the drug does not provide "a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh the significant risk to patients." Risk? The drug is prescribed for women who are otherwise going to die from cancer unless the drug saves them at least for a time. The far greater risk to these women is from the FDA, not the drug.

As The Wall Street Journal said last Friday in response to the FDA's explanation:

Ponder that [word] "sufficient." The agency is substituting its own judgment about clinical meaningfulness for those of practicing oncologists and terminally ill cancer patients.

That FDA judgment was determined last summer by an internal agency panel of 13 experts, only two of whom were breast cancer oncologists, and none of whom were breast cancer patients.

from Vision to America news
 

Tam

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Welcome to Universal Health Care where Cost out weighs Benefit and Long wait times are the norm.

Why repeal of Obamacare is so important
Look to Canada to see why Obamacare must be repealed
By Klaus Rohrich Wednesday, December 8, 2010
If you want to know what life under Obamacare will be like in the very near future, then I recommend a visit to Canada. Due to government rationing, healthcare in Canada has all but imploded since the institution of a universal single-payer system back in 1984. Since 1984 (an fitting date, if ever the was one) Canada has been one of only three countries in the world where private healthcare is illegal. The other two are North Korea and Cuba, in case you’re wondering.

But it wasn’t always this way. Prior to 1984 the Canadian healthcare system was very likely the best in the world with the availability of both publicly funded and privately paid healthcare. Back in those days a call to one’s family doctor resulted in an appointment usually within 24-hours. Referrals to a specialist on average took less than a week and treatment thereafter did not involve unreasonably long wait times.

Canada Health Act, universal single-payer system
The difference between then and now is that individuals and families paid for government health insurance on a monthly basis and in many cases physicians charged a small additional fee above and beyond what was paid for by the government health insurance program. But the passage of the Canada Health Act (CHA) in 1984 changed all that.

Government healthcare monopoly, costs skyrocketed, unions and the bloated healthcare bureaucracy
The philosophy behind the CHA is that healthcare is a human right that should be free. We all know that anything “free” has no value and as such people started treating the Canadian healthcare system like an open bar, running to the doctor at every opportunity. In order to pay for this binge, provincial governments have imposed an additional tax, which was passed on to businesses in the form of payroll taxes. Since there was no competition in the government healthcare monopoly, costs skyrocketed as unions and the bloated healthcare bureaucracy ate up most of the available money. Now over 50% of most provincial budgets goes to the delivery of healthcare and projections in some provinces indicate this figure will rise to over 100% of provincial budgets.
Governments in Canada have long realized that the system is broken, but are unwilling to do anything to fix it. There have only ever been two remedies. The first was to ration healthcare by reducing the number of doctors in the system and limiting the procedures for which the government pays. Naturally, this resulted in shortages of available healthcare and an increase in wait times for treatment.

The second remedy was to shovel additional money into the bottomless healthcare pit in hopes that money would solve the problem. Of course all that juicy fresh cash was promptly gobbled up by public service unions and bureaucrats, who felt more entitled than the hapless patients they were serving.

It’s interesting to note the stark contrast between government provided healthcare and private healthcare, which consists of everything for which the government refuses to pay. Most public sector medical facilities in Canada are Kafkaesque labyrinths of drab waiting rooms with humorless attendants. Private medical facilities, on the other hand, are clean, cheerful and staffed with friendly, outgoing people. The former views the patient as a drain on resources, while the latter views the patient as a customer.

The average wait time for treatment in Canada is now 18.2 weeks
For over a decade wait times in Canada have increased and are continuing to increase exponentially as the system lurches from crisis to crisis like an inebriated circus fat lady. Most recently, the Fraser Institute, a conservative Canadian think tank has issued yet another report on the state of healthcare in Canada. The average wait time for treatment in Canada is now 18.2 weeks. Don’t let the word “average” throw you off because many procedures take considerably longer. For instance, according to this report there are some 90,000 Canadians waiting an average of 35.6 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

Today patients in Canada are waiting 141% longer for treatment than they did in 1993 and unless something changes, the situation will only get worse as the population ages.

This is the reason that Obamacare needs to be repealed as soon as humanly possible. As the law mandates certain types of medical insurance for all Americans, private insurers will get out of the business due to onerous regulations, such as being forced to underwrite policies for patients with pre-existing conditions without additional cost. Once that process is complete, welcome to soviet healthcare in America.

See for yourself what “free” healthcare has done for the quality of medicine
This isn’t to say that American healthcare couldn’t use some tweaking, like tort reform and increasing competition among insurers. But heaven forbid that a single-payer government monopoly healthcare system is instituted in the US. The net result will be a spectacular increase in the cost of delivering such care and a concomitant decline in quality and accessibility. If you doubt my word, then come to Canada and see for yourself what “free” healthcare has done for the quality of medicine.

Taken from Canada Free Press.
 

Steve

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The addition of bevacizumab to standard treatment can prolong the lives of breast and lung cancer patients by several months, at a cost of $100,000 a year in the United States.[34] For colorectal cancer, Robert J. Mayer wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that bevacizumab extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months vs. 15.6 months) in the initial study, at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.[35] Costs in other countries vary; in Canada it is reported to cost $40,000 CAD per year.[36]

so what they are basically saying is that Death is a better option the living another four to five months?
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
The addition of bevacizumab to standard treatment can prolong the lives of breast and lung cancer patients by several months, at a cost of $100,000 a year in the United States.[34] For colorectal cancer, Robert J. Mayer wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that bevacizumab extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months vs. 15.6 months) in the initial study, at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.[35] Costs in other countries vary; in Canada it is reported to cost $40,000 CAD per year.[36]

so what they are basically saying is that Death is a better option the living another four to five months?

of course you do not understand that cancer is a fungus caused by candida which means it can be stopped with simple baking soda. the reason we do not use baking soda to kill the fungus is there is not money in that. just like running cars on water instead of gas is not done as there is no money in that either....but, morons go and being morons right Steve.
 

Steve

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Shampooie said:
..but, morons go and being morons right Steve.

yep, your right about that.... nothing has changed since the last time you talked to yourself... your still a moron :? :? :roll: :lol:

Merry Christmas.
 

Tam

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shaumei said:
Steve said:
The addition of bevacizumab to standard treatment can prolong the lives of breast and lung cancer patients by several months, at a cost of $100,000 a year in the United States.[34] For colorectal cancer, Robert J. Mayer wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that bevacizumab extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months vs. 15.6 months) in the initial study, at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.[35] Costs in other countries vary; in Canada it is reported to cost $40,000 CAD per year.[36]

so what they are basically saying is that Death is a better option the living another four to five months?

of course you do not understand that cancer is a fungus caused by candida which means it can be stopped with simple baking soda. the reason we do not use baking soda to kill the fungus is there is not money in that. just like running cars on water instead of gas is not done as there is no money in that either....but, morons go and being morons right Steve.

It must be true as Shamoo has two doctors that stand behind his claims, :wink: to bad they are also standing behind bars for killing their patients for using their MIRCLE CURES. :roll:


Famous Miracle Cure Hucksters

Lemonade: Won't Cure Cancer (Wiki Commons)Two of the most famous miracle cancer cures circulating on the Internet can be traced back to noted charlatans Stanley Burroughs and Tullio Simoncini. Self-professed physician Burroughs claimed that his Master Cleanse fasting diet could cure cancer. However, this "miracle cure" was debunked when Burroughs treated a terminal cancer patient with the fast, as well as numerous other unorthodox cancer treatments, and was charged by the California courts for second-degree murder in 1984. Secondary charges included practicing medicine without a license and selling a false cancer cure.
But Burroughs was not the only huckster charged with using false cancer cures. Simoncini's medical credentials were stripped by the Italian medical board due to wrongful death and swindling. However, this did not preclude him from practicing "alternative" medicine in Italy and the Netherlands by injecting cancer patients with baking soda. After a 50-year-old breast cancer patient died in an Amsterdam Hospital due to a baking soda injection in 2007, the Netherlands Health Inspectorate took action against Simoncini and issued a stern warning to other physicians that they would be investigated if they used baking soda to "cure" cancer.
Despite evidence that Burroughs' and Simoncini's miracle cures are ineffective, misinformation about the Master Cleanse (sometimes known as the Lemon Detox, Lemonade Diet or Maple Syrup Diet) and the baking soda cancer cure continues to be readily available on the Internet.
Read more: About Miracle Cures for Cancer | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5256677_miracle-cures-cancer.html#ixzz18tUqoNoI
 

MoGal

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What may work for one person doesn't always work for another.

Royal Raymond Rife and Johanna Budwig are examples of two who cured cancer by other means.
When you realize that any company sold on the stock exchange is in it to make money for its stockholders. It is not profitable for you to be healthy as pharma is sold on the stock exchange.

One must wonder why of all the pharmaceuticals manufactured in the world, the US consumes half of it.............. A nation with 300 million people is consuming 50% of pharmaceuticals? Why??

Dr. Blaylock was on Your Health with Dr. Becker last week and he was saying most vaccines are manufactured in China. The FDA inspects US plants every 2 years and actually gets to go inside them.......... not in China. The FDA is not allowed inside the buildings in China and we have to accept the Chinese governments word that the vaccines were made safely and inspections are conducted every 12 years. Actually I don't see how they can call it an inspection since they aren't allowed in the buildings. That's one more reason to not get vaccines.

If scientists have to make mice iodine deficient in order to inject them with breast cancer cells so they will have breast cancer, I wonder what iodine would do if they gave it to women who actually had breast cancer?? If the 2nd leading cause of cancer is parasites, I wonder how much misery could be avoided if the dr would just worm his patient?? 80% of colon cancer is caused by parasites.....

When the Mayo clinic has said that 97% of chronic sinus is caused by fungus, does it make you wonder why your doctor prescribes antibiotics instead of antifungal drugs. Antibiotics have mycostatins which cause fungus.

Finally you have to ask yourself why a doctor goes 8 years to school, has to have 60 to 80 hours of pharmacology, but is only required 3 hours of nutrition??? Shouldn't a dr. be telling his patients how to nutritionally stay healthy instead of pushing pills?
 

jingo2

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Steve said:
The addition of bevacizumab to standard treatment can prolong the lives of breast and lung cancer patients by several months, at a cost of $100,000 a year in the United States.[34] For colorectal cancer, Robert J. Mayer wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that bevacizumab extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months vs. 15.6 months) in the initial study, at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.[35] Costs in other countries vary; in Canada it is reported to cost $40,000 CAD per year.[36]

so what they are basically saying is that Death is a better option the living another four to five months?

In some instances living is worse than passin on..........
 

jingo2

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shaumei said:
Steve said:
The addition of bevacizumab to standard treatment can prolong the lives of breast and lung cancer patients by several months, at a cost of $100,000 a year in the United States.[34] For colorectal cancer, Robert J. Mayer wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that bevacizumab extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months vs. 15.6 months) in the initial study, at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.[35] Costs in other countries vary; in Canada it is reported to cost $40,000 CAD per year.[36]

so what they are basically saying is that Death is a better option the living another four to five months?

of course you do not understand that cancer is a fungus caused by candida which means it can be stopped with simple baking soda. the reason we do not use baking soda to kill the fungus is there is not money in that. just like running cars on water instead of gas is not done as there is no money in that either....but, morons go and being morons right Steve.

Are you the King Moron??? Geeezzz...how stupid
 
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Anonymous

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MoGal said:
What may work for one person doesn't always work for another.

Royal Raymond Rife and Johanna Budwig are examples of two who cured cancer by other means.
When you realize that any company sold on the stock exchange is in it to make money for its stockholders. It is not profitable for you to be healthy as pharma is sold on the stock exchange.

One must wonder why of all the pharmaceuticals manufactured in the world, the US consumes half of it.............. A nation with 300 million people is consuming 50% of pharmaceuticals? Why??

Dr. Blaylock was on Your Health with Dr. Becker last week and he was saying most vaccines are manufactured in China. The FDA inspects US plants every 2 years and actually gets to go inside them.......... not in China. The FDA is not allowed inside the buildings in China and we have to accept the Chinese governments word that the vaccines were made safely and inspections are conducted every 12 years. Actually I don't see how they can call it an inspection since they aren't allowed in the buildings. That's one more reason to not get vaccines.

If scientists have to make mice iodine deficient in order to inject them with breast cancer cells so they will have breast cancer, I wonder what iodine would do if they gave it to women who actually had breast cancer?? If the 2nd leading cause of cancer is parasites, I wonder how much misery could be avoided if the dr would just worm his patient?? 80% of colon cancer is caused by parasites.....

When the Mayo clinic has said that 97% of chronic sinus is caused by fungus, does it make you wonder why your doctor prescribes antibiotics instead of antifungal drugs. Antibiotics have mycostatins which cause fungus.

Finally you have to ask yourself why a doctor goes 8 years to school, has to have 60 to 80 hours of pharmacology, but is only required 3 hours of nutrition??? Shouldn't a dr. be telling his patients how to nutritionally stay healthy instead of pushing pills?

MoGal,

thanks for standing up for the truth. these people on here are so brainwashed it is unbelieveable. I am trying to help them understand they have been lied to over and over by tv, radio, and newspapers. yet, they hang on very tight here.
 

gcreekrch

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Two years ago a friend of ours was sent home to die as he had not had any response to the cancer treatments given.

He started on a home remedy of Hydrogen Peroxide given him by another friend. This past summer he was back working, operating a Cat in the NWT. The doctors can't find a trace of cancer left in his body.

Not all home remedies are figments of people's imaginations and not all modern medicine is what it is cracked up to be. :wink:
 

Steve

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jingo2 said:
Steve said:
The addition of bevacizumab to standard treatment can prolong the lives of breast and lung cancer patients by several months, at a cost of $100,000 a year in the United States.[34] For colorectal cancer, Robert J. Mayer wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that bevacizumab extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months vs. 15.6 months) in the initial study, at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.[35] Costs in other countries vary; in Canada it is reported to cost $40,000 CAD per year.[36]

so what they are basically saying is that Death is a better option the living another four to five months?

In some instances living is worse than passin on..........

I don't Know about that, my life isn't so crappy that I have contemplated ending it, :?

either way,.. the choice should be with the individual and not by a government bureaucrat..
 
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Anonymous

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gcreekrch said:
Two years ago a friend of ours was sent home to die as he had not had any response to the cancer treatments given.

He started on a home remedy of Hydrogen Peroxide given him by another friend. This past summer he was back working, operating a Cat in the NWT. The doctors can't find a trace of cancer left in his body.

Not all home remedies are figments of people's imaginations and not all modern medicine is what it is cracked up to be. :wink:

thanks for your comments...you will find that the rest of my comments have facts behind them as well.....happy new year...!!
 

Steve

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gcreekrch said:
Two years ago a friend of ours was sent home to die as he had not had any response to the cancer treatments given.

He started on a home remedy of Hydrogen Peroxide given him by another friend. This past summer he was back working, operating a Cat in the NWT. The doctors can't find a trace of cancer left in his body.

Not all home remedies are figments of people's imaginations and not all modern medicine is what it is cracked up to be. :wink:

I agree,

my wife had cancer, had surgeries, chemo, and then she used supplements..

I wouldn't call any of them cures, but she is currently cancer free,..

the person who we talked to about alternative medication, preferred to use the terms, therapy, protocol,

but then again he wasn't claiming to cure cancer, I would be weary of anyone claiming to cure cancer.. even a MD,

what some fail to realize is cancer is an abnormal growth of cell tissue..

to cure it one would have to eliminate the abnormal cells,.. and not the cells that when normal, we need to live..

can a drug, remedy or protocol differentiate between a normal cell and one that is just growing to much or in the wrong place?

any malignant growth or tumor caused by abnormal and uncontrolled cell division; it may spread to other parts of the body through the lymphatic system or the blood stream
 

Steve

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MoGal said:
What may work for one person doesn't always work for another.

Finally you have to ask yourself why a doctor goes 8 years to school, has to have 60 to 80 hours of pharmacology, but is only required 3 hours of nutrition??? Shouldn't a dr. be telling his patients how to nutritionally stay healthy instead of pushing pills?

I also feel nutrition and taking care of your self is the best thing we can do in all aspects of our lives..

but,... I would be weary of anyone who claims to cure cancer,
 

gcreekrch

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Steve said:
MoGal said:
What may work for one person doesn't always work for another.

Finally you have to ask yourself why a doctor goes 8 years to school, has to have 60 to 80 hours of pharmacology, but is only required 3 hours of nutrition??? Shouldn't a dr. be telling his patients how to nutritionally stay healthy instead of pushing pills?

I also feel nutrition and taking care of your self is the best thing we can do in all aspects of our lives..

but,... I would be weary of anyone who claims to cure cancer,

I agree Steve, I also believe that state of mind has a lot to do with the outcome of most illnesses also.

I also believe that most veterinarians are better doctors than their human care counterparts. Medical doctors would have to do a lot more diagnosis if we only walked into the room and sat there for them to observe.
 
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Steve said:
MoGal said:
What may work for one person doesn't always work for another.

Finally you have to ask yourself why a doctor goes 8 years to school, has to have 60 to 80 hours of pharmacology, but is only required 3 hours of nutrition??? Shouldn't a dr. be telling his patients how to nutritionally stay healthy instead of pushing pills?

I also feel nutrition and taking care of your self is the best thing we can do in all aspects of our lives..

but,... I would be weary of anyone who claims to cure cancer,

Steve,

you are weary as you are brainwashed. first thing solving anything is knowledge. what is cancer...candida...iodine, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda all will kill candida which is a fungus. platinum will do it as well...

cancer is a money making scam....the biggest murder in the world...
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
Steve said:
MoGal said:
What may work for one person doesn't always work for another.

Finally you have to ask yourself why a doctor goes 8 years to school, has to have 60 to 80 hours of pharmacology, but is only required 3 hours of nutrition??? Shouldn't a dr. be telling his patients how to nutritionally stay healthy instead of pushing pills?

I also feel nutrition and taking care of your self is the best thing we can do in all aspects of our lives..

but,... I would be weary of anyone who claims to cure cancer,

Steve,

you are weary as you are brainwashed. first thing solving anything is knowledge. what is cancer...candida...iodine, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda all will kill candida which is a fungus. platinum will do it as well...

cancer is a money making scam....the biggest murder in the world...

and you are an idiot....to claim that anyone that has seen a loved one suffer, due to cancer is brainwashed.

How many loved ones have you prescribed baking soda to, that fully recovered? How many have gone into remission?

Why not tell us how you administer baking soda to a cancer patient? Do you sprinkle it onto their body, (for skin cancer) or adminster it IV, (for lung/throat cancer?

How about my relative that died, due to colon cancer, how would you have administered the baking soda for him, doctor shamoo?
 

Steve

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The theory is that hydrogen peroxide releases extra oxygen inside the body, killing viruses and bacteria. Shortt's patients, who get vitamins and nutrients intravenously, swear by hydrogen peroxide, even though there are no large-scale studies that prove it works.

Shortt diagnosed Luann Theinert with allergies, asthma, mononucleosis, and Lyme disease. She says hydrogen peroxide is the only thing that's helped: "When I first came here, I could not walk down the hall. I could hardly breathe."

Stories like hers helped convince Katherine Bibeau, a medical technologist, to travel all the way from Minnesota to see Shortt. Bibeau, a wife and mother of two, had been battling multiple sclerosis for two years, and was looking for any treatment that might keep her out of a wheelchair.

According to her husband, Shortt said hydrogen peroxide was just the thing. "He had said that there was other people who had been in wheelchairs, and had actually gone through treatment and were now walking again," says David Bibeau.

It didn't worry the Bibeaus that Shortt wasn't affiliated with any hospital or university – and that insurance didn't cover most of his treatments.

"He was a licensed medical doctor in Carolina," says Bibeau. "So I put my faith in those credentials."

In March 2004, Shortt gave Katherine Bibeau an infusion of hydrogen peroxide. According to his own records, she complained of "nausea," "leg pain," and later "bruises" with no clear cause.

"She went Tuesday, she went Thursday. And by 11 o'clock on Sunday, she died,"

If you search the medical literature, you won't find any rigorous scientific studies showing this treatment works. You will, however, find a number of cases in which hydrogen peroxide, used internally, caused fatal embolisms and blood disorders.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/22/60II/main703513.shtml

well at least he cured her MS...
 

Steve

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from a comment section.
Comment from Lia Vinueza
Time: January 18, 2009, 7:58 pm

Please keep away from baking soda for acid reflux.!!! I have been using it for years with good results, until last Dec.26/2008. The belching did not occur instead I had a rippped stomach!!!I had to undergo surgery, and the doctors are still amazed about my recovery, but other people can not be as lucky!!!!

with out scientific controls on studies, bad information gets out and literally can kill an unsuspecting naive person

I am sure that there are benefits of natural remedies, but uneducated quacks with huge egos, posing as informed practitioners make them dangerous..

and the end result is more regulations and less access to the remedies..

as I said, be weary of anyone promising a cure..
 
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