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ObamaCare Gutted

Mike

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I'll bet the insurance companies are squirming now. The deal Buckwheat cut with them to have gov't pay the premiums will not be good for them.
 
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Anonymous

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It doesn't affect me in the least bit-- but I find it sadly and sickly ironic- that you who wave the flag and bloviate about being "patriots" to proclaim your love of this country- will , in your hatred of the people and wish for anarchy in the country, cheer a move that could end up to 5 million people without any health care coverage... :shock: :( :( :cry:
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
It doesn't affect me in the least bit-- but I find it sadly and sickly ironic- that you who wave the flag and bloviate about being "patriots" to proclaim your love of this country- will , in your hatred of the people and wish for anarchy in the country, cheer a move that could end up to 5 million people without any health care coverage... :( :( :cry:

It's not the governments place to pay for health insurance.

Hatred & Anarchy? Pretty strong words even for a lying cowardly slob.

P.S. It will affect you in November.
President Obama’s old Harvard Law professor, Laurence Tribe, said that he “wouldn’t bet the family farm” on Obamacare’s surviving the legal challenges to an IRS rule about who is eligible for subsidies that are currently working their way through the federal courts.

“I don’t have a crystal ball,” Tribe told the Fiscal Times. “But I wouldn’t bet the family farm on this coming out in a way that preserves Obamacare.”

The law’s latest legal problem is that, as written, people who enroll in Obamacare through the federal exchange aren’t eligible for subsidies. The text of the law only provides subsidies for people enrolled through “an Exchange established by the State,” according to the text of the Affordable Care Act. Only 16 states decided to establish the exchanges.
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
It doesn't affect me in the least bit-- but I find it sadly and sickly ironic- that you who wave the flag and bloviate about being "patriots" to proclaim your love of this country- will , in your hatred of the people and wish for anarchy in the country, cheer a move that could end up to 5 million people without any health care coverage... :shock: :( :( :cry:

So is that how it works in your world OT?

If one expresses disagreement with a big government policy, one hates the people and wishes anarchy? Do you have any idea how stupid you look and sound and how bigoted you are?

Everyone gets health coverage in the US, no one is denied, not even the undocumented democrats pouring across the border.

You're a big-government tool fatman.
 

Steve

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Our county government is already seeing the effects of the law..

RIO GRANDE – A consequence of the Affordable Care Act has impacted Cape May County Board of Social Services. As of June 20, there were 1,684 applications awaiting processing for health insurance. The number swelled from former Family Medicaid, awaiting processing.

Freeholder Director Gerald Thornton informed other freeholders July 8. He believes the county is not alone carrying its added, unfunded burden due to the federal government’s movement into health care. He earlier voiced concern over the problem to the South Jersey Freeholders Association

“The Social Service board is feeling the pressure that employees at Social Services are having with the Affordable Care Act,” Thornton said July 8. “It’s a federal program that happened to be dumped on counties to sign up people on the Affordable Care Act. We are not short staffed, but with the numbers and the economy, we are up 23-24 percent, and that got the staff overburdened. On top of that we have 1,684 applications as of June 20. We can’t tolerate it when the feds dump on us.”
“We need at least three more employees and we don’t have the money (to hire more).

Sara E. Maloney, acting deputy director, Board of Social Services, confirmed the situation. When the ACA went into force in January, all those who were covered under Family Medicaid became covered by ACA. “People who were not eligible before are eligible now, and that increased the applications,” Maloney said.

Single individuals and couples are now able to get health insurance under provisions of the act, she noted. Also, under the federal “marketplace” applications “filter to us to determine eligibility for the clients,” she said.
http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/county+government/rio+grande/101692-thornton+cites+aca+overload+applicants


While the number of applicants and workload increased, “It did not come with any additional funding,” for staffing, Maloney said.
Three workers have been shifted from other duties into the Adult Medicaid Unit, which processes the applications. “That takes them from other processing work,” she added. “If we had three additional people we could handle Affordable Care Act.”

,.. yep.. unintended consequences.. or should I say unintended costs..
 
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Anonymous

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
It doesn't affect me in the least bit-- but I find it sadly and sickly ironic- that you who wave the flag and bloviate about being "patriots" to proclaim your love of this country- will , in your hatred of the people and wish for anarchy in the country, cheer a move that could end up to 5 million people without any health care coverage... :shock: :( :( :cry:

So is that how it works in your world OT?

If one expresses disagreement with a big government policy, one hates the people and wishes anarchy? Do you have any idea how stupid you look and sound and how bigoted you are?

Everyone gets health coverage in the US, no one is denied, not even the undocumented democrats pouring across the border.

You're a big-government tool fatman.

NO not everyone gets healthcare in the US- that is what the problem has been... Those that can't afford it- those with prior conditions, those that have reached the limit of pay out, etc., etc end up with no health care insurance and/or bills that bankrupt them and their business's/ranchs...So there alternative is to not get proper treatment or preventive care until often the condition is chronic...

I would have no problem with this ruling IF there was an alternative to take its place- but there isn't... The Mandate plan (essentially Obamacare) has been the Republican's alternative to universal healthcare for the past 40 years until Obama decided to agree to the plan :roll: ... So if Obamacare is thrown out we're back to square one with no alternative to go to...

With this negatively affecting so many people in a dozen states- I see this ruling being put on hold until the SCOTUS can rule-- So hopefully all these people aren't thrown out of their current insurance coverage...
Even someone like you can't really want that... :???:
 

Mike

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OT. You're pretty stupid. Those that CAN'T AFFORD healthcare insurance get Medicaid................................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

There's already a safety net.................... :wink:
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
It doesn't affect me in the least bit-- but I find it sadly and sickly ironic- that you who wave the flag and bloviate about being "patriots" to proclaim your love of this country- will , in your hatred of the people and wish for anarchy in the country, cheer a move that could end up to 5 million people without any health care coverage... :shock: :( :( :cry:

So is that how it works in your world OT?

If one expresses disagreement with a big government policy, one hates the people and wishes anarchy? Do you have any idea how stupid you look and sound and how bigoted you are?

Everyone gets health coverage in the US, no one is denied, not even the undocumented democrats pouring across the border.

You're a big-government tool fatman.

NO not everyone gets healthcare in the US- that is what the problem has been... Those that can't afford it- those with prior conditions, those that have reached the limit of pay out, etc., etc end up with no health care insurance and/or bills that bankrupt them and their business's/ranchs...So there alternative is to not get proper treatment or preventive care until often the condition is chronic...

I would have no problem with this ruling IF there was an alternative to take its place- but there isn't... The Mandate plan (essentially Obamacare) has been the Republican's alternative to universal healthcare for the past 40 years until Obama decided to agree to the plan :roll: ... So if Obamacare is thrown out we're back to square one with no alternative to go to...

With this negatively affecting so many people in a dozen states- I see this ruling being put on hold until the SCOTUS can rule-- So hopefully all these people aren't thrown out of their current insurance coverage...
Even someone like you can't really want that... :???:

Everyone gets healthcare OT, E V E R Y O N E

Not everyone has healthcare insurance, and NEVER will everyone have it because some won't get even if it's free.

I've never understood how anyone who can put together the funds to buy a ranch or start a successful business can't figure out how to keep themselves covered health-insurance-wise.

Buy a policy with a large deductible, $5,000 for example, and then keep at least $5,000 in the bank to cover those out-of-pocket expenses specifically.

The problem is that so many Americans live beyond their means, and like you, they look to government to bail them out when in a bind.
 

Whitewing

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You still didn't answer my question OT.

Because I'm against the concept of gubmint-sponsored healthcare, does that mean I hate the people and wish for anarchy?
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
OT. You're pretty stupid. Those that CAN'T AFFORD healthcare insurance get Medicaid................................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

There's already a safety net.................... :wink:

Wrong- there are many that can't fall under Medicaid because they earn too much or own too much property/business but don't earn enough to afford health insurance.... That was the ones these subsidies were meant for...

I have a good friend who is a farmer who just had his wife die... She had a stroke when she was in her 30's and could not get health insurance... He spent quite a chunk each month out of pocket to get her prescriptions- and prior to her death they ran up a $350,000 hospital bill... He had to sell off a big chunk of his land/his business to pay the hospital...

No insurance company would insure her because of her preexisting condition- and because he owned property/a business he didn't qualify for Medicaid...
And that's only one of many such stories I've heard...
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT. You're pretty stupid. Those that CAN'T AFFORD healthcare insurance get Medicaid................................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

There's already a safety net.................... :wink:

Wrong- there are many that can't fall under Medicaid because they earn too much or own too much property/business but don't earn enough to afford health insurance.... That was the ones these subsidies were meant for...

I have a good friend who is a farmer who just had his wife die... She had a stroke when she was in her 30's and could not get health insurance... He spent quite a chunk each month out of pocket to get her prescriptions- and prior to her death they ran up a $350,000 hospital bill... He had to sell off a big chunk of his land/his business to pay the hospital...

No insurance company would insure her because of her preexisting condition- and because he owned property/a business he didn't qualify for Medicaid...
And that's only one of many such stories I've heard...

Life's a bitch, then you die. It's not the responsibility of everyone else to make sure you can own land, businesses, etc and not cover your debts.

Conservative my ass.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT. You're pretty stupid. Those that CAN'T AFFORD healthcare insurance get Medicaid................................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

There's already a safety net.................... :wink:

Wrong- there are many that can't fall under Medicaid because they earn too much or own too much property/business but don't earn enough to afford health insurance.... That was the ones these subsidies were meant for...

I have a good friend who is a farmer who just had his wife die... She had a stroke when she was in her 30's and could not get health insurance... He spent quite a chunk each month out of pocket to get her prescriptions- and prior to her death they ran up a $350,000 hospital bill... He had to sell off a big chunk of his land/his business to pay the hospital...

No insurance company would insure her because of her preexisting condition- and because he owned property/a business he didn't qualify for Medicaid...
And that's only one of many such stories I've heard...

We can't help it if some are poor managers. :roll:

In this guys case, all he had to do was divorce his wife amicably with her giving him all her assets. Problem solved> Nothing would have really changed and she would be covered by Uncle Sam. You really are as stupid as you seem. :lol:

I hear a lot of tricks of the trade from the local Democrats. They have lessons in Church every Sunday..............
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT. You're pretty stupid. Those that CAN'T AFFORD healthcare insurance get Medicaid................................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

There's already a safety net.................... :wink:

Wrong- there are many that can't fall under Medicaid because they earn too much or own too much property/business but don't earn enough to afford health insurance.... That was the ones these subsidies were meant for...

I have a good friend who is a farmer who just had his wife die... She had a stroke when she was in her 30's and could not get health insurance... He spent quite a chunk each month out of pocket to get her prescriptions- and prior to her death they ran up a $350,000 hospital bill... He had to sell off a big chunk of his land/his business to pay the hospital...

No insurance company would insure her because of her preexisting condition- and because he owned property/a business he didn't qualify for Medicaid...
And that's only one of many such stories I've heard...

We can't help it if some are poor managers. :roll:

In this guys case, all he had to do was divorce his wife amicably with her giving him all her assets. Problem solved> Nothing would have really changed and she would be covered by Uncle Sam. You really are as stupid as you seem. :lol:

I hear a lot of tricks of the trade from the local Democrats. They have lessons in Church every Sunday..............

Alternately, she could have had insurance coverage when she was in her 30's. I'm betting she wasn't covered.
 

Tom in TN

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Unfortunately, another district court today ruled that the subsidies are legal, so now the battle of the courts begins. You know how that will turn out. I don't like it, but you have to know that Obamacare is here to stay. The big money boys have too much to lose by stopping it.

Tom in TN
 
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