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BREAKING: Here’s How the Obama Administration Wiretapped Trump
Originally when I heard about the Trump tweet about Donald Trump being wiretapped, I questioned it.

However, after doing a bit of digging, I have no doubt it was true. Further, it was indeed Obama who authorized the wiretap.

To further the Russian ruse, in June 2016, the Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA). The request was made in order to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. Their hopes were to connect then candidate Trump to the Russians. Much to the chagrin of Obama, FISA denied the request.

Thus again in October 2016 the Obama administration submitted a new, more narrow request to the FISA court. This request focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. Keep in mind, Obama knew there was no connection. He just needed access to Trump Tower in order to set up the wiretaps.
As expected, no evidence is found.

However the wiretaps continued under the guise of national security reasons, as Andrew McCarthy of National Review noted.

it has been shown the second request was denied, and then they went to a new judge and it was approved.. so we do not know if it was actually narrower.

At this point, we have Watergate 2.0…on steroids.

The Obama administration was now providing surveillance on an opposing presidential campaign, because we know that Obama was partnered with Hillary Clinton. Along with likely tipping off the Clinton campaign.

Hillary was thwarted, as we all know by now.


However what was NSA Director Mike Rogers’ role?

♦ On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.
♦ On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

After this,

♦ On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
How was President Trump informed about the wiretap? Who’s to say. But there apparently are people who still remain loyal to the Republic.

There is no way a weak-kneed sissy like Barack Obama will destroy America. He couldn’t do it as president, and he damn sure won’t do it as a citizen. If he keeps this up, he may find himself running to a country that won’t extradite him to the United States.

I believe Obama and his minions will find out soon enough that President Trump has no problem indicting them on treason or sedition.
 

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Could it get any worse?
Before you run off and disregard Trump’s tweet, understand that Obama had a history of illegally wiretapping people.

According to the New York Times,

Federal investigators secretly seized two months of phone records for reporters and editors of The Associated Press in what the news organization said Monday was a “serious interference with A.P.’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.”

The A.P. said that the Justice Department informed it on Friday that law enforcement officials had obtained the records for more than 20 telephone lines of its offices and journalists, including their home phones and cellphones. It said the records were seized without notice sometime this year.

The wiretapping of Associated Press journalists should be evidence enough to at least open an investigation into the possibility that the Obama administration would have wiretapped Trump Tower in an effort to gather information to slander Trump.
Turns out this wasn’t the only instance in which Obama had wiretapped journalists.

According to Fox News,

Newly uncovered court documents reveal the Justice Department seized records of several Fox News phone lines as part of a leak investigation — even listing a number that, according to one source, matches the home phone number of a reporter’s parents.

The seizure was ordered in addition to a court-approved search warrant for Fox News correspondent James Rosen’s personal emails. In the affidavit seeking that warrant, an FBI agent called Rosen a likely criminal “co-conspirator,” citing a wartime law called the Espionage Act.

Rosen was not charged, but his movements and conversations were tracked. A source close to the leak investigation confirmed to Fox News that the government obtained phone records for several numbers that match Fox News numbers out of the Washington bureau.

While we have yet to see actual proof of the wiretapping as of yet, here is some real proof as to why an investigation needs to be conducted. We are witnessing the Left lose their minds over the alleged ties between the Trump administration and the Russians with little to no evidence. If we are being told that an investigation needs to be conducted regarding Russian ties one would think investigating Obama wiretapping is a no-brainer.

didn't we have a free press?

Face it, Trump knows what he is doing.

Regardless of one’s take on Trump and his tweets, these are serious allegations and Trump would not post these tweets if there wasn’t substantial evidence to back up his claim!
 

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He was treated like a supreme leader by the media, the DOJ, the IRS, some in the CIA...we're finding out, and others. That's what happens when too many heads that should have oversight are happy to be blindly stuck in his ass.

Never trust a narcissist that asks a Marine to hold his umbrella.
 

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http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/
 

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And guess who might decide on the special prosecutor investigating Trump's ties to Russia? The Dems/Obama are doing this when they keep coming up with nothing. What a waste of time and money. But it is a great distraction to keep the good things Trump is trying to do out of the spotlight. They sure took away from his great speech to joint congress with this distraction.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/with-sessions-recusal-fmr-obama-appointee-may-decide-special-prosecutor-for-trump-russia-ties/
 

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From the article.
FISA court members trust the government is only bringing them surveillance about pending terror attacks or “grave hostile” war-like attacks, as the FISA statute limits itself to. Thus, a FISA application can only be used in very limited circumstances.

One important reminder about electronic surveillance. Occasionally, a law enforcement officer will hear or see or record information not allowed by the warrant, but incidental or accidental to otherwise lawful surveillance. Their job is to immediately stop listening, stop recording, and to delete such information. This is what you occasionally see in films where the agent in the van hears the conversation turn away from something criminal to a personal discussion, and the agent then turns off the listening device and stops the recording. Such films simply recognize long-standing legal practice.

FISA can only be used for “foreign intelligence information.” Now that sounds broad, but is in fact very limited under the law. The only “foreign intelligence information” allowed as a basis for surveillance is information necessary to protect the United States against actual or potential “grave” “hostile” attack, war-like sabotage or international terror. Second, it can only be used to eavesdrop on conversations where the parties to the conversation are a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. An agent of a foreign power cannot be a United States person unless they are knowingly involved in criminal espionage. No warrant is allowed on that person unless a FISA court finds probable cause the United States person is knowingly engaged in criminal espionage. Even then, if it involves a United States person, special steps must be taken to “minimize the acquisition and retention, and prohibit the dissemination, of non publicly available information concerning un-consenting United States persons.”

This includes procedures that require they never identify the person, or the conversation, being surveilled, to the public where that information is not evidence of a particular crime.


Third, the kind of information sought concerns solely information about a pending or actual attack on the country. That is why the law limits itself to sabotage incidents involving war, not any form or kind of “sabotage,” explicitly limiting itself to those acts identified in section 105 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

This bring us to Watergate-on-Steroids, or #ObamaGate. Here are the problematic aspects of the Obama surveillance on Trump’s team, and on Trump himself. First, it is not apparent FISA could ever be invoked. Second, it is possible Obama’s team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by withholding material information essential to the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance. Third, it could be that Obama’s team illegally disseminated and disclosed FISA information in direct violation of the statute precisely prohibiting such dissemination and disclosure. FISA prohibits, under criminal penalty, Obama’s team from doing any of the three.



Recognizing this information did not fit FISA meant having to delete it and destroy it. According to published reports, Obama’s team did the opposite: order it preserved, ordered the NSA to search it, keep it, and share it; and then Obama’s Attorney General issued an order to allow broader sharing of information and, according to the New York Times, Obama aides acted to label the Trump information at a lower level of classification for massive-level sharing of the information. The problem for Obama is simple — if it could fit a lower level of classification, then it had to be deleted and destroyed, not disseminated and distributed, under crystal clear FISA law.

the article is very interesting.. well worth reading thanks.. they should get him on MSNBC to explain the law to them.

Democrats may get the investigation they wanted, but it may be their own that end up named in the indictment.
 

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It reportedly a 5 year prison term for misusing FISA warrant and if Obama knew they were going after Trump for POLITICAL gain in the election that would be against the law and misusing FISA. Obama can't request the FIAS warrant but he was briefed on it and knew full well what was going on and if he did not say don't do it he needs to be held accountable for what happen. We have already seen two Obama people come out and admit the WH knew about the FISA warrant request so the rats are already jumping ship to protect themselves from the fire storm about to hit the walled up mansion Obama and his wives Michelle and Valerie live in.

Clapper just came out and said there was no FISA to wiretap but Clapper also testified to Congressional hearings NSA was not data mining US citizens so he is a proven liar to protect Obama Admin.
 

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Gowdy on Russian investigations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uouvldJ-Io0

No rules for Special Prosecutors so Dems yelling for one have no way to get one appointed by the sounds of it Just DOJ inspector do the job.

They need to get back to investigating Clintons and prove they can actually finish investigating an DC insider and get that person BEHIND PRISON BARS.
 

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Obama can't request the FIAS warrant but

Not quite true,...

The best example of this came from Ben Rhodes, a former senior adviser to President Obama in his role as deputy National Security Advisor, who slammed Trump's accusation, insisting that "No President can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you." He also said "only a liar" could make the case, as Trump suggested, that Obama wire tapped Trump Tower ahead of the election.

It would appear, however, that Rhodes is wrong, especially as pertains to matters of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance, and its associated FISA court, under which the alleged wiretap of Donald Trump would have been granted

In Chapter 36 of Title 50 of the US Code *War and National Defense", Subchapter 1, Section 1802, we read the following:

(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—

(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at—
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and

(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this title; and
if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.

so like Clapper said, no warrant..
 

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/occams-razor-did-nsa-admiral-mike-rogers-warn-trump-on-november-17th-2016/
 

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https://www.hermancain.com/why-yes-obama-did-try-to-wiretap-trump-tower
 

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Clapper is out saying No Wiretap but remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGYn7ER5U_0
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjToGCWpm-g
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9M5HlzCulc
 

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Got to love it, just weeks ago there were headlines about FBI will not knock down stories about NYT story that said they have lots of evidence as the FBI can't speak to every story when Priebus asked them to . NOW NYT is running a story about Comey asking the DOJ to speak up and knock down the story Trump tweeted about, about Obama Adm. was wire tapping Trump Tower. Could it be because Comey the top FBI official in the Obama Adm. was the one that applied for the FISA warrant that was used to WIRE TAP TRUMP TOWER.

I will say it again Comey should not be trusted and needs to be fired. He needs to come clean to what he did to aid Obama's White House and is still doing to aid his shadow government actions. If he does not want to be indicted himself he needs to turn States evidence against Obama, Jarrett, Lynch, Clapper and Brennen.
 

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Great links! Looks like Obama needed Hillary to win so he could get pardoned.
 

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I totally believe Obama did this and thought Hillary was going to Win so none of this would ever be found out. But Trump beat her and now he is scrambling to toss so much s*it at the wall that when this came out nobody would be paying attention.
 

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This isn't a "gate" the very tree of liberty is imperiled. As rotten as my opinion of Obama and his crew is, my imagination of corruption can't fathom their actions.
 

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Tam said:
I will say it again Comey should not be trusted and needs to be fired.

I have thought the same, but someone explained that as a director, Trump has more control now, and can compel testimony.

He does like to sing, so maybe it is good to keep him around for now..


Ironically.. :roll: :lol:
Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates were just two of the senior officials who apparently warned Comey that making the news public would go against the Justice Department’s standard operating procedure.

Despite that strong advice from senior officials, Comey decided to inform lawmakers about the newly discovered emails. “He is operating independently of the Justice Department. And he knows it,” a Post source said. Couldn’t Lynch and Yates have done more to prevent Comey from speaking up?
:? :???:

Maybe he knows how far and deep the rot goes?

Myself I think it is long past time to cull the DC herd.
 

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