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Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor

Yanuck

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Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

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HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.

Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.



WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.

Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.


The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.

The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.

WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.

The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.

Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.

In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.

The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.

"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."

Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174
 

burnt

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It would appear that either the man likes to promulgate needless controversy or he is ineligible for the office of president according to the constitution.

What reason would Grandma have for saying he was born in Kenya? Hello, USA, it appears that you are about to install your very first African president!!!!
 

jigs

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what happens if he is not legal?? are we stuck with Biden? will Pelosi get in there ??


I do not like this one bit. any one fighting so hard to keep things sealed, is hiding something.
 

Mike

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The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.

Let's see.......the courts have no jurisdiction, the voters themselves have no standing to know the truth.

That leaves Pelosi & Reed. Unless SCOTUS accepts the appeal. :???:
 

CattleArmy

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I don't understand why they would seal the birth certificate but what educated individual would run for something that as simple as a birth certificate could destroy? One day it will be unsealed and he has to know that. I like to think it's more of a privacy issue then a hiding issue.
 

TexasBred

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CattleArmy said:
I don't understand why they would seal the birth certificate but what educated individual would run for something that as simple as a birth certificate could destroy? One day it will be unsealed and he has to know that. I like to think it's more of a privacy issue then a hiding issue.

The same idiot who thought he could run Ayers, Wright, Farukkan and others under everyone's nose and nobody would notice.
 
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CattleArmy said:
I don't understand why they would seal the birth certificate but what educated individual would run for something that as simple as a birth certificate could destroy? One day it will be unsealed and he has to know that. I like to think it's more of a privacy issue then a hiding issue.

You wouldn't want anyone off the street walking in and requesting and getting a copy of your birth certificate- which they could take and get a Drivers License with- and adopt (steal) your identity and start charging huge bills to you :???:

All the states have put in rules on who can get birth certificates to deter identity theft...And you never get the original- as that is the governments copy...They always give a copy certified by the clerk to be a copy of the original.....
 

jigs

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Oldtimer, I understand and believe in those reasons for stopping any guy off the street from getting my personal records. BUT if my birth place was being questioned in a HUGE race, and I refused to show the certificate, that would mean only one thing. I had something to hide.

Obama is trying to unlawfully get into office. that is treason. treason is punishable by death.....

why won't Obama just show the evidence??
 
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jigs said:
Oldtimer, I understand and believe in those reasons for stopping any guy off the street from getting my personal records. BUT if my birth place was being questioned in a HUGE race, and I refused to show the certificate, that would mean only one thing. I had something to hide.

Obama is trying to unlawfully get into office. that is treason. treason is punishable by death.....

why won't Obama just show the evidence??

To WHO? The US doesn't have anything like a state registrar or secretary of state- that certifies such things......
He's shown a certified copy- and thats all he can do/get...Like I've said- these clerks and registrars don't give out originals as they are kept as the official government record...In all business- certified copies are accepted as sworn affidavits verifying they are facsimilies of the original...

As the US Federal Courts have now ruled at least 2 or 3 times- the only ones with standing to challenge his qualifications are the electors of the Electorial College- if they so deem its necessary...

Do you think that you can walk into your County registrar/clerk and he/shes going to let you walk out with your original birth certificate :???:
 

CattleArmy

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I know here you have to pay a fee to obtain a birth certificate from the state. It's not done overnight it involves some waiting.

I just can't think Obama is dumb enough to run for president if his birthplace would make him unable to complete his term if elected.
 

Mrs.Greg

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I would tend to think almost everyone has a copy of there original BC for the simple fact one can't get a passport without it.Its getting more and more the copy of the original is needed to be shown,even as kids enter school now. Nobody in Canada for sure hold there original one....that belongs to the government. We just get copies of the original.

So the prob with Obama is that the Repbs don't like the copy hes shown...?????
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
CattleArmy said:
I don't understand why they would seal the birth certificate but what educated individual would run for something that as simple as a birth certificate could destroy? One day it will be unsealed and he has to know that. I like to think it's more of a privacy issue then a hiding issue.

You wouldn't want anyone off the street walking in and requesting and getting a copy of your birth certificate- which they could take and get a Drivers License with- and adopt (steal) your identity and start charging huge bills to you :???:

All the states have put in rules on who can get birth certificates to deter identity theft...And you never get the original- as that is the governments copy...They always give a copy certified by the clerk to be a copy of the original.....

OT, I do know you cn get a certified copy of anything that is public record. Just the way the system works. Here's all you have to do in Texas. Not easy but doesn't appear to be impossible.

Certified Copy of a Birth Certificate
Ordering Birth Certificates through TexasOnline
Texas birth certificates can now be ordered through TexasOnline, the official eGovernment website for the State of Texas. The current estimated processing time for TexasOnline orders is 15-20 business days.

Birth certificates for births within the past 75 years are considered protected records, and TexasOnline has the following requirements for requesting these records:

If you reside in Texas, you can order your own record or the records of your immediate family members. If you live outside of Texas, you can order your own record or the record of your child, if you are listed as a parent on the record.
You must have a valid state-issued driver's license or government-issued ID card.
You must be ordering a record that is to be delivered within the United States, to U.S. territories or U.S. commonwealths, or to U.S. military addresses (APO, FPO).
You must have a valid credit card.
If you do not meet these criteria, you cannot use TexasOnline to request a birth certificate from the past 75 years, but you can make the request by following the instructions below.

 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
jigs said:
Oldtimer, I understand and believe in those reasons for stopping any guy off the street from getting my personal records. BUT if my birth place was being questioned in a HUGE race, and I refused to show the certificate, that would mean only one thing. I had something to hide.

Obama is trying to unlawfully get into office. that is treason. treason is punishable by death.....

why won't Obama just show the evidence??

To WHO? The US doesn't have anything like a state registrar or secretary of state- that certifies such things......
He's shown a certified copy- and thats all he can do/get...Like I've said- these clerks and registrars don't give out originals as they are kept as the official government record...In all business- certified copies are accepted as sworn affidavits verifying they are facsimilies of the original...

As the US Federal Courts have now ruled at least 2 or 3 times- the only ones with standing to challenge his qualifications are the electors of the Electorial College- if they so deem its necessary...

Do you think that you can walk into your County registrar/clerk and he/shes going to let you walk out with your original birth certificate :???:

Actually I have my original at home it's been there since shortly after I was born and it was recorded and returned. You mean you don't have yours??
 

Yanuck

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Mrs.Greg said:
I would tend to think almost everyone has a copy of there original BC for the simple fact one can't get a passport without it.Its getting more and more the copy of the original is needed to be shown,even as kids enter school now. Nobody in Canada for sure hold there original one....that belongs to the government. We just get copies of the original.

So the prob with Obama is that the Repbs don't like the copy hes shown...?????

Mrs. G.... here's Barack Obama's and another from a website...do you see any differences?

bo_birth_certificate_2.jpg


doc_decosta_pat_birth_2.jpg
 
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Yanuck said:
Mrs.Greg said:
I would tend to think almost everyone has a copy of there original BC for the simple fact one can't get a passport without it.Its getting more and more the copy of the original is needed to be shown,even as kids enter school now. Nobody in Canada for sure hold there original one....that belongs to the government. We just get copies of the original.

So the prob with Obama is that the Repbs don't like the copy hes shown...?????

Mrs. G.... here's Barack Obama's and another from a website...do you see any differences?

bo_birth_certificate_2.jpg


doc_decosta_pat_birth_2.jpg


Did you happen to notice the birth dates :???: Do you think they kept the same form for 30 years :???: Do you think they use the same form today as they did in 1930- or 1961 :???:

I know my birth certificate looks nothing like my grandkids....
 

Yanuck

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Oldtimer said:
Yanuck said:
Mrs.Greg said:
I would tend to think almost everyone has a copy of there original BC for the simple fact one can't get a passport without it.Its getting more and more the copy of the original is needed to be shown,even as kids enter school now. Nobody in Canada for sure hold there original one....that belongs to the government. We just get copies of the original.

So the prob with Obama is that the Repbs don't like the copy hes shown...?????

Mrs. G.... here's Barack Obama's and another from a website...do you see any differences?

bo_birth_certificate_2.jpg


doc_decosta_pat_birth_2.jpg


Did you happen to notice the birth dates :???: Do you think they kept the same form for 30 years :???: Do you think they use the same form today as they did in 1930- or 1961 :???:

I know my birth certificate looks nothing like my grandkids....

Has the punched seal changed...I looked at my kids' and their's all have it, the kinds that imprints through the paper? and apparently they did keep the same form as the only 2 things that are different is the punch stamp and the ink stamp on the back sideof the 2nd cert.
 

Mrs.Greg

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
jigs said:
Oldtimer, I understand and believe in those reasons for stopping any guy off the street from getting my personal records. BUT if my birth place was being questioned in a HUGE race, and I refused to show the certificate, that would mean only one thing. I had something to hide.

Obama is trying to unlawfully get into office. that is treason. treason is punishable by death.....

why won't Obama just show the evidence??

To WHO? The US doesn't have anything like a state registrar or secretary of state- that certifies such things......
He's shown a certified copy- and thats all he can do/get...Like I've said- these clerks and registrars don't give out originals as they are kept as the official government record...In all business- certified copies are accepted as sworn affidavits verifying they are facsimilies of the original...

As the US Federal Courts have now ruled at least 2 or 3 times- the only ones with standing to challenge his qualifications are the electors of the Electorial College- if they so deem its necessary...

Do you think that you can walk into your County registrar/clerk and he/shes going to let you walk out with your original birth certificate :???:

Actually I have my original at home it's been there since shortly after I was born and it was recorded and returned. You mean you don't have yours??
I can't really talk for the US but,greg went about two months ago to get his passport. He had his original "hospital" birth certificate....hand-foots prints,the whole nine yards. Was NOT valid....had to go to registry office to get the official one :???:


Yanuck...unfortunalty showing BC's that are yrs apart doesn't really help show a difference. Mine compared to my dads,compared to my kids:all of us born in Canada,are totally different.
 
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Anonymous

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Yanuck said:
Oldtimer said:
Yanuck said:
Mrs. G.... here's Barack Obama's and another from a website...do you see any differences?

bo_birth_certificate_2.jpg


doc_decosta_pat_birth_2.jpg


Did you happen to notice the birth dates :???: Do you think they kept the same form for 30 years :???: Do you think they use the same form today as they did in 1930- or 1961 :???:

I know my birth certificate looks nothing like my grandkids....

Has the punched seal changed...I looked at my kids' and their's all have it, the kinds that imprints through the paper?

Could have..It would depend, from state to state I imagine...My understanding from those that examined the Obama copy (another thread) is that the Obama copy shows the state certifier raised stamp on it....

I know my court certification stamp for certifying copies does not- just a place for the date and my signature....
 

Yanuck

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justify it any way you like, you can see one raised stamp the other you cannot, all Obama has to do it show it again (perhaps a diiferent angle will show the raised stamp) very simple, but he won't, and until he does, this won't go away
 
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Anonymous

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Yanuck said:
justify it any way you like, you can see one raised stamp the other you cannot, all Obama has to do it show it again (perhaps a diiferent angle will show the raised stamp) very simple, but he won't, and until he does, this won't go away

Nope- because the Repubs and namely McCain have nothing to bring up on the issues- and have to keep going back to these Karl Rovian doubt raising smears, and divisive tactics...(Remember when Bush brought up that McCain had fathered a 1/2 black child :???: )
Problem is- most folks lived thru it with the Bush campaign- and most educated folks now see thru it- and don't like it..
 
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