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Obama's Citizenship

lazy ace

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I just got this in an e-mail. It may have been around already.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

have a cold one

lazy ace
 

Mike

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I got this quote directly from the Barack Hussein Obama Website...."Fight The Smears". Read it very carefully:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

ESPECIALLY THE LAST LINE, "HIS KENYAN CITIZENSHIP AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRED ON AUG. 4, 1982."

They are finally admitting that he was ONCE a Kenyan native? :???:

Read it again............................

What about his Indonesian Citizenship that his adoptive father affirmed to when enrolling him in school in Indonesia?

I say he should lay all his papers out for all to see. If he doesn't have papers, then he's clearly obfuscating the facts.
 

Sandhusker

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Mike, I think you're seeing exactly the DNC is fighting this deal. They're spending how much money on attorneys to fight this as opposed to spending nothing and presenting a verifiable birth certificate?

Why are they doing that, OT, ffff, Kolo, Alice, Nono...? Why?
 
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Anonymous

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What issue? We just went thru the birth certificate issue on the other thread...Its been examined and accepted by neutral authorities since the absence of a national certifier- and he has been accepted as the party candidate on the ballots of all 50 states...

As far as dual citizenship- I know many folks with dual citizenship- in fact I think Yanuck posted she/he was.......
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
What issue? We just went thru the birth certificate issue on the other thread...Its been examined and accepted by neutral authorities since the absence of a national certifier- and he has been accepted as the party candidate on the ballots of all 50 states...

As far as dual citizenship- I know many folks with dual citizenship- in fact I think Yanuck posted she/he was.......

That's the problem OT...he can't even prove dual citizenship, with one being "American".
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
What issue? We just went thru the birth certificate issue on the other thread...Its been examined and accepted by neutral authorities since the absence of a national certifier- and he has been accepted as the party candidate on the ballots of all 50 states...
What's wrong with letting the PEOPLE see it? I thought you were a big supporter of "transparency?" You talk about that a lot. Or maybe you only care about transparency for conservatives?
 
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Anonymous

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
What issue? We just went thru the birth certificate issue on the other thread...Its been examined and accepted by neutral authorities since the absence of a national certifier- and he has been accepted as the party candidate on the ballots of all 50 states...
What's wrong with letting the PEOPLE see it? I thought you were a big supporter of "transparency?" You talk about that a lot. Or maybe you only care about transparency for conservatives?

He had it posted (probably still does) on his website...Let a neutral election factfinding group examine it- and they were satisfied with it.....

How do you prove citizenship?

My old original birth certificate looks nothing like the duplicate I got from the court house a few years back when I misplaced mine....Twice the size- on different paper- etc...
My Father in law was born in Oklahoma- served in the Navy in WWII- but never had a birth certificate- and had to get the family bible and use for a birth certificate to qualify for SS benefits...
I had two aunts, born at home, with no birth certificates, that had to not only use the family bible to qualify for SS benefits- but had to hire a German translator to translate it for since Grandma had written it all in German...
 

MsSage

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Under US Law, Indonesian Law and International Law and until LAST YEAR Indonesia DID NOT Recognize Dual Citizenship and the USA did not Recognize that one could be a Dual US/Indonesian Citizen.
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
What issue? We just went thru the birth certificate issue on the other thread...Its been examined and accepted by neutral authorities since the absence of a national certifier- and he has been accepted as the party candidate on the ballots of all 50 states...

As far as dual citizenship- I know many folks with dual citizenship- in fact I think Yanuck posted she/he was.......

Winnie the Pooh’s birth certificate more authentic than Obama’s
By Judi McLeod Thursday, June 26, 2008


It was Richard Danzig, Navy Secretary under President Bill Clinton, now touted as National Security Adviser in an Obama White House, who told the Centre for New American Security: “Winnie the Pooh seems to me to be a fundamental text on national security.”

Now Winnie the Pooh seems to have something that Barack Obama doesn’t: a legitimate birth certificate. Winnie’s birth certificate was signed by its creator A.A. Milne.


According to Israelinsider, “It is now a certainty that the “birth certificate” claimed by the Barack Obama campaign as authentic is a photoshopped fake.”

“The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past few weeks. But now the senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed to Israel Insider what are the required features of a certified birth document—features that Obama’s purported “birth certificate” clearly lack.

“That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not generally known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.

“Some of these oddities surfaced in Israel Insider’s previous article on the subject, but new comparative documentary evidence presented below, and official verification obtained by Israel Insider from a senior Hawaiian official, provides the strongest confirmation yet.

“An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama’s alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.

”Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: “At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.” And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.”

“Compare the top image presented by his campaign as evidence of Obama’s 1961 birth and the other certifying the birth of one Patricia Decosta.



“So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama—because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a “Certification of Live Birth”—must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

“Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date “filed by registrar”, the certified DeCosta document provides the date “accepted by the registrar.” The difference between filing an application for a Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here.

“The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document—notably in very low resolution—on its “Fight the Smears” website, with campaign officials vowing that it’s authentic, sending the image around as “proof” to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama’s birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the “Certification of Live Birth.” Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

“The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image—what now appears to be a crude forgery—raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.

“Until now, it has been thought that there might be some embarrassing information on the real certificate: was the candidate’s name something other than Barack Hussein Obama II, as it is claimed? Was no father listed because of the uncertainty over Obama’s paternity? Was his father’s race listed as Arab, or Muslim, rather than African? These revelations might be embarrassing, and further undermine his credibility, but he could disavow and downplay their significance. Would revealing such embarrassment outweigh the far greater risks involved in perpetuating a palpable forgery, or passing off an uncertified official document as being certified?

“There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a “natural born citizen” as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation’s chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama’s origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.

“Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama’s birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother’s youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a “natural born citizen.” Even if he were naturalized later—and there is no evidence that he was—he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and—if forgery or misrepresentation were involved—he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.

“But if, at this late date, Obama has no proof of being a US citizen by law, natural born or otherwise, then he or his advisers may be tempted to try to “tough out” the allegations about his “birth certificate” or the lack thereof. He and his campaign have gotten through other embarrassments: maybe this one will go away, too.

“Because the consequences were he to admit, or should it come out, that he was not born in Hawaii would be so grave as to make it tempting to take the gamble and hope that no one dares call his most audacious bluff by demanding proof. Talk about the audacity of hope.

“But now the State of Hawaii has dashed those hopes by clarifying that a certified birth certificate must have an embossed seal and signature, features his claimed birth certificate image lack.

“The longer Obama waits, the graver grow the consequences of waiting.

“There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate—if one exists. If he’s lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver’s license. Surely it’s not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.

“The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President.

“If proof of citizenship does not exist, then surely it would be wiser to admit it now.

“Because if Barack Hussein Obama II does not produce definitive proof of his “natural born” American citizenship with original, verifiable documents, he will be setting the stage for a very public battle over his personal credibility, the basic legitimacy of his candidacy, and its possible criminality.”

We can only imagine the letters dispatched from Obama’s “Fight the Smears” war room to bloggers who would question the validity of Obama’s birth certificate.

Perhaps instead war room maintenance staff can send anyone asking back to the nursery and that expert on national security, Winnie the Pooh.





Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the print media. A former Toronto Sun columnist, she also worked for the Kingston Whig Standard. Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and Glenn Beck.

Judi can be emailed at: [email protected]com
 

Yanuck

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Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
What issue? We just went thru the birth certificate issue on the other thread...Its been examined and accepted by neutral authorities since the absence of a national certifier- and he has been accepted as the party candidate on the ballots of all 50 states...
What's wrong with letting the PEOPLE see it? I thought you were a big supporter of "transparency?" You talk about that a lot. Or maybe you only care about transparency for conservatives?

He had it posted (probably still does) on his website...Let a neutral election factfinding group examine it- and they were satisfied with it.....

How do you prove citizenship?

My old original birth certificate looks nothing like the duplicate I got from the court house a few years back when I misplaced mine....Twice the size- on different paper- etc...
My Father in law was born in Oklahoma- served in the Navy in WWII- but never had a birth certificate- and had to get the family bible and use for a birth certificate to qualify for SS benefits...
I had two aunts, born at home, with no birth certificates, that had to not only use the family bible to qualify for SS benefits- but had to hire a German translator to translate it for since Grandma had written it all in German...

Yes OT I am a dual citizen, (also a she!), I have no idea how it works in MT, but a few years ago when we lived in NE, I lost my daughters' birth certificates, I had to request copies from the State offices in Lincoln, our county courthouse would not have been able to issue anything as a birth certificate isn't locally recorded there, but a State document. When my Mom applied for her dual citizenship, she had to prove her parents were born and resided in the US. Both her parents were deceased and had no birth certificates, she used US censuses for this and no problem producing the required documents.
 
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Anonymous

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Yanuck said:
Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
What's wrong with letting the PEOPLE see it? I thought you were a big supporter of "transparency?" You talk about that a lot. Or maybe you only care about transparency for conservatives?

He had it posted (probably still does) on his website...Let a neutral election factfinding group examine it- and they were satisfied with it.....

How do you prove citizenship?

My old original birth certificate looks nothing like the duplicate I got from the court house a few years back when I misplaced mine....Twice the size- on different paper- etc...
My Father in law was born in Oklahoma- served in the Navy in WWII- but never had a birth certificate- and had to get the family bible and use for a birth certificate to qualify for SS benefits...
I had two aunts, born at home, with no birth certificates, that had to not only use the family bible to qualify for SS benefits- but had to hire a German translator to translate it for since Grandma had written it all in German...

Yes OT I am a dual citizen, (also a she!), I have no idea how it works in MT, but a few years ago when we lived in NE, I lost my daughters' birth certificates, I had to request copies from the State offices in Lincoln, our county courthouse would not have been able to issue anything as a birth certificate isn't locally recorded there, but a State document. When my Mom applied for her dual citizenship, she had to prove her parents were born and resided in the US. Both her parents were deceased and had no birth certificates, she used US censuses for this and no problem producing the required documents.

Comical thing about my father in law was that also the computer world wasn't ready for him...He has no first or middle name- just JC - and when the computer programs first came out they wouldn't take two intitials- they needed a full first and middle name-- and he'd go round and round with those folks explaining to him that was all the name he had.. :wink: :lol:

With my mother and aunts it was the German names- that they Americanized...Names like Otellia that they changed to Tillis...But none of my mothers older siblings had birth certificates-as they were born out on the ranch in the mountains-- just the Family Bible as a location and date certifier of birth....
 

Yanuck

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Oldtimer said:
Yanuck said:
Oldtimer said:
He had it posted (probably still does) on his website...Let a neutral election factfinding group examine it- and they were satisfied with it.....

How do you prove citizenship?

My old original birth certificate looks nothing like the duplicate I got from the court house a few years back when I misplaced mine....Twice the size- on different paper- etc...
My Father in law was born in Oklahoma- served in the Navy in WWII- but never had a birth certificate- and had to get the family bible and use for a birth certificate to qualify for SS benefits...
I had two aunts, born at home, with no birth certificates, that had to not only use the family bible to qualify for SS benefits- but had to hire a German translator to translate it for since Grandma had written it all in German...

Yes OT I am a dual citizen, (also a she!), I have no idea how it works in MT, but a few years ago when we lived in NE, I lost my daughters' birth certificates, I had to request copies from the State offices in Lincoln, our county courthouse would not have been able to issue anything as a birth certificate isn't locally recorded there, but a State document. When my Mom applied for her dual citizenship, she had to prove her parents were born and resided in the US. Both her parents were deceased and had no birth certificates, she used US censuses for this and no problem producing the required documents.

Comical thing about my father in law was that also the computer world wasn't ready for him...He has no first or middle name- just JC - and when the computer programs first came out they wouldn't take two intitials- they needed a full first and middle name-- and he'd go round and round with those folks explaining to him that was all the name he had.. :wink: :lol:

With my mother and aunts it was the German names- that they Americanized...Names like Otellia that they changed to Tillis...But none of my mothers older siblings had birth certificates-as they were born out on the ranch in the mountains-- just the Family Bible as a location and date certifier of birth....

Mom did all this pre-computer days also, my Grandpa had 11 siblings, and all were born at home so there is no record of any of their births legally recorded anywhere, but all are listed on US Census' starting in 1880 all the way up to 1930 which is the the last year available for the public to see at the moment. My point is, its not hard, and why doesn't the US have a person or a comittee that does certify those documents for Presidential candidates? who did it before we had the Internet? If McCain's BC was being questioned wouldn't you want to be absolutley certain? I know I would
 

RobertMac

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Yanuck said:
If McCain's BC was being questioned wouldn't you want to be absolutley certain?
There you go again with equivalency...OT has rules for Democrats...and then there are rules for conservatives. :wink: :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Yanuck
If McCain's BC was being questioned wouldn't you want to be absolutley certain? I know I would

You must not be following along closely- because McCains natural birth is under question too- and has had law suits filed against it- along with a lot of legal/Constitutional specualtion about it from legal scholars...

I guess the final decision will be left to the electors from all over the country that meet in January to cast their electoral votes...They're the only votes that count anyway...
 

Yanuck

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Oldtimer said:
Yanuck
If McCain's BC was being questioned wouldn't you want to be absolutley certain? I know I would

You must not be following along closely- because McCains natural birth is under question too- and has had law suits filed against it- along with a lot of legal/Constitutional specualtion about it from legal scholars...

I guess the final decision will be left to the electors from all over the country that meet in January to cast their electoral votes...They're the only votes that count anyway...

No I've followed along very closely...McCain was born to 2 American citizens in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was stationed there, its called being born to citizens abroad. My children are automatically considered Canadian citizens, they will not have to be naturalized, the same way my Mom is also an American citizen thru birth even though she was born in Canada, but to 2 American citizens, she did not go thru the naturalization process like I had to. I believe the question being asked of Obama is proof that he was born in Hawaii as there are conflicting reports from his sister and grandmother that he was born in Kenya, there is some question as to the validity of his offered up BC, and did he give up his citizenship when his Indonesian stepfather adopted him. Won't the decision be made on Nov. 4??? :? :? :?
 

VanC

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Oldtimer said:
Yanuck
If McCain's BC was being questioned wouldn't you want to be absolutley certain? I know I would

You must not be following along closely- because McCains natural birth is under question too- and has had law suits filed against it- along with a lot of legal/Constitutional specualtion about it from legal scholars...

I guess the final decision will be left to the electors from all over the country that meet in January to cast their electoral votes...They're the only votes that count anyway...

Tell that to the people that are still crying because Gore had more popular votes than Bush in 2000.
 

hopalong

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VanC said:
Oldtimer said:
Yanuck
If McCain's BC was being questioned wouldn't you want to be absolutley certain? I know I would

You must not be following along closely- because McCains natural birth is under question too- and has had law suits filed against it- along with a lot of legal/Constitutional specualtion about it from legal scholars...

I guess the final decision will be left to the electors from all over the country that meet in January to cast their electoral votes...They're the only votes that count anyway...

Tell that to the people that are still crying because Gore had more popular votes than Bush in 2000.

Yea and crying and crying yet they know more than the highest court in the land and claim that the election was stolen!
Even oldtimer won't touch that one and he is the so called legal expert here havein been elected sheriff of a one horse county in Montana and he owned the horse!
Population 5 and 12 people voted he got 7 votes 6 of them were his!!!
They are still looking for the other one that voted for him because they know his wife didn't cast her vote for him :D :D :D :D
 
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Anonymous

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Yep- hoppy you remind me of the little yapdog in the cartoons running around and around his big hero dog Butch- even when Butch swats him aside like a fly on a cows butt..
But why did you have to choose me to be your hero :???: :wink:
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Yep- hoppy you remind me of the little yapdog in the cartoons running around and around his big hero dog Butch- even when Butch swats him aside like a fly on a cows butt..
But why did you have to choose me to be your hero :???: :wink:

God..more cartoon references. OT you really should grow up at least to "My Weekly Reader".
 
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