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Obama's election and white privilege

badaxemoo

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http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.
 

alice

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badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

Good article...

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

His race was the main reason he was nominated and then elected. 96% of one racial demographic voted for him. Of course racism is alive and well - it's just not the conventional racism of old.
 

alacowman

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alice said:
badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

Good article...
Alice
you really think so?
 

TexasBred

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Now that Obama is president will Affirmative Action no longer be needed? No more quotas on black, underpriviledged, overburdened??
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

His race was the main reason he was nominated and then elected. 96% of one racial demographic voted for him. Of course racism is alive and well - it's just not the conventional racism of old.

Seeing how it's not out of the ordinary for over 90% of blacks to vote Democratic anyway, I don't see how this is that significant.

Do you think that if J.C. Watts had run for President, he would have gotten 96% of the black vote?

I don't.
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

His race was the main reason he was nominated and then elected. 96% of one racial demographic voted for him. Of course racism is alive and well - it's just not the conventional racism of old.

Seeing how it's not out of the ordinary for over 90% of blacks to vote Democratic anyway, I don't see how this is that significant.

Do you think that if J.C. Watts had run for President, he would have gotten 96% of the black vote?

I don't.

Yes, I do. Experience wasn't a consideration as Obama has none. Character wasn't a consideration as Obama's is poor. Honesty wasn't a consideration as Obama lies more than Hillary. Record wasn't important as that topic was taboo. His promise of "change" was so vague that it was meaningless. What other reason was there other than to get a brother in the White House?
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
Yes, I do. Experience wasn't a consideration as Obama has none. Character wasn't a consideration as Obama's is poor. Honesty wasn't a consideration as Obama lies more than Hillary. Record wasn't important as that topic was taboo. His promise of "change" was so vague that it was meaningless. What other reason was there other than to get a brother in the White House?

While I disagree with nearly everything you said, I'm going to put those points aside for the moment because you leave out the primary reason to vote for any candidate:

Policy.

Obama will probably adhere to a fairly conventional Democratic set of politicies. McCain would have likely followed a fairly conventional Republican set of policies.

That is why there are Democratic and Republican voters, isn't it?

Republicans used to be the party of civil rights and the Democrats were the party of white supremacy and guess who African-Americans voted for during that period?

It's really no surprise that now that the Democrats are the more inclusive party, that blacks would vote overwhelmingly for a Democratic candidate now, would it?
 

alacowman

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it would'nt matter if pee wee herman., had been the democratic pick. he would have gotten it. bush left such a bad taste on people we will be lucky too see a republican win in years too come..folks wanted bush out at any cost . all the dems had too do is dress him up, and get him too hollar change
 

badaxemoo

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alacowman said:
it would'nt matter if pee wee herman., had been the democratic pick. he would have gotten it. bush left such a bad taste on people we will be lucky too see a republican win in years too come..folks wanted bush out at any cost . all the dems had too do is dress him up, and get him too hollar change

On some level, you might be right. Obama's biggest ally in the race was W. (although I still think Obama would make a formidable candidate in any given year).

Imagine if McCain had run as himself and picked a moderate VP instead of pandering to the more extreme wings of the Republican Party.

He might have had a shot.
 

Texan

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badaxemoo said:
Imagine if McCain had run as himself and picked a moderate VP instead of pandering to the more extreme wings of the Republican Party.

He might have had a shot.
How would that have given him a shot? McCain is nothing but a liberal himself - choosing a moderate instead of Palin would have further alienated the conservatives. Is it "pandering" to try to appeal to the party's real base?
 

jigs

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there was just a story on ESPN about how there are not enough black head coaches in the NCAA.... well, Ty willingham stunk it up at ND, and Washington... now seeing how Prince choked at KSU, (and he was hired by a guy who was a HUGE minority rights guy) I can firmly say that just cuz you are black, is no reason not to hire you, but so far, the black coaches have SUCKED.
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

His race was the main reason he was nominated and then elected. 96% of one racial demographic voted for him. Of course racism is alive and well - it's just not the conventional racism of old.

WAsn't it 66% of whites that voted for him too???
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
Yes, I do. Experience wasn't a consideration as Obama has none. Character wasn't a consideration as Obama's is poor. Honesty wasn't a consideration as Obama lies more than Hillary. Record wasn't important as that topic was taboo. His promise of "change" was so vague that it was meaningless. What other reason was there other than to get a brother in the White House?

While I disagree with nearly everything you said, I'm going to put those points aside for the moment because you leave out the primary reason to vote for any candidate:

Policy.

Obama will probably adhere to a fairly conventional Democratic set of politicies. McCain would have likely followed a fairly conventional Republican set of policies.

That is why there are Democratic and Republican voters, isn't it?

Republicans used to be the party of civil rights and the Democrats were the party of white supremacy and guess who African-Americans voted for during that period?

It's really no surprise that now that the Democrats are the more inclusive party, that blacks would vote overwhelmingly for a Democratic candidate now, would it?

If you can bring up any kind of argument at all against what I said, you’ll have done something none of the other resident Liberals could do. Lets hear about all his experience. Explain how somebody of high character would associate with terrorists, cons, and racists. Tell me that he doesn’t lie. Explain his record on infanticide issues, lunatic anti-gun legislation, etc… Bring it.

If they voted for his policy, they were just guessing as to what that policy would be, because all he campaigned on was an overused buzzword.
 

VanC

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badaxemoo said:
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege-updated

Obama's election is a watershed event in race relations in the U.S., but let's not pretend that someone waived a magic wand and made racism disappear.

As long as there are races, there will be racism. As long as whites are in the majority, there will be white privilege. However, I don't really think another old, tired, worn out hit piece on Palin, Bush and McCain is the best way to get this point across. You can de better.

As for Mr. Wise, I've read some of his stuff and I've seen him on a couple of talk shows. He's well spoken and he writes well, even if I don't always agree with him. But the fact is he makes a fortune peddling this stuff. Is that just a by product of someone who truly cares and wants to right wrongs, or is he just another race hustler? Damned if I know.
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
If they voted for his policy, they were just guessing as to what that policy would be, because all he campaigned on was an overused buzzword.

That's bullshit.

Either of us could sit down and make a list of generic Republican and Democratic planks and there would be a pretty good probability that a McCain or Obama administration would follow them.

You seem to enjoy being caught up in the personality of politics business (just like the mainstream media) but the fact is that policy trumps those concerns for anyone that understands the political process.
 

badaxemoo

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VanC said:
As long as there are races, there will be racism. As long as whites are in the majority, there will be white privilege. However, I don't really think another old, tired, worn out hit piece on Palin, Bush and McCain is the best way to get this point across. You can de better.

As for Mr. Wise, I've read some of his stuff and I've seen him on a couple of talk shows. He's well spoken and he writes well, even if I don't always agree with him. But the fact is he makes a fortune peddling this stuff. Is that just a by product of someone who truly cares and wants to right wrongs, or is he just another race hustler? Damned if I know.

I'm not so sure. Cannibalism used to be pretty popular but seems to be out of vogue.

Whites aren't going to be in the majority for that much longer. Hopefully someday we'll all be the same light brown and we'll have to figure something some other irrational trait to beat each other over the heads with.

I actually didn't think it was as much a hit piece on McCain or Palin as it was a thought-provoking look at how actions are perceived through a racial lens. I continue to be surprised that Palin's connections to the Alaska Independence Party were not an issue. If either of the Obamas had connections to some type of black nationalist separatist organization, I think it would have disqualified them in the minds of many voters.

Like any progressive, the McCain campaign annoyed me at times, but I give him a huge amount of credit for not attempting to exploit the Rev. Wright issue. I think that McCain will actually work with the Obama administration, but then again, I've been drinking the Hope Kool-Aid.

As far as Tim Wise goes, I don't know much about him, but look around this board and tell me that some of these yahoos don't need someone like him to get in their face.
 

Sandhusker

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If people would of thought McCain would follow Republican planks, he would of been elected President.

You're just saying that Republicans vote Republican and Democrats vote Democrat. That doesn't go very far to explain why Obama was the Democrat nominee.

If you want any examples about what his supporters thought his policies would be, go back on his very board and see what Kolo, fff, nono, etc... had to say when they were asked, "Change what?"
 
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