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Obama's Environmental Plans Will Lead To 'Energy Chaos

hypocritexposer

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Green Hell: Obama's Environmental Plans Will Lead To 'Energy Chaos,' Author Says

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:55 PM

By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size


Fox News commentator Steve Milloy, founder of the junkscience.com Web site, tells Newsmax that the U.S. is at “the point of no return” as the Obama administration is set to implement environmental policies that will lead to “energy chaos” in this country.

Milloy, author of the new book “Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them,” also said the so-called cap and trade plan to reduce carbon emissions could double the cost of electricity and affect every aspect of American life.

[Editor’s Note: Get Steve Milloy’s new book, “Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them” — Go here now.]

Newsmax TV’s Ashley Martella asked Milloy what inspired him to write “Green Hell.”

“I’ve been spending most of my time over the past 15 years trying to expose the faulty science behind the environmentalist agenda,” Milloy said.

“We are nearing a point of no return with green policies. Barack Obama wants to ram through this cap and trade, which is going to cause havoc in our economy.

[Editor's Note: Watch author Steve Milloy discuss Obama’s coming “Green Hell” - Go Here Now]

“I thought we really need to step this up and let people know what is in store for them if green policies go through — how are green policies going to affect your day-to-day life, your pocketbook, national security, the whole range of issues that confront Americans today. That’s the purpose of the book. To let Americans know what green means to them.”

Martella asked what Milloy believes are the worst aspects of the cap and trade plan.

The most immediate effect, Milloy said, will be “for your electric bill to go up anywhere from 50 percent to 100 percent or more. But perhaps the most insidious part of that bill is that it will solidify control of energy policy and our economy by the greens.

“Greens are these people who say they are all about the environment, but I think that is the furthest thing they are about. They use the environment as a kind of shield behind which they advance their left-wing, socialist, totalitarian agenda.

“You just look at everything these people want to do. It’s all about government control of our lives. Even if there was an environmental problem that I could agree with them on, their solution is always going to be more government control.”

Martella noted that environmentalists favor such steps as banning offshore oil drilling and prohibiting oil shale production.

“What they’re causing is energy chaos, and out of that chaos the only solution is more government control,” Milloy declared.

“They don’t want us to drill for oil. They don’t want us to use natural gas. They don’t want us to refine gasoline. They don’t want us to use nuclear power. They certainly don’t want us using coal.

“People might think that’s because they’re for renewable energy like solar and wind. That’s not true either. Look at all the wind projects that are being stopped by the greens.

“In Georgia there’s a wind project being slowed down because of the alleged concern about the mating habits of whales. Last June the Bureau of Land Management placed a moratorium on solar projects on public lands because they were concerned about the impact on the critters.

“I live in Maryland, a very green state, and my governor has placed a ban on windmills on public lands.

“So although the greens say they are for renewable energy, when you get right down to it they’re really not. They’re not for any energy solution. They’re just for sabotaging our economy, causing chaos, which brings in more government control.”

Martella observed that a “wealthy green elite” stand to profit handsomely from green technologies.

“Absolutely. And the most famous one is Al Gore,” Milloy said.

“Al Gore is a partner in at least two investment partnerships that are heavily invested in green energy technologies like wind and solar, and fuel efficient cars. And if the Obama administration’s cap and tax goes through along with the stimulus package, these guys stand to make billions and billions of dollars.”

Martella asked Milloy to comment on efforts to effectively do away with safe and inexpensive incandescent light bulbs in favor of expensive fluorescent bulbs containing mercury.

“It’s all back to their causing chaos in our economy,” said Milloy.

“For the last 40 years the greens have been telling us to take toxics like mercury out of our house. But now they’re telling us it’s O.K. to bring mercury in our house because these bulbs use less energy and are going to reduce global warming. Of course none of this is true.

“These bulbs cost more. They don’t really work. There was a front-page article recently in the New York Times about how these bulbs are prone to malfunction.

“Worse, if you have the misfortune of dropping one of these in your home, you can’t just sweep it up and throw it away in the household trash. You need to go to [an EPA Web site] and get a 20-step procedure, which includes opening the window, evacuating the room for 15 minutes . . . and throwing the bulb away in a special disposal process. It has to be treated like hazardous waste.

“It’s just a nightmare for people.”

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/green_hell_milloy/2009/04/14/202927.html
 

Mike

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Surely some of the Moonbats here can see through the damage that the Cap & Trade deal will cause us in the future?
 

hypocritexposer

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Petroleo Brasileiro SA (PBR), or Petrobras, will start seeking bids for new rigs in the next couple of months as it marches on with its ambitious five-year investment plan.

The Brazilian state energy giant in January announced it planned to invest $174.4 billion in 2009-13, including $28.6 billion this year -- an increase from $23 billion in 2008, which is unusual as global oil majors including U.S. firms Chevron Corp. and ConocoPhillips are cutting back on investment.

http://rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=75149
 

cowman52

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You know, I grew up in a time when going to bed with so many quilts on top of you that you did not turn over at night, when the only room that was heated was the kitchen, and water for a bath was either heated on a stove or you waited until the creek was warm enough to go swimming in.
I really don't care to go back to that but if obama thinks I must then heaven help the one standing in line with me to buy a can of beans, the wait might get a little aromatic :oops:
 
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Anonymous

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Lot of local farmer/ranchers are looking at the $2 gas/fuel costs for hauling their cattle out- along with doing their seeding and farming-- and smiling-compared to GW's Oil Cartel buddies energy plan of last year and the $4-$5 fuel that ate up all potential profits-- and would sure like to see a real plan- with some consistency- and not being on the total teat of these foreign and domestic cartels....
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Lot of local farmer/ranchers are looking at the $2 gas/fuel costs for hauling their cattle out- along with doing their seeding and farming-- and smiling-compared to GW's Oil Cartel buddies energy plan of last year and the $4-$5 fuel that ate up all potential profits-- and would sure like to see a real plan- with some consistency- and not being on the total teat of these foreign and domestic cartels....

If Obama gets his cap and trade installed, those local farmer/ranchers will look back at $5 fuel as the good 'ol days.

You think Obama has a "real plan"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Lot of local farmer/ranchers are looking at the $2 gas/fuel costs for hauling their cattle out- along with doing their seeding and farming-- and smiling-compared to GW's Oil Cartel buddies energy plan of last year and the $4-$5 fuel that ate up all potential profits-- and would sure like to see a real plan- with some consistency- and not being on the total teat of these foreign and domestic cartels....

If Obama gets his cap and trade installed, those local farmer/ranchers will look back at $5 fuel as the good 'ol days.

You think Obama has a "real plan"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not if they are getting paid to farm with the cap and trade money....Some have been waiting just for that- so they can take advantage of that rather than the subsidy program that hands out $Zillions to the mulitmillionaire corporate farms- while little or nothing to the average guy who has been doing no till for years.....
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Lot of local farmer/ranchers are looking at the $2 gas/fuel costs for hauling their cattle out- along with doing their seeding and farming-- and smiling-compared to GW's Oil Cartel buddies energy plan of last year and the $4-$5 fuel that ate up all potential profits-- and would sure like to see a real plan- with some consistency- and not being on the total teat of these foreign and domestic cartels....

If Obama gets his cap and trade installed, those local farmer/ranchers will look back at $5 fuel as the good 'ol days.

You think Obama has a "real plan"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not if they are getting paid to farm with the cap and trade money....Some have been waiting just for that- so they can take advantage of that rather than the subsidy program that hands out $Zillions to the mulitmillionaire corporate farms- while little or nothing to the average guy who has been doing no till for years.....

Sounds like you've got a bunch of democrat farmers, they don't care if Obama's polices wreck the entire country as long as they get their check in the mail..... Have they bothered to pencil out if their Obama check will offset the losses in commodity prices that surely will happen when the economy comes to a halt as a result of the doubling of energy costs?
 
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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
If Obama gets his cap and trade installed, those local farmer/ranchers will look back at $5 fuel as the good 'ol days.

You think Obama has a "real plan"? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not if they are getting paid to farm with the cap and trade money....Some have been waiting just for that- so they can take advantage of that rather than the subsidy program that hands out $Zillions to the mulitmillionaire corporate farms- while little or nothing to the average guy who has been doing no till for years.....

Sounds like you've got a bunch of democrat farmers, they don't care if Obama's polices wreck the entire country as long as they get their check in the mail..... Have they bothered to pencil out if their Obama check will offset the losses in commodity prices that surely will happen when the economy comes to a halt as a result of the doubling of energy costs?

Some of the staunchest Republican ranchers are already reaping the benefits off their taking land out of production- putting it into improved pasture- pasturing the cows- and gathering the cap and trade money...The only current problem is there is not enough opportunities in trading or demand...Which I believe will "change" shortly while we solve our continuing energy dependency....

I already gave Mike the phone number and name of the former Republican County Commissioner/county party chairmans son- so he could verify its happening....He bought another $3300 bull today- so must be making something off it... :wink:
 
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http://www.usda.gov/2009/04/0113.xml

Release No. 0113.09
Contact:
Office of Communications (202) 720-4623

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY VILSACK NAMES ROBERT BONNIE AS SENIOR ADVISOR FOR ENVIRONMENT AND CLIMATE

WASHINGTON, April 16, 2009 - Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today announced the appointment of Robert Bonnie as Senior Advisor to the Secretary for Environment and Climate.

In this position, Bonnie will help guide broad policy and program decisions with an emphasis on those concerning the nation's natural resources and climate issues.

"Robert Bonnie brings to USDA 14 years of experience at the Environmental Defense Fund where he worked to conserve natural resources and protect the climate on America's farms, ranches and forest lands," Vilsack said.

"President Obama has been clear that two of his top goals for the department are related to the environment: expanding the capacity of our land, our farms, and our ranches to produce alternative forms of energy and fuel; and developing the research that will help agriculture transition away from its significant dependence on fossil fuels.

"Robert's work on conservation incentives and markets, as well as conservation policy, will help guide USDA as we address some of the most challenging issues facing our nation's future."

Bonnie is Vice-President for Land Conservation and Wildlife at the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), a non-profit organization that tackles the nation's most serious environmental problems. Bonnie's focus at EDF is on the development and expansion of conservation incentives and markets that reward farmers, ranchers and forest owners for land stewardship.

Since joining EDF in 1995, Bonnie helped establish and has managed the organization's Center for Conservation Incentives. He has been extensively involved in the development of Safe Harbor and other incentive programs under the Endangered Species Act, as well as conservation programs under the 2008 Farm Bill.

Bonnie is a leading national expert on the use of markets as a means to reward stewardship on farms, ranches and forest lands, including carbon crediting and conservation banking for endangered species.

A Harvard graduate, Bonnie holds a master's degree in resource economics and forestry from Duke University's Nicholas School of the Environment, Durham, N.C. He grew up on a farm in Kentucky and now lives in Virginia.


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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Sounds expensive!

More expensive than paying the Bush Oil Buddies what ever price they want to stick on gas/oil :???:

This has been coming for many years...Started with the signing on with the WTO- and fast tracked by GW with all the globalism and trade agreements where he agreed to do away with all farm subsidies..

I had a senior USDA civil servant tell me a couple years ago that subsidies/loans would soon be a thing of the past- and all payments to farmers/ranchers would be in the line of conservation type payments...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Sounds expensive!

More expensive than paying the Bush Oil Buddies what ever price they want to stick on gas/oil :???:

This has been coming for many years...Started with the signing on with the WTO- and fast tracked by GW with all the globalism and trade agreements where he agreed to do away with all farm subsidies..

I had a senior USDA civil servant tell me a couple years ago that subsidies/loans would soon be a thing of the past- and all payments to farmers/ranchers would be in the line of conservation type payments...

You never addressed this question; Have they bothered to pencil out if their Obama check will offset the losses in commodity prices that surely will happen when the economy comes to a halt as a result of the doubling of energy costs?
 

Lonecowboy

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OT,what happens when the EPA starts taxing cow emissions and you have to buy back your own "carbon credits" for much much more than you sold them for??
What happens when the price of everything goes up when the extorted companys have to pay for these credits??
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Sounds expensive!

More expensive than paying the Bush Oil Buddies what ever price they want to stick on gas/oil :???:

This has been coming for many years...Started with the signing on with the WTO- and fast tracked by GW with all the globalism and trade agreements where he agreed to do away with all farm subsidies..

I had a senior USDA civil servant tell me a couple years ago that subsidies/loans would soon be a thing of the past- and all payments to farmers/ranchers would be in the line of conservation type payments...

You never addressed this question; Have they bothered to pencil out if their Obama check will offset the losses in commodity prices that surely will happen when the economy comes to a halt as a result of the doubling of energy costs?

You mean like a year ago under the Bush/Cheney Oilmen Energy Plan... :???:

We're to a point where its pay now under our own longterm plan to get us off the dependency of these folks that hate us-- or pay them later at 10-20-50 times the rate, whenever they want to put the squeeze on...
Sandhusker- do you enjoy having Chavez/Arabs with their hands wrapped around your left testicle- waiting for the opportunity to jerk :???:
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
More expensive than paying the Bush Oil Buddies what ever price they want to stick on gas/oil :???:

This has been coming for many years...Started with the signing on with the WTO- and fast tracked by GW with all the globalism and trade agreements where he agreed to do away with all farm subsidies..

I had a senior USDA civil servant tell me a couple years ago that subsidies/loans would soon be a thing of the past- and all payments to farmers/ranchers would be in the line of conservation type payments...

You never addressed this question; Have they bothered to pencil out if their Obama check will offset the losses in commodity prices that surely will happen when the economy comes to a halt as a result of the doubling of energy costs?

You mean like a year ago under the Bush/Cheney Oilmen Energy Plan... :???:

We're to a point where its pay now under our own longterm plan to get us off the dependency of these folks that hate us-- or pay them later at 10-20-50 times the rate, whenever they want to put the squeeze on...
Sandhusker- do you enjoy having Chavez/Arabs with their hands wrapped around your left testicle- waiting for the opportunity to jerk :???:

You mean like a year ago under the Bush/Cheney Oilmen Energy Plan... :???:

Who's the Secretary of Interior now? Yep, the very same one that claims he wrote the 2005 Energy Plan.

From his website:
Salazar helped lead the successful bipartisan effort to pass the National Energy Policy Act of 2005, an important first step toward energy independence. He has since helped form a bipartisan coalition of ten Senators pressing for greater use of renewable fuels and improved motor vehicle efficiency. He worked with Republicans and Democrats to reauthorize the PATRIOT Act so that it provides our Nation’s law enforcement agencies with the tools necessary to fight terrorism while at the same time ensuring that our basic constitutional rights are protected. Senator Salazar has also partnered with Arizona Senator John McCain to propose a national, non-partisan commission to undertake a fresh review of health care in America, and to develop real solutions to our health care crisis.

You are stupid by all imaginations there Fat Man. Wake up! You been duped and you fell for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
HOOK LINE AND SINKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Broke Cowboy

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hypocritexposer said:
Sounds expensive!

Not as expensive as the energy you will be buying in a few years - do not ever doubt this.

You cannot do these type of things and have the sytem keep working.

Going to be some high priced fuel within the next 5 years - fert will be even higher than it's recent peak.

Get ready for government enforced stewardship of your land as well - it will be new stuff - fresh for OT and based upon HSUS and their followers - simply my opinion at this time but the signals are growing - fresh out of Obama land. Not something you can blame the Bush man for.

You guys used to laugh at the French Pres and his comments - and France has a bad rep - and to be honest it is deserved - but things are changing there - and he is becoming a European strongman - his words carry weight over there. You cannot go it without Europe - and some Euro media is calling Obama an arrogant and weak leader.

During his Euro visit Obama brought some doubt into the lime light about his abilities - and the media can no longer ignore it.

BC
 

TexasBred

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Broke Cowboy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Sounds expensive!

Not as expensive as the energy you will be buying in a few years - do not ever doubt this.

You cannot do these type of things and have the sytem keep working.

Going to be some high priced fuel within the next 5 years - fert will be even higher than it's recent peak.

Get ready for government enforced stewardship of your land as well - it will be new stuff - fresh for OT and based upon HSUS and their followers - simply my opinion at this time but the signals are growing - fresh out of Obama land. Not something you can blame the Bush man for.

You guys used to laugh at the French Pres and his comments - and France has a bad rep - and to be honest it is deserved - but things are changing there - and he is becoming a European strongman - his words carry weight over there. You cannot go it without Europe - and some Euro media is calling Obama an arrogant and weak leader.

During his Euro visit Obama brought some doubt into the lime light about his abilities - and the media can no longer ignore it.

BC

I don't have much for the french but apparently their leaders are pretty good judges of character etc. and what they saw in the Prez. was weakness, immaturity and lack of decision making ability. Things the left wingers over hear could never see as they were swooning.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
More expensive than paying the Bush Oil Buddies what ever price they want to stick on gas/oil :???:

This has been coming for many years...Started with the signing on with the WTO- and fast tracked by GW with all the globalism and trade agreements where he agreed to do away with all farm subsidies..

I had a senior USDA civil servant tell me a couple years ago that subsidies/loans would soon be a thing of the past- and all payments to farmers/ranchers would be in the line of conservation type payments...

You never addressed this question; Have they bothered to pencil out if their Obama check will offset the losses in commodity prices that surely will happen when the economy comes to a halt as a result of the doubling of energy costs?

You mean like a year ago under the Bush/Cheney Oilmen Energy Plan... :???:

We're to a point where its pay now under our own longterm plan to get us off the dependency of these folks that hate us-- or pay them later at 10-20-50 times the rate, whenever they want to put the squeeze on...
Sandhusker- do you enjoy having Chavez/Arabs with their hands wrapped around your left testicle- waiting for the opportunity to jerk :???:

Obama is putting our entire sack in the hands of Cavez/Arabs by not expanding our domestic drilling and increasing our domestic supply UNTIL technology catches up with his fantasies! What kind of a flipping plan is it to completely mortgage your future on technology that isn't even invented yet?

Now, back to my question; What is going to be higher, the Obama check or the losses on commodity prices? Before anybody supports this notion, that question has to be answered.
 
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