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Obama's Pastor......... Baracks Downfall?

Mike

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Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'
By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008—



Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.

Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.

Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa," and I agree with him on that."

Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.

In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."

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Texan

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I've seen some of the video clips of this so-called preacher. He preaches mostly hate and divisiveness from what I saw. Geraldine Ferraro's remarks are nothing compared to some of the hate that this racist bastard spews.

Obama had to be aware of this a long time ago. The fact that he hasn't distanced himself tells us a lot about him.
 

Mike

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Obama and the Minister
By RONALD KESSLER
March 14, 2008; Page A19

In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.


Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service
Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright
"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."

Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . ."

Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."

After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader.

Instead, Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor.

Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama described Mr. Wright as being like "an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with." He rarely mentions the points of disagreement.

Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up.

Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community." That is an understatement.

As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be "provocative."

Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright.

Indeed, Mr. Obama has described Mr. Wright as his "sounding board" during the two decades he has known him. Mr. Obama has said he found religion through the minister in the 1980s. He joined the church in 1991 and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith.

The title of Mr. Obama's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons. Mr. Wright is one of the first people Mr. Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Mr. Obama consulted Mr. Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views. In light of Mr. Wright's perspective, Michelle Obama's comment that she feels proud of America for the first time in her adult life makes perfect sense.

Much as most of us would appreciate the symbolism of a black man ascending to the presidency, what we have in Barack Obama is a politician whose closeness to Mr. Wright underscores his radical record.

The media have largely ignored Mr. Obama's close association with Mr. Wright. This raises legitimate questions about Mr. Obama's fundamental beliefs about his country. Those questions deserve a clearer answer than Mr. Obama has provided so far.

Mr. Kessler, a former Wall Street Journal and Washington Post reporter, is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com and the author of "The Terrorist Watch: Inside the Desperate Race to Stop the Next Attack" (Crown Forum, 2007).

See all of today's editorials and op-eds, plus video commentary, on Opinion Journal.
 

aplusmnt

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Obama is toast. He can not beat McCain anyway anyhow! When the Conservative movement beats him up with his wife making anti American comments, then his pastor doing the same. Obama can not win with this negativity in the general election. He already has long row to hoe being black with a Muslim name. Now all this negativity by two of a persons closes to him, his wife and pastor. NOWAY he can win.

This will be the reason the Super delegates use to make Hillary the nominee they will see that Obama can no way beat McCain.
 

Sandhusker

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You know the Republicans have a case load of notes on Obama and they're just salvating for the time to come when they can expose him for the unelectable whacko that he is.
 

kolanuraven

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I prefer Hillary....but I really have no qualms with Obama either....BUT....BUT....BUT...even I must admit that this preacher ' dude' is going to hurt Obama BIG TIME!

This kind of lunatic talk and behavior would be a bad mark for any candidate.
 
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Really ain't much of anything to choose....I can't vote for an old version of Bush, who's running around singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran- rated by the old conservatives and right wing as a bigger WarHawk than Bush- and like Bush is already flipflopping on his policies/ideals to appease the neocons...

Won't vote for Hillary the crook....

Obama has a lot of faults- but so far I haven't seen one verified one that makes him worse than the other two..To me it would be refreshing to have someone in the White House that wasn't a multi-millionaire with 30+ years involvement in the sleaze and corruption of D.C...Obama may be the only fresh face that can get some bipartisan cooperation and unite a very divided nation.......The other two have too many enemies and too much baggage.....

But coming from a state that has the least amount of blacks of any (less than 0.5% of the population) - I don't have the prejudices that many have.....
 

jodywy

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Oldtimer said:
Really ain't much of anything to choose....I can't vote for an old version of Bush, who's running around singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran- rated by the old conservatives and right wing as a bigger WarHawk than Bush- and like Bush is already flipflopping on his policies/ideals to appease the neocons...

Won't vote for Hillary the crook....

Obama has a lot of faults- but so far I haven't seen one verified one that makes him worse than the other two..To me it would be refreshing to have someone in the White House that wasn't a multi-millionaire with 30+ years involvement in the sleaze and corruption of D.C...Obama may be the only fresh face that can get some bipartisan cooperation and unite a very divided nation.......The other two have too many enemies and too much baggage.....

But coming from a state that has the least amount of blacks of any (less than 0.5% of the population) - I don't have the prejudices that many have.....
Like a friend said it took Cater to make him a Republican, Regan to keep him there . Bush to take him back but probably after the next 4 years he will come back to the Republican side as will most the nation :D
 
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jodywy said:
Oldtimer said:
Really ain't much of anything to choose....I can't vote for an old version of Bush, who's running around singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran- rated by the old conservatives and right wing as a bigger WarHawk than Bush- and like Bush is already flipflopping on his policies/ideals to appease the neocons...

Won't vote for Hillary the crook....

Obama has a lot of faults- but so far I haven't seen one verified one that makes him worse than the other two..To me it would be refreshing to have someone in the White House that wasn't a multi-millionaire with 30+ years involvement in the sleaze and corruption of D.C...Obama may be the only fresh face that can get some bipartisan cooperation and unite a very divided nation.......The other two have too many enemies and too much baggage.....

But coming from a state that has the least amount of blacks of any (less than 0.5% of the population) - I don't have the prejudices that many have.....
Like a friend said it took Cater to make him a Republican, Regan to keep him there . Bush to take him back but probably after the next 4 years he will come back to the Republican side as will most the nation :D

YEP!! That was one reason I stayed an Independent- don't have to do any paperwork to change party allegiances after we end up with yet another dummy... :wink: :lol:
 

Goodpasture

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Mike said:
You would support Obama, should he get the nomination?
I'm doing what I can to get him nominated.

Keep pinning your hopes on his losing because of what a retired pastor said in a sermon to a black congregation..........bank on that. I'm sure you won't have to do anything more than turn this into a religious war to win McCain the presidency........keep working on that goal in that way......fumb ducks like you will get your worst nightmare.
 

Mike

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Kept Company
March 15th, 2008
Do you have kids?

If you do or ever did, you have evaluated, monitored, and perhaps even banished some of their acquaintances. As parents we know that the company one keeps not only molds the person, but they reflect the type of person one is.

Which brings us to Barack Obama.

With accelerating frequency this presidential wannabe is in the company of the seemingly disreputable and foul minded. If these were casual acquaintances I could dismiss them as the jetsom of normal social interaction. We all meet dishonorable types in our lives, and Gawd knows I may have tossed back a whiskey or two with some myself. When such associations are peripheral, the stench of their presence quickly dissipates and we are not dragged into their soulless and intellectually corrupt realms.

Obama’s unsavory associations are not incidental. They are deep — the types of associations that guide his daily direction and shape his every action. Obama carries their stench.

Freshly exposed are the maniacal rantings of Obama’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Obama’s association with Wright is neither recent, peripheral, or easily dismissed. Obama and his clan have been attending Wright’s Trinity United Church for over 20 years — so long that he had his marriage performed there, his children baptised there, and like any good parishioner, donated money to the now blasphamized house.

The title of Obama’s book came from a Wright sermon for Christ’s sake.
A man cannot attend church for any period of time and not hear the words of the house preacher. Unless Obama is lying (hmmm, a lying politician … there is a novel concept) he obviously sat in on several of Wright’s incendiary sermons. Wright has proclaimed from his pulpit:

* The U.S. government invented the HIV virus in order to conduct genocide

* The same government is wholly responsible for the terrorist attacks of 9/11

* “‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America!”

There are more, but that last one — and Wright’s general American bashing mentality (if I may misuse the word ‘mentality’) seems to have rubbed off on Obama’s wife if not Obama himself. Overnight denouncements by Obama have him claiming that Wright’s preachings “are not ones that reflect my values or my ideals or [my wife] Michelle’s.”

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” was Michelle’s recent commentary, which eerily echoes Wright’s sentiments.

This is more than guilt by association — it is guilt by affinity. Given that Wright was a member of Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee, any claim of ignorance of Wright’s beliefs are unbelievable.

Then there is the Rezko mater. Antoin “Tony” Rezko is a Chicago businessman and bag-man for the local Democrat machine. His job was moving money from pocket to pocket in order to get select politicians elected, and in the process put down payments on future favors.

Including Obama’s.

Obama was an active participant with Rezko, from writing letters on state government stationary to arm-twist local governments in giving Rezko what he wanted, to entering into suspect real estate deals with Rezko.

Let us say that Rezko was not a casual acquaintance.

Now Rezko is facing charges of extortion, arranging kickbacks, and generally raiding the coffers of government and political donors alike.

We could ascribe Obama’s association with Rezko as part of the normal (and hence corrupt) Chicago Democrat machine, but Obama himself has made disassociation impossible. Obama created his own brand for his presidential bid. Obama held himself above the pack, pretending to be the mulatto messiah — possessing saintly cleanliness.

But his artificial vestments have been soiled by a maniac preacher, an America loathing spouse, and a criminal cohort.

Each of these relationships are long standing. Obama would have to be blind and stupid to have not seen or heard the echoes of the beliefs and actions of each of these people. Obama knew all of this and simply hoped the toxic associations would not be revealed.

That was a lousy bet, son. You are judged by the company you keep, and you run with a seriously shady set. You will not be able to explain it away, and it will be your doom.
 

kolanuraven

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I know I'm gonna get attacked for this...but.....

....for those of you who have no knowledge of such things, in the world of the black church you can do nothing WORSE than dis-own your preacher!

There is no higher sin the black churches, esp in the South of which I speak, than disassociating yourself with your church or preacher. It is just something you don't do. The preacher is a powerful person.


There are a group of powerful black preachers forming now to protest against Obama for his disassociation with this Rev Wright!

Since Obama has a lot of support from the black South...this will hurt him , of that I'm sure.
 

passin thru

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....for those of you who have no knowledge of such things, in the world of the black church you can do nothing WORSE than dis-own your preacher!

There is no way I will attack you for that statement. It only makes Obama scarier as the President.

It just proves that we do not want Obama as Prez..........if he can not cross his preacher or distance himself.
We may as well elct the American Hating Preacher himself in that case
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Really ain't much of anything to choose....I can't vote for an old version of Bush, who's running around singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran- rated by the old conservatives and right wing as a bigger WarHawk than Bush- and like Bush is already flipflopping on his policies/ideals to appease the neocons...

Won't vote for Hillary the crook....

Obama has a lot of faults- but so far I haven't seen one verified one that makes him worse than the other two..To me it would be refreshing to have someone in the White House that wasn't a multi-millionaire with 30+ years involvement in the sleaze and corruption of D.C...Obama may be the only fresh face that can get some bipartisan cooperation and unite a very divided nation.......The other two have too many enemies and too much baggage.....

But coming from a state that has the least amount of blacks of any (less than 0.5% of the population) - I don't have the prejudices that many have.....

How about a verification of him being the most liberal congressman on the face of the planet. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought you claim to be no Liberal you are just not a Neocon. Obama being as liberal as he is and wanting to spend like he is, would make me think you would not vote for him based on your past opinions.

I am liking McCain a little more when I hear him talk. He listened to the people and I think he will make some effort towards Illegals. But I believe he will stick to his guns on ear marks, and if he does that alone I will be impressed. A president that would veto EVERY legislation with an ear mark in it would get my respect even if I did not agree with him on some other issues.

I would think the Ear Mark spending stand he is making would win your vote OT? Be real about the war we will pull out when we can no matter who is president, so why not go for someone that is promising less spending as McCain is. He has a history of sticking to his guns. He may be one of the first presidents to actually do as he says he will do, I would kind of like to see him put up or shut up in that regard.
 

aplusmnt

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Goodpasture said:
Mike said:
You would support Obama, should he get the nomination?
I'm doing what I can to get him nominated.

Keep pinning your hopes on his losing because of what a retired pastor said in a sermon to a black congregation..........bank on that. I'm sure you won't have to do anything more than turn this into a religious war to win McCain the presidency........keep working on that goal in that way......fumb ducks like you will get your worst nightmare.

His wife has never been proud to be an American until her husband ran for president. His Pastor who served on an advisor committee hates American and believes the Government released Aids and is as bad as Al Qaeda and God Damn America. He has had shady money deals with a person born in Syria, he has a Muslim name and some obvious ties in past. He has met with and admitted being friendly with a home grown Terrorist. He made an issue of not wearing and American flag. He is the most liberal congressman in Washington. He wants to spend more money than any candidate. He is young and inexperienced.

The man is unelectable!!!!! The conservative movement will chew him and spit him out faster than you can imagine. They are frothing at the mouth to get at him as soon as the Dem's give him the nod :wink:

O yea and he is black, and as much as you libs like to be high and mighty in your talk of tolerance. He will loose more votes for being black than he will gain for being black. There is still a bigot issue that no one likes to talk about.
 

Goodpasture

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I can hardly wait for him to debate McCain........Barack will be talking about what he would do, and McCain will be asking "What Would George Do?"

maybe we can make some money selling WWGD bracelets.......

aplusmnt said:
O yea and he is black, and as much as you libs like to be high and mighty in your talk of tolerance. He will loose more votes for being black than he will gain for being black. There is still a bigot issue that no one likes to talk about.
There really are not as many people like you as you seem to think........at your next Klan meeting count the number of people there....then take away the half that are FBI and State informants........nothing but you and a couple of other retarded morons left...........
 
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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
Really ain't much of anything to choose....I can't vote for an old version of Bush, who's running around singing Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran- rated by the old conservatives and right wing as a bigger WarHawk than Bush- and like Bush is already flipflopping on his policies/ideals to appease the neocons...

Won't vote for Hillary the crook....

Obama has a lot of faults- but so far I haven't seen one verified one that makes him worse than the other two..To me it would be refreshing to have someone in the White House that wasn't a multi-millionaire with 30+ years involvement in the sleaze and corruption of D.C...Obama may be the only fresh face that can get some bipartisan cooperation and unite a very divided nation.......The other two have too many enemies and too much baggage.....

But coming from a state that has the least amount of blacks of any (less than 0.5% of the population) - I don't have the prejudices that many have.....

How about a verification of him being the most liberal congressman on the face of the planet. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought you claim to be no Liberal you are just not a Neocon. Obama being as liberal as he is and wanting to spend like he is, would make me think you would not vote for him based on your past opinions.

I am liking McCain a little more when I hear him talk. He listened to the people and I think he will make some effort towards Illegals. But I believe he will stick to his guns on ear marks, and if he does that alone I will be impressed. A president that would veto EVERY legislation with an ear mark in it would get my respect even if I did not agree with him on some other issues.

I would think the Ear Mark spending stand he is making would win your vote OT? Be real about the war we will pull out when we can no matter who is president, so why not go for someone that is promising less spending as McCain is. He has a history of sticking to his guns. He may be one of the first presidents to actually do as he says he will do, I would kind of like to see him put up or shut up in that regard.

GW made the same promise- then even after he got a Repub Congress, they spent like drunken sailors.... :shock: :( Remember "The Bridge to nowhere" :???: GW also made lots of promises while he was campaigning- like tort reform- and lowering health care and health care insurance costs, which rose 10.6 % last year alone and are about to overwhelm the common man if the economy doesn't totally implode first.... :(

So much for McCain sticking to his guns-- the other day he voted to keep GW's tax breaks- while when the original bill was voted on, he voted against it calling it "taxbreaks for the rich"...But then he wasn't trying to get the elitist conservative neocon nomination :roll: :(

I originally thought McCain was the best candidate- back years ago..Until I started looking into his past- his lobbyest connections- and his voting record--which all show he's just another neocon that could care less about the average guy on the street- or the country as a whole- as long as he can take care of his corporate buddies and keep them happy....This was proven with his amnesty bill....

My biggest problem with McCain is that GW and his whole crew has made it almost impossible for me to believe anything that comes out of any of these new neocon Republicans mouths... :(

There is no Ross Perot this time (which I totally believe if we had elected would have this country in lot better shape than it is)-- so I may have to go with who the Libertarians choose...I like a lot of there new platform- which is much more like the old conservative Republican platform....
 

kolanuraven

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passin thru said:
....for those of you who have no knowledge of such things, in the world of the black church you can do nothing WORSE than dis-own your preacher!

There is no way I will attack you for that statement. It only makes Obama scarier as the President.

It just proves that we do not want Obama as Prez..........if he can not cross his preacher or distance himself.
We may as well elct the American Hating Preacher himself in that case

I think maybe this "translated " wrong here.

You can ' disagree' with your preacher...but you better not do it publicly and out loud, so to say. Kinda like this Admin is now....regarding Bush and his loyalists around him . ( NOT starting a fight....just making a recent comparison that most of you can relate to)


It's a loyalty issue more than an ' agreement/disagreement' issue that is at the heart of it all.

Major decisions of family and personal life are made, in both black and white churches in the South, on ' what does the preacher say/think about it?"
:???: :???: :???:
Now, me, I'm too much of heretic to get on this bus....but I am the MINORITY on this issue in this part of the country.

This is how it will hurt him, probably, in this part of the world when it comes to the FINAL votes.

I hope I explained it a bit better. It hard to explain unless you've lived around it all your life!
 
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