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Officials await tests on man for human Mad Cow Disease Texas

flounder

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Monday, July 21, 2008
Officials await tests on man for human Mad Cow Disease (Texas)
Officials await tests on man for human Mad Cow Disease

By Mary Ann Cavazos (Contact) Originally published 05:30 p.m., July 21, 2008 Updated 05:30 p.m., July 21, 2008

CORPUS CHRISTI — Local health officials are awaiting test results to determine whether a Corpus Christi man who died earlier this month had the human form of mad cow disease.
Annette Rodriguez, interim director of the Corpus Christi-Nueces County Health District, said the district was notified by officials from a local hospital that a patient may have had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

A brain biopsy is needed to confirm if the man had the disease and whether it is the variant linked to mad cow. Those results will come from out-of-state and will be available in about two months, Rodriguez said.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web site, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is a rare but fatal brain disorder in humans.

It is believed that humans can become infected by consuming contaminated meat or through a blood transfusion from a person who already has the disease.

The man, whose identity and age were not released, traveled extensively and it is unclear where he may have been exposed to the disease, Rodriguez said.

“He traveled all over the world,” she said

http://www.caller.com/news/2008/jul/21/officials-await-tests-man-human-mad-cow-disease/

CJD TEXAS (cjd clusters)

http://cjdtexas.blogspot.com/

don't these dummies know by now that the USA does not have any mad cow disease and or any human cjd ramifications from a mad cow, cause the USDA says so... NOT

there has been a decade old, systematic cover-up of corporate homicide just because of trade, futures and commodities. the elderly demented, your grandma and grandpa, mom and dad, sisters and brothers, are all expendable, due to the fact the American joe-cue-public is just to damn lazy to care. the elderly and demented are expendable. but mark my word here and now, it's here, and has been, call it what you like.....

10 people killed by new CJD-like disease

Public release date: 9-Jul-2008

Since Gambetti's team wrote a paper describing an initial 11 cases referred to his centre between 2002 and 2006 (Annals of Neurology, vol 63, p 697), another five have come to light. "So it is possible that it could be just the tip of the iceberg," Gambetti says.

snip...end

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-07/ns-tpk070908.php

sporadic CJD, the big lie

Thursday, July 10, 2008 A Novel Human Disease with Abnormal Prion Protein Sensitive to Protease update July 10, 2008

http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/2008/07/novel-human-disease-with-abnormal-prion.html

Thursday, July 10, 2008 A New Prionopathy update July 10, 2008

http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-prionopathy-update-july-10-2008.html

MAD COW DISEASE terminology UK c-BSE (typical), atypical BSE H or L, and or Italian L-BASE

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2008/03/mad-cow-disease-terminology-uk-c-bse.html

Saturday, June 21, 2008 HUMAN and ANIMAL TSE Classifications i.e. mad cow disease and the UKBSEnvCJD only theory JUNE 2008

http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/2008/06/human-and-animal-tse-classifications-ie.html

if you will notice on the forms page on the cjd foundation site, there is not cjd questionnaire ??? strange...

http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/forms.html

vCJD questionnaire

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/report/volume8/pdf/1stquestionnaire.pdf

USA WRITTEN CJD QUESTIONNAIRE ???

http://cjdquestionnaire.blogspot.com/

why is a cjd questionnaire not listed on the cjd foundation 'forms' site with the rest of their forms ???

i thought they had one now going out to all families of victims of a human TSE???

this is very important that a _written_ cjd questionnaire, asking extensive questions pertaining to any potential route and source of the TSE agent be submitted to every family of a victim of a human TSE. this is key to finding cause. so why is this still so difficult? are the families of CJD victims getting these written cjd questionnaires??? i hope so....

2008
The statistical incidence of CJD cases in the United States has been revised to reflect that there is

_one case per 9000 in adults age 55 and older_.

Eighty-five percent of the cases are sporadic, meaning there is no known cause at present.

http://www.cjdfoundation.org/fact.html

FDA FAILED US

http://fdafailedus.blogspot.com/

SCIENCE BUSHWHACKED

http://sciencebushwhacked.blogspot.com/

Sunday, July 20, 2008 Red Cross told to fix blood collection or face charges 15 years after warnings issued, few changes made to ensure safety

http://vcjdblood.blogspot.com/2008/07/red-cross-told-to-fix-blood-collection.html

we know how clusters are handled in NJ too. as long as the infamous UKBSEnvCJD only theory is in play, the CDC et al will play it out to the T. no other science will exist, and it does not matter that the last two mad cows in the USA were atypical BSE. as old stan said, nothing else matters, just the beef crossing the borders. just because science is now pointing to not only BSE to nvCJD, but atypical BSE looking like some sub types of sporadic CJD, atypical scrapie looking also like some sub types of sporadic CJD. CWD to humans as ? come on folks, how long can this same sad masquerade keep on playing out$$$

An Evaluation of a Suspected Cluster of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) in New Jersey May 2004 Division of Epidemiology, Environmental and Occupational Health

snip...

If consumption of BSE contaminated beef at the GSRT between 1988 and 1992 caused sporadic CJD, the data should show increases in the numbers of case-patients by now, assuming the same lag (incubation) period as vCJD.

snip...

http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/cjd2004.pdf

The Case of the Cherry Hill Cluster By D.T. MAX

Published: March 28, 2004

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/28/magazine/28MADCOW.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5007&en=e9ce343a2ac0c0ac&ex=1395810000&partner=USERLAND

-- the scientists who say it exists; the heartbroken family members who doubt it. Early, deep in his grief, he would sign his e-mail messages to scientists, ''I am the madson of a deadmom who died of madcow.'' Singeltary turned out to be helpful for Skarbek. He pointed her to a paper that was published in 2002 in the journal of the European Molecular Biology Organization by John Collinge, the premier prion researcher in England. Collinge argued that experiments conducted in mice suggest that infections with mad cow can sometimes look like sporadic C.J.D. Collinge accepted the implications: he recommended that ''serious consideration should be given'' to the idea that some of the more recent sporadic C.J.D. cases in Europe were in fact related to mad cow disease.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/28/magazine/28MADCOW.html?pagewanted=5&ei=5007&en=e9ce343a2ac0c0ac&ex=1395810000&partner=USERLAND

i hate to inform them, but sporadic CJD has increased. sporadic CJD in the USA went from 28 cases _documented_ in 1997, to 170 cases of sporadic CJD _documented_ in 2007. i'm not a math wiz, but looks like an increase to me. ...

6 Includes 55 cases with type determination pending in which the diagnosis of vCJD has been excluded.

http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/pdf/case-table.pdf

hmmm, they can exclude vCJD, but yet include them as a prion disease, but yet not know what the hell it is, and at the same time, keep telling everyone i.e. media, that ;

>>>Further tests will be conducted to determine the cause of the Cape patient's illness, but state disease trackers said there is nothing to suggest that the patient's case is associated with mad cow disease. Instead, like virtually all cases in the United States, it is almost certainly not linked to any obvious external cause.<<<

stupid is, as stupid does, and joe-q-public continues to believe this garbage. ...TSS
He added that because the CDC only provide information on diseases, they have no plans
to make a separate press release on the issue including the result of the investigation.
and that is the way they plan to keep it, all spontaneous, sporadic, no route, no source $$$

DEEP THROAT TO TSS 2000-2001 (take these old snips of emails with how ever many grains of salt you wish. ...tss)

The most frightening thing I have read all day is the report of Gambetti's finding of a new strain of sporadic cjd in young people...

Dear God, what in the name of all that is holy is that!!! If the US has different strains of scrapie.....why????than the UK...

then would the same mechanisms that make different strains of scrapie here make different strains of BSE...if the patterns are different in sheep and mice for scrapie.....could not the BSE be different in the cattle, in the mink, in the humans.......I really think the slides or tissues and everything from these young people with the new strain of sporadic cjd should be put up to be analyzed by many, many experts in cjd........bse.....scrapie Scrape the damn slide and put it into mice.....wait.....chop up the mouse brain and and spinal cord........put into some more mice.....dammit amplify the thing and start the damned research.....This is NOT rocket science...we need to use what we know and get off our butts and move....the whining about how long everything takes.....well it takes a whole lot longer if you whine for a year and then start the research!!!

Not sure where I read this but it was a recent press release or something like that: I thought I would fall out of my chair when I read about how there was no worry about infectivity from a histopath slide or tissues because they are preserved in formic acid, or formalin or formaldehyde.....for God's sake........ Ask any pathologist in the UK what the brain tissues in the formalin looks like after a year.......it is a big fat sponge...the agent continues to eat the brain ......you can't make slides anymore because the agent has never stopped........and the old slides that are stained with Hemolysin and Eosin......they get holier and holier and degenerate and continue...what you looked at 6 months ago is not there........Gambetti better be photographing every damned thing he is looking at.....


Okay, you need to know. You don't need to pass it on as nothing will come of it and there is not a damned thing anyone can do about it. Don't even hint at it as it will be denied and laughed at.......... USDA is gonna do as little as possible until there is actually a human case in the USA of the nvcjd........if you want to move this thing along and shake the earth....then we gotta get the victims families to make sure whoever is doing the autopsy is credible, trustworthy, and a saint with the courage of Joan of Arc........I am not kidding!!!! so, unless we get a human death from EXACTLY the same form with EXACTLY the same histopath lesions as seen in the UK nvcjd........forget any action........it is ALL gonna be sporadic!!!


And, if there is a case.......there is gonna be every effort to link it to international travel, international food, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. They will go so far as to find out if a sex partner had ever traveled to the UK/europe, etc. etc. .... It is gonna be a long, lonely, dangerous twisted journey to the truth. They have all the cards, all the money, and are willing to threaten and carry out those threats....and this may be their biggest downfall...


Thanks as always for your help. (Recently had a very startling revelation from a rather senior person in government here..........knocked me out of my chair........you must keep pushing. If I was a power person....I would be demanding that there be a least a million bovine tested as soon as possible and agressively seeking this disease. The big players are coming out of the woodwork as there is money to be made!!! In short: "FIRE AT WILL"!!! for the very dumb....who's "will"! "Will be the burden to bare if there is any coverup!"


again it was said years ago and it should be taken seriously....BSE will NEVER be found in the US! As for the BSE conference call...I think you did a great service to freedom of information and making some people feign integrity...I find it scary to see that most of the "experts" are employed by the federal government or are supported on the "teat" of federal funds. A scary picture! I hope there is a confidential panel organized by the new government to really investigate this thing.


You need to watch your back........but keep picking at them.......like a buzzard to the bone...you just may get to the truth!!! (You probably have more support than you know. Too many people are afraid to show you or let anyone else know. I have heard a few things myself... you ask the questions that everyone else is too afraid to ask.)


snip...end

http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/2008/06/portsmouth-woman-did-not-die-of-mad-cow.html

TSS
 

Kato

Well-known member
What's the agenda Flounder? :? :? :?

It would be nice to actually hear your own opinion on things. Are you a real person? Or an automated news service? Come on! Say something! Something original, right from your own mind please. :???:

I'm starting to think that you're just taking pleasure in other people's misfortunes. Prove me wrong. Say something constructive. :shock:
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
Hey Flounder can you answer Katos question,cause you know what,we lost a Good rancher-poster to your BS{Fed-Up} I believe ranchers on both side of the border aren't real impressed with your agenda anymore.
 

flounder

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Hey Flounder can you answer Katos question,cause you know what,we lost a Good rancher-poster to your BS{Fed-Up} I believe ranchers on both side of the border aren't real impressed with your agenda anymore.

no i will not. my agenda has not changed (the truth), and you kanucks on the other side of the border are just gonna have to deal with it, just like the ones on this side of the border that continue to want to sweep mad cow disease under the rug.

hope that answers both your questions. ...


TSS
 

Mike

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Hey Flounder can you answer Katos question,cause you know what,we lost a Good rancher-poster to your BS{Fed-Up} I believe ranchers on both side of the border aren't real impressed with your agenda anymore.

I agree wholeheartedly Mrs. Greg. This guy can't wait until he gets to take a jab at the ranchers on here, in the U.S., AND Canada.

I don't understand why Macon hasn't booted him yet. He certainly doesn't have information that the rest of us couldn't dig up.

I tried asking him to go back and get his highschool diploma, but he's too busy runnin' us down..........................

Like we really have something to do with BSE policy. :roll: :roll:
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Mike said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Hey Flounder can you answer Katos question,cause you know what,we lost a Good rancher-poster to your BS{Fed-Up} I believe ranchers on both side of the border aren't real impressed with your agenda anymore.

I agree wholeheartedly Mrs. Greg. This guy can't wait until he gets to take a jab at the ranchers on here, in the U.S., AND Canada.

I don't understand why Macon hasn't booted him yet. He certainly doesn't have information that the rest of us couldn't dig up.

I tried asking him to go back and get his highschool diploma, but he's too busy runnin' us down..........................

Like we really have something to do with BSE policy. :roll: :roll:

I wouldn't want Macon to boot him because we are better than that...I just ignore his post! :p He could save Macon some bandwidth by just posting a link to his blog.

Here's a question for you, Terry...
186,000 cases of BSE in England...shouldn't everyone in the UK be dead or dying from some disease related to BSE?????????????????????
 

Mike

Well-known member
I wouldn't want Macon to boot him because we are better than that...I just ignore his post!

Being "better than that" is no excuse to allow an anti-beef vegan advocate to constantly downgrade ranchers on a forum that is named "Ranchers.net". :roll:

His spewing of such arrogance like:
and you kanucks on the other side of the border are just gonna have to deal with it, just like the ones on this side of the border
shows his diplomacy ineptitude while at the same time talking down our livlihood to consumers worldwide.

This was his response to a request that he give his real feelings!!!! :roll:
 

Kato

Well-known member
So I guess now we know what they really are eh? :roll: :roll: :roll:

So I for one, since I now know the real sentiment behind them, am not going to read them any more. 8) 8)
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Flounder,I think you oughta lighten up a little,your posts are too lenghty and redundant, your message gets lost in some of the boring text.
good luck
 

flounder

Well-known member
Mike said:
I wouldn't want Macon to boot him because we are better than that...I just ignore his post!

Being "better than that" is no excuse to allow an anti-beef vegan advocate to constantly downgrade ranchers on a forum that is named "Ranchers.net". :roll:

His spewing of such arrogance like:
and you kanucks on the other side of the border are just gonna have to deal with it, just like the ones on this side of the border
shows his diplomacy ineptitude while at the same time talking down our livlihood to consumers worldwide.

This was his response to a request that he give his real feelings!!!! :roll:



just shows how much you _dont_ know mike. i am a meat eater. and if a meat eater wants a safer and better product, shoot him. i dont know how you sell anything. people are dying, and you are crying about your 'livlihood'. yes, my feelings are very real. you are your worst enemy mike. every time you speak, your ignorance to this problem is magnified. instead of being mad at me, you should be mad at the USDA et al, there the ones that got you in this mess, and if you cannot see that, you should not be in the business. ...terry
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Just how big a mess is it???????????????? More people die every year from food allergies than BSE related causes...people are dying, why aren't you taking up that cause?????? :shock: :???:

By the way, you are showing your ignorance on Mike's position on BSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p :roll:
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Flounder,I think you oughta lighten up a little,your posts are too lenghty and redundant, your message gets lost in some of the boring text.
good luck

Hay Maker, you are cutting terry way too much slack!!!!! :shock: :lol: :lol:
 

Mike

Well-known member
There is not, nor has there ever been a bigger opponent of the USDA beef policy than myself.

You are one stupid individual.

By coming on a "Ranchers" forum and talking down producers, you are going to make a "safer and better" product? :roll:

Cow-Calf Producers are all about "safer and better" product. That's how we get paid.

What happens when cattle move up the line is out of our control.

Get a life............................. "Dr. Singletary" :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
HAY MAKER said:
Flounder,I think you oughta lighten up a little,your posts are too lenghty and redundant, your message gets lost in some of the boring text.
good luck

Hay Maker, you are cutting terry way too much slack!!!!! :shock: :lol: :lol:

Well I hafta admitt,he does seem to "flounder"quite abit :lol2:

good luck

PS are yall dry over there ? been drier than a sack of bull durham around here.
even the hurricane missed me,suppose I need to get to church more regularly.
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
flounder said:
Mike said:
I wouldn't want Macon to boot him because we are better than that...I just ignore his post!

Being "better than that" is no excuse to allow an anti-beef vegan advocate to constantly downgrade ranchers on a forum that is named "Ranchers.net". :roll:

His spewing of such arrogance like:
and you kanucks on the other side of the border are just gonna have to deal with it, just like the ones on this side of the border
shows his diplomacy ineptitude while at the same time talking down our livlihood to consumers worldwide.

This was his response to a request that he give his real feelings!!!! :roll:



just shows how much you _dont_ know mike. i am a meat eater. and if a meat eater wants a safer and better product, shoot him. i dont know how you sell anything. people are dying, and you are crying about your 'livlihood'. yes, my feelings are very real. you are your worst enemy mike. every time you speak, your ignorance to this problem is magnified. instead of being mad at me, you should be mad at the USDA et al, there the ones that got you in this mess, and if you cannot see that, you should not be in the business. ...terry
Obviously Terry you post here in Bull but NEVER EVER read anything else in ranchers...take a few minutes away from your precious "cause" and read some of the other posts here in Bull and in Ranchtalk......THEN come back and tell me and the rest of the guys raising cattle on here we're not fighting to put THE best AND safest product we can out there to our buying public.
I can almost promice that all of us cattlemen eat our own product. Just what do you take us for,our own families are also eating this.
I can understand what got you started BUT your anger and bitterness is getting you nowhere in here but alot of really good people angry at you.Instead of fighting against us don't you think your "cause" will get you further but fighting with us?????
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
RobertMac said:
HAY MAKER said:
Flounder,I think you oughta lighten up a little,your posts are too lenghty and redundant, your message gets lost in some of the boring text.
good luck

Hay Maker, you are cutting terry way too much slack!!!!! :shock: :lol: :lol:

Well I hafta admitt,he does seem to "flounder"quite abit :lol2:

good luck

PS are yall dry over there ? been drier than a sack of bull durham around here.
even the hurricane missed me,suppose I need to get to church more regularly.
Thanks for asking, got this 7-24. :D Add everything from the end of April till I got this and it wouldn't equal this rain. If I hadn't seen it rain myself, I'd be looking for Shortgrass! :wink: 8)
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Bill

Well-known member
It seems that the few remaing on the Bull Session have finally taken the same view that some of us took long ago towards flounders posts. Congratulations in finally speaking up.

I hope everyone is having a good growing season and getting some feed made.
 

Kato

Well-known member
Ya, I know I said I wouldn't read flounder posts any more, but sometimes it's kind of like watching a car wreck. You don't want to look, but you just can't help yourself. :? :?


just shows how much you _dont_ know mike. i am a meat eater. and if a meat eater wants a safer and better product, shoot him. i dont know how you sell anything. people are dying, and you are crying about your 'livlihood'. yes, my feelings are very real. you are your worst enemy mike. every time you speak, your ignorance to this problem is magnified. instead of being mad at me, you should be mad at the USDA et al, there the ones that got you in this mess, and if you cannot see that, you should not be in the business. ...terry

What would your friends at vegsource.com say if they knew that??? :shock: :shock: :shock: OH MY!!!!!!!


I've been doing a little googling.

Now I think I know where you're coming from, and it's a bad thing that happened to your mother. We have all lost people we love from various causes, and it's never easy.

However, on the other hand, dumping posts about every bad thing you may percieve about the beef business in a place like Rancher's Net makes a person think that "Helping the Situation" is not on your agenda. Constant bombardment with one negative cut and paste after another serves no purpose other than to alienate and marginalize your cause.

The good people here, who raise the cattle and live with them 24 / 7 are not the issue, and are already doing whatever they can possibly do to raise healthy well cared for animals. Insulting cattlemen and making a career out of constantly posting demoralizing, demeaning and scaremongering articles isn't going to do anything constructive. This is why people here get mad at you. You never say anything constructive. Ever. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Take your complaints to the government. That's where they belong. Have some constructive solutions, make allies, and you will get help. Alienate the very people who can help the most, and you will work alone.

That's all I have to say about that.......

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/article/138
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Kato said:
Ya, I know I said I wouldn't read flounder posts any more, but sometimes it's kind of like watching a car wreck. You don't want to look, but you just can't help yourself. :? :?


just shows how much you _dont_ know mike. i am a meat eater. and if a meat eater wants a safer and better product, shoot him. i dont know how you sell anything. people are dying, and you are crying about your 'livlihood'. yes, my feelings are very real. you are your worst enemy mike. every time you speak, your ignorance to this problem is magnified. instead of being mad at me, you should be mad at the USDA et al, there the ones that got you in this mess, and if you cannot see that, you should not be in the business. ...terry

What would your friends at vegsource.com say if they knew that??? :shock: :shock: :shock: OH MY!!!!!!!

I've been doing a little googling.

Now I think I know where you're coming from, and it's a bad thing that happened to your mother. We have all lost people we love from various causes, and it's never easy.

However, on the other hand, dumping posts about every bad thing you may percieve about the beef business in a place like Rancher's Net makes a person think that "Helping the Situation" is not on your agenda. Constant bombardment with one negative cut and paste after another serves no purpose other than to alienate and marginalize your cause.

The good people here, who raise the cattle and live with them 24 / 7 are not the issue, and are already doing whatever they can possibly do to raise healthy well cared for animals. Insulting cattlemen and making a career out of constantly posting demoralizing, demeaning and scaremongering articles isn't going to do anything constructive. This is why people here get mad at you. You never say anything constructive. Ever. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Take your complaints to the government. That's where they belong. Have some constructive solutions, make allies, and you will get help. Alienate the very people who can help the most, and you will work alone.

That's all I have to say about that.......

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/article/138


Kato,are you serious ? this guy is a vegetarian,that has been allowed to spew anti beef garbage on a cattlemans website ?
I dont believe in censorship,but I do believe this person needs to go,its obvious he's no friend of the cattleman.
good luck
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
:shock: Whoa.....all along I've believed Terrys mom died from vCJD,now I find out it was sporadic :evil: Guess I mostly ignored his posts. I'm not one for saying get rid of anyone either but I'm thinking now why are we allowing someone with a bogus cause come on here and spew hatred for the cattle industry. :???:
 
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