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Texan

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...I found something really important concerning YOUR country we can talk about. :lol:


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Canada's biggest mistake: Gay marriage
Posted: April 15, 2008, 7:02 PM by Marni Soupcoff
Michael Coren

What makes the national mistake of legalizing same-sex marriage unique in Canadian history is that to even discuss the issue is considered by many, particularly our elites, to be at the very least in extraordinarily bad taste. Although this is a valid and vital debate about social policy, anyone critiquing the status quo is likely to be marginalized as hateful, extreme or simply mad. Social conservatives aren’t just wrong, they’re evil.

The discussion, we are told, is over. Which is what triumphalist bullies have said for centuries after they win a battle. In this case, the intention is to marginalize anyone who dares to still speak out. In other words, to silence them.

It’s important to emphasize that this is not really about homosexuality at all, and has nothing to do with homosexual people living together. Opponents of same-sex marriage may have ethical and religious objections to homosexuality, but they are irrelevant to the central argument. Which is not about the rights of a sexual minority but the status and meaning of marriage.

Indeed, the deconstruction of marriage began not with the gay community asking for the right to marry but with the heterosexual world rejecting it. The term “common-law marriage” said it all. Marriage is many things, but it is never common. Yet with this semantic and legal revolution, desire and convenience replaced commitment and dedication. The qualifications, so to speak, were lowered.

And one does indeed have to qualify for marriage; just as one has, for example, to qualify for a pension or a military medal. People who have not reached the age of retirement don’t qualify for a pension, people who don’t serve in the armed forces don’t qualify for a military medal. It’s not a question of equality but requirement. A human right is intrinsic, a social institution is not.

The four great and historic qualifications for marriage always have been number, gender, age and blood. Two people, male and female, over a certain age and not closely related. Mainstream and responsible societies have sometimes changed the age of maturity, but incest has always been condemned and, by its nature, died out because of retardation.

As for polygamy, it’s making something of a comeback — and here begin the objections.

Whenever this is mentioned by critics of same-sex marriage we are accused of using the slippery-slope argument. Sorry, some slopes are slippery. Polygamy is an ancient tradition within Islam — and was in Sephardic Judaism and some Asian cultures. When the precedent of gay marriage is combined with the freedom of religion defence, the courts will have a difficult time rejecting it.

At the moment, the Muslim community is not sufficiently politically comfortable to pursue the issue; and the clearly deranged polygamous sects on the aesthetic as well as geographical fringes of Canadian society cloud any reasonable debate. But the argument will certainly come and the result is largely inevitable. If love is the only criterion for marriage who are we to judge the love between a man and his wives?

The state, though, should have a duty to judge and to do so based on its own interests. The most significant of which is its continued existence, meaning that we have to produce children. As procreation is the likely, if not essential, result of marriage between a man and a woman, it is in the interests of the state to encourage marriage.

Of course lesbian couples can have an obliging friend assist them in having a baby, and gay men can adopt or have an obliging friend have one for them, but this is hardly the norm and hardly going to guarantee the longevity of a stable society. Just as significant, it smashes the fundamental concept of a child being produced through an act of love. The donation of bodily fluid by an anonymous person, or that obliging friend again, is an act not of love but of lust, indifference, profit or a mere, well, helping hand.

For the first time not only in Canadian but in world history we are purposefully creating and legitimizing families where there will be either no male or no female role model and parent. Anyone who speaks of uncles, aunts, communities and villages raising children has no real understanding of family life. Single-parent families exist and are sometimes excellent and, obviously, not every mother/father family is a success. But to consciously create unbalanced families where children can never enjoy the profound difference between man and woman, mother and father, is dangerous social engineering.

We made a terrible mistake, and may not appreciate the full consequences for a generation. We allowed emotion to obscure logic and belittled anyone who appeared out of step with the current fashion. To marry without good reason in regrettable, to divorce good reasoning from public policy is a disgrace.

— Michael Coren is a writer and broadcaster.


http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/04/15/
michael-coren-on-canada-s-biggest-mistake-gay-marriage.aspx

(Long link, so copy and paste both lines if you want to see it.)
 

CattleArmy

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What totally amazes me is it appears that some on the boards are against commitment. I don't care if it's two men, two women, a man and a women to me it's worthwhile when two individuals want to make a commitment to one another. We live in a society where more and more commitment is becoming a thing of the past.

Some of you need to think less about the sex involved and more about the commitment issue. The right to health insurance benefits, the right to make medical decisions about someone you love, and the right of survirorship.
 

jigs

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I don't think it is about the commitment, it is about right and wrong.

I am very committed to my male friends. they get in a fight, I am there to whoop ass, they need cash, I sc rape a few bucks together.
and if a guy is gay, so be it. just keep it behiond closed doors, we do not need to see it out in the open. and you do not have the same rights as a married man and woman.

marriage is a union between a man and a woman, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and STEVE.


however, I do agree that there is too much of a trend these days with people splitting up. the effect of it on kids is terrible. my brother,recently divorced, has 3 girls under 10 yrs old. and I ride his butt al;l the time about the commitment he made BEFORE GOD, to love and honor till DEATH do they part.....his comment " it is just a broken contract"

well, for me, breaking a contract is no big deal, happens every day...but to break one with the Lord, who is in command of your ETERNITY, I think I will have a bit more worry about breaking it....
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
What totally amazes me is it appears that some on the boards are against commitment. I don't care if it's two men, two women, a man and a women to me it's worthwhile when two individuals want to make a commitment to one another. We live in a society where more and more commitment is becoming a thing of the past.

Some of you need to think less about the sex involved and more about the commitment issue. The right to health insurance benefits, the right to make medical decisions about someone you love, and the right of survirorship.

I don't think it's real wise to accomodate what God calls an "abomination".
 

Mrs.Greg

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Over the last few years,I'm not going to say my tolerance changed,I believe its been more my understanding.I'm not going to dispute what God does or doesn't say in the bible,thats another revelation I had. The bible can be interpeted anyway one wants it to be.

From little on,I've had a special bond with this young man,hes just a walking smile,kind to a fault. He volunteered at the lodge my homecare office is in. The way he treated the seniors was touching.I chose to get my groceries onThurs. evening because Anthony and his frend Carly worked and I loved being in the presence of those two bubbly friends.Anthony was raised strict catholic and is true to his belief{won't fight with anyone on here about belief,so don't bother}

Anthony graduated school last year,off to the city he went,last week I was told Anthony was beat up very badly...why? Because hes gay,this broke my heart. I wish and pray for this wonderful young man,he finds the love he deserves. If he wants the commitment of marriage,its there for him in our country. not in his church though.

I've been open to letting people in my life that take me out of my comfort zone{read shortgrasses Sunday message today}Because of this I've been lucky enough to get to know Anthony and one of my dearest friends is a Jehova Witness,that my life wouldn't be the same without.Brendas interpetation of the Bible is WAY different then mine but she gets to God that way so it works in her world,nothing wrong with that.Another friend I have is this kooky guy from Texas,I had a bitter taste in my mouth over a certain Texas boy and this Texan showed me they ain't all like that.Its all a matter of what we're open too.

And that was my Sunday morning message. :wink:
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker said:
CattleArmy said:
What totally amazes me is it appears that some on the boards are against commitment. I don't care if it's two men, two women, a man and a women to me it's worthwhile when two individuals want to make a commitment to one another. We live in a society where more and more commitment is becoming a thing of the past.

Some of you need to think less about the sex involved and more about the commitment issue. The right to health insurance benefits, the right to make medical decisions about someone you love, and the right of survirorship.

I don't think it's real wise to accomodate what God calls an "abomination".

If we go with your theory of doing what God wants us to then why tell me why do even Bible thumpers have bad things go on in their lives? Why do those that so truely believe and have faith have bad things in their lives? Why why why? Why do little innocent kids get sick? Why why why?

I don't care if two men have sex any more then I care what goes on in your bedroom. That's what is wrong to many focus on the act instead of the emotion involved plus any more there is the legality of so many things that if people were committed through law (notice I didn't say the church) that would make health decisions and right of survivorship easier.
 

CattleArmy

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jigs said:
well, for me, breaking a contract is no big deal, happens every day...but to break one with the Lord, who is in command of your ETERNITY, I think I will have a bit more worry about breaking it....

I think everyone at one time or another has broken a commandment or two.






Good post Mrs. Greg.
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
I wonder if Canada will have an immigration problem with Homosexual Americans moving there to be wed?
I don't think one has to immigrate to wed in Canada. I remember a boat of Us citizans hitting Canadian waters and being married in Canada...I may be wrong but I believe Rosy was one of them.

Lots of young people leave our country and get married in Mexico,Dominican,Cuba etc.
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
I wonder if Canada will have an immigration problem with Homosexual Americans moving there to be wed?
I don't think one has to immigrate to wed in Canada. I remember a boat of Us citizans hitting Canadian waters and being married in Canada...I may be wrong but I believe Rosy was one of them.

Lots of young people leave our country and get married in Mexico,Dominican,Cuba etc.

If there was ever a person I wish you had to keep it would be Rosy, can we send her back again, this time for keeps? :wink:
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
I wonder if Canada will have an immigration problem with Homosexual Americans moving there to be wed?
I don't think one has to immigrate to wed in Canada. I remember a boat of Us citizans hitting Canadian waters and being married in Canada...I may be wrong but I believe Rosy was one of them.

Lots of young people leave our country and get married in Mexico,Dominican,Cuba etc.

If there was ever a person I wish you had to keep it would be Rosy, can we send her back again, this time for keeps? :wink:
I "almost" feel quilty saying NO,since you've kindly kept Pamela Anderson in your country.But two wrongs don't make a right :p

Disclaimer...I don't dislike Rosy because shes gay,I dislike her mouth and horribly BAD attitude
 

aplusmnt

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CattleArmy said:
What totally amazes me is it appears that some on the boards are against commitment. I don't care if it's two men, two women, a man and a women to me it's worthwhile when two individuals want to make a commitment to one another. We live in a society where more and more commitment is becoming a thing of the past.

Some of you need to think less about the sex involved and more about the commitment issue. The right to health insurance benefits, the right to make medical decisions about someone you love, and the right of survirorship.

I don't think commitment is a strong point within the Gay community. Homosexual men are known to be about the most unfaithful group out there.

I really don't care what people do in their bedrooms, I believe it is against Gods laws but that is between them and God. I do not think laws of the land should be made to accommodate religious beliefs. But I do not think Laws and rules should be changed to accommodate a Sexual fetish either.

Marriage is an institution that deserves to be allowed to stand as it has always been, and not changed on a whim of a group of people that campaign to make normal what goes against nature and history of the family arrangement.

I do not believe allowing gays to marry is going to strengthen the marriage or the family commitment, it will only serve to make a mockery of it and weaken something that helped forge this nation in to what it is today.

Then you have those Gays, that are looking at the financial upside to being married, they have no respect for the tradition it holds they just want the legal perks.
 

jigs

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CattleArmy said:
jigs said:
well, for me, breaking a contract is no big deal, happens every day...but to break one with the Lord, who is in command of your ETERNITY, I think I will have a bit more worry about breaking it....

I think everyone at one time or another has broken a commandment or two.






Good post Mrs. Greg.

I agree, I have sure broke my share. I just think the gay crowd hurts thier cause by trying to push it at every moment.

do what they want, just don't do it where I have to see.....
 

kolanuraven

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Why do you see gay marriage as destroying ' regular' marriage?


Gay guys are not stealing men for marriage.....gay women are not stealing straight women for marriage....they marry each other gay marries gay.

So where is the threat to hetero marriage?


A lot of hetero marriages are no ' golden standard' for the institution of marriage either!!!


Leave people alone...let'em do as they please where marriage is concerned....it's no ones business. You say it's between them and their GOD....so be it and stay out of it!!


Gays married for financial benefits? :???: :???: And hetero people don't do the same thing? :roll: :roll: Come on....get your head out of the sand?
 

Mrs.Greg

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This is not a popular take on things but here I go anyway.

I don't feel we have a right to judge people on hormonal balances in thier bodies,balances I believe we are very probably contributing to in our over use of hormones in our foods.I'm not just talking meat,we're using these chemicals in ALL food. Look at young girls nowadays....tell me hormone levels aren't out of balance when 7yr old girls are developing.

Who do you think Gods going to Judge on that one :???:
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
Sandhusker said:
CattleArmy said:
What totally amazes me is it appears that some on the boards are against commitment. I don't care if it's two men, two women, a man and a women to me it's worthwhile when two individuals want to make a commitment to one another. We live in a society where more and more commitment is becoming a thing of the past.

Some of you need to think less about the sex involved and more about the commitment issue. The right to health insurance benefits, the right to make medical decisions about someone you love, and the right of survirorship.

I don't think it's real wise to accomodate what God calls an "abomination".

If we go with your theory of doing what God wants us to then why tell me why do even Bible thumpers have bad things go on in their lives? Why do those that so truely believe and have faith have bad things in their lives? Why why why? Why do little innocent kids get sick? Why why why?

I don't care if two men have sex any more then I care what goes on in your bedroom. That's what is wrong to many focus on the act instead of the emotion involved plus any more there is the legality of so many things that if people were committed through law (notice I didn't say the church) that would make health decisions and right of survivorship easier.

I don't know of anywhere in the Bible that it says that nothing bad will ever happen to believers. We have free will, and those around us have free will as well. Bad things result from the free will of sinful beings. You're living in a fallen world now, this isn't Heaven.

If two men want to hold hands and anally violate each other, that's their business. I know they'll have to answer to God for those actions same as I'll have to answer to God for my sins. However, I will not do anything that legitimizes nor condones their lifestyle, because it is clearly wrong.
 

kolanuraven

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jigs said:
CattleArmy said:
jigs said:
well, for me, breaking a contract is no big deal, happens every day...but to break one with the Lord, who is in command of your ETERNITY, I think I will have a bit more worry about breaking it....

I think everyone at one time or another has broken a commandment or two.






Good post Mrs. Greg.

I agree, I have sure broke my share. I just think the gay crowd hurts thier cause by trying to push it at every moment.

do what they want, just don't do it where I have to see.....



Where are YOU actually ' seeing' all this so called ' gay behavior' you keep mentioning????

First thing is to clean off the temp files in your computer and quit looking at it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And how are they pushing their cause at every moment? How many times this year has a gay person came up to you and tried their damndest to convert you? Come on...just how many times have you been approached?


NONE...is where I'd bet my money.
 

jigs

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when going out to eat, and my 7 year old asks why those two guys are holding hands, is in my opinion, forcing the issue into my household.

even tv is now into the gay thing. seems like every show has a homo pair. and it is just as bad with the soaps how they have the continual bed hopping.....

to each his own I guess....if two guys want to spend their honeymoon sword fighting, let them do it....just keep it hidden.
 
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