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Old Taqiyya

loomixguy

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After seeing pictures of and reading the news about ISIS rounding up and murdering Christian AND Muslim men, women, and children by the hundreds....yes, CHILDREN. Are you still going to bloviate and tell us you worship the same God as ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Queda????

Or can't you bring yourself to admit that "something is wrong with this picture"???
 

loomixguy

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Bump.

Saw a picture this morning of the headless body of a little girl, decapitated because her parents were (are?) Christian.
Old Taqiyya's Allah works in mysterious ways, eh?
 

Mike

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Buckwheat should be horse-whipped for arming ISIS and allowing them to invade Iraq. Would have been much easier to decimate them when they crossed the Syrian-Iraq border. The Kurds & Yazidi's are generally a peaceful people that want to be left alone. I'll bet they miss Bush.

I put Buckwheat in category as Clinton when he forbade the use of the term "genocide" by his staff when the Hutus & Tutsi's were killing each other by the Millions in Africa and he refused to step in any at all. But he did apologize later. LMFAO!!!!!

But then fought FOR the Muslims in Eastern Europe under false pretenses.

Cowards both.
 
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loomixguy said:
After seeing pictures of and reading the news about ISIS rounding up and murdering Christian AND Muslim men, women, and children by the hundreds....yes, CHILDREN. Are you still going to bloviate and tell us you worship the same God as ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Queda????

Or can't you bring yourself to admit that "something is wrong with this picture"???

I think this has been pretty well answered earlier by Martin and others in earlier posts...
While I believe we all have one God and Creator--I'm a believer that those that can commit atrocities like that are not following God- but the false god, Satan...
No different than the Klu Klux Klan folks that claimed to be acting as Christians- but their atrocities included burning and bombing Christian Churchs- and killing not only men but women and little children to carry out their evil beliefs... Those are the acts of the Devil- not the followers of God....

Even many Muslims around the world have came out condemning these acts- and again stating that these radical extremist criminals do not represent their religion...

ISIS, the Caliphate, is Evil Incarnate

By
Matthew Clark Aug. 8, 2014

Each day we see new evidence of the unthinkable atrocities and barbarism unleashed by ISIS, the radical Islamic terrorist group oppressing much of Iraq and Syria.

Recently, ACLJ Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow and Senior Counsel Skip Ash compiled a report detailing the history, extent, and gravity of the danger posed by this ruthless jihadist terror group.

While born as an offshoot of al Qaeda, even these terrorists quickly distanced themselves from ISIS for its brutality and indiscriminate slaughter.

As the report explains:


ISIS has emerged as the most ruthless of the Sunni Jihadist organizations in Iraq and Syria. ISIS is so extreme that other well-known, radical Islamist and Jihadist groups have not only distanced themselves from ISIS but have also publicly condemned ISIS’s actions. ISIS jihadists commit violence against fellow Muslims in violation of Islamic law; they routinely commit war crimes and engage in torture in violation of international law; and they also issue threats to Muslim, Christian, and Jewish communities. What makes ISIS especially dangerous is that, not only are ISIS leaders and fighters ruthless, but they also have obtained sufficient material assets to support a standing military force and they possess the will to use weapons of mass destruction to carry out their fanatical aims.

As the report notes, ISIS is indiscriminate in its heinous barbarism:


Individuals suspected of violating Sharia law or opposing ISIS, including children as young as 8 years old, are abducted and transported to prisons, where they are flogged, tortured, and summarily executed. . . .

Reports from former detainees describe various modes of torture common in ISIS prisons: beating detainees with “generator belts, thick pieces of cable, sticks or other implements” and forcing detainees to remain in “contorted stress position … for long periods, inducing severe pain and possible long-term muscular or other damage.” One detainee reports being “tortured with electric shocks and beaten with a cable while suspended with only one foot touching the floor.” Other detainees claimed that ISIS utilizes solitary confinement and electric shocks. Still other reports indicate that ISIS members flog early-teenage prisoners anywhere from 30 to 94 lashes at a time.

Execution style shootings, hangings, decapitation, grotesque public displays of brutality, and mass graves are just some of the utterly depraved uses of violence they unleash on the civilian populations.

ISIS’s targeted brutality and persecution of Christians has been well documented. ISIS has issued a broad edict in Iraq that Christians must convert to Islam, pay an Islamic tax for unbelief, or die. After setting a July 19, 2014 deadline for Christians to make this choice, ISIS has gone on a brutally violent rampage, hunting down Christians and other religious minorities and slaughtering them.

The analysis shows how ISIS has repeatedly and specifically threatened Christians, fellow Muslims, Israel, the U.S., and even American doctors who are ministering to the sick and needy around the world. As the report succinctly states, “ISIS readily threatens everyone it sees as opposing its version of Islam. What makes ISIS especially dangerous is its possession of both the means and will to use such means to carry out its threats.”

ISIS has captured advanced weaponry, including American tanks, and now has access to radiological material (i.e. to make dirty bombs) and possibly even chemical weapons.

Weapons of mass destruction in the hands of pure evil is unthinkable.

As the report concludes:


Tragic human rights violations committed by ISIS against people of various religions are plentiful and well-documented. Additionally, ISIS has demonstrated its military effectiveness by conquering vast swathes of territory in Syria and Iraq with speed and decisiveness. The ISIS threat is compounded by the group’s preparation and planning. Significant holdings of cash, other material assets, and weapons demonstrate ISIS’s potential longevity and lethality. ISIS’s recent actions in Syria and Iraq have culminated in a tangible threat to human rights, regional stability, and global peace—a threat that we disregard at our peril.

President Obama’s decision to drop a payload of justice on the pure evil that is ISIS is a first step, but we are naive if we think a few missile strikes will silence this brand of terror.

Jay Alan Sekulow (born June 10, 1956) is an American attorney and Chief Counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ). He also hosts a talk show, which airs on radio and television. Sekulow is a frequent guest commentator on the Christian Broadcasting Network and the Fox News Channel.

Robert W. "Skip" Ash is the ACLJ's Senior Litigation Counsel for National Security Law. Emphasizing in national security law and First Amendment Law, Ash is a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy and served 22 years on active duty as a U.S. Army officer which included serving as a military strategist for the Secretary of Defense in the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Strategy and Plans in the Pentagon. A graduate of Regent University School of Law, Ash also serves as a member of the faculties of the School of Law and the Robertson School of Government at Regent where he teaches courses on national security law, international law, First Amendment law, and legal research.

The American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ) is a conservative Christian law firm based in the United States in Washington, D.C. and associated with Regent University School of Law in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The ACLJ was founded in 1990 by law school graduate and evangelical minister Pat Robertson. ACLJ generally pursues Constitutional issues and conservative Christian ideals in courts of law. The leaders of the ACLJ also occasionally engage in public debates to present their perspective on legal and Constitutional issues.





Indonesian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS: 'The Public Have to Be Critical'

by Mary Chastain 2 Aug 2014 5 post a comment


More Muslims are speaking out against the Islamic State (IS), formerly known as ISIS. Two Muslim leaders in Indonesia condemned the group and those who support it, while the Supreme Religious Authority in Iraq asked the world to help the country fight the jihadists.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/02/Indonesian-Muslim-Leaders-Condemn-ISIS-The-Public-Have-to-be-Critical

PUBLISHED: July 11, 2014 8:00 am
British Muslim leaders condemn ISIS

Muslim leaders in Britain have condemned the extremist group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), expressing their "grave concern" at continued violence in its name.

Muslim leaders, including from Leicester Central Mosque, condemned ISIS, saying it did not represent their ideology
Representatives from both the Sunni and Shia groups in the UK met at the Palac e of Westminster and relayed their message that the militant group does not represent the majority of Muslims.

Maulana Shahid Raza, of Leicester Central Mosque told Sky News: " ISIS does not represent the main Sunni Muslims' ideology.

"They are involved in acts of terror and violence, they are involved in destructing and demolishing the Muslim shrines...We condemn it."



http://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2014/07/11/british-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis/





American Muslims march on Saudi Embassy to protest extremism
By Rahat Husain - - Sunday, August 10, 2014


Blaming the Saudi government for exporting extremism around the Muslim world, a cluster of American Muslim groups joined a protest at the Saudi Embassy this week. Organized by the Chicago-based Al Baqee Organization, the rally was held in remembrance of a multitude of Islamic heritage sites that were destroyed by the Saudi Royal family upon assuming power nine decades ago.

Chief among them was the first-ever Islamic cemetery, personally founded by Islam’s Prophet Muhammad, named “Jannat ul Baqee” (literally “Garden of Baqee”). The cemetery contains numerous relatives of Muhammad, as well a large number of “Sahaba” (companions) of the Prophet.

Amongst the chants were condemnations of terrorism, and calls for restoration of destroyed holy sites. Protesters attempted to hand deliver a letter to the embassy, voicing their complaints; however, guards for the building refused to accept the document, and forbade entry into the building to do so. Muslims from approximately 15 different states attended, attempting to make a show of solidarity in opposing violent extremism.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/10/husain-american-muslims-march-saudi-embassy-protes/#ixzz3A6e7UhTJ
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Steve

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While I believe we all have one God and Creator--I'm a believer that those that can commit atrocities like that are not following God- but the false god, Satan...

islam is either right.. or Christianity, Judaism is..

so naturally satan would be the other option..

but I do not pray to satan,... I pray to G-D.



so which lines in the Bible are you willing to say are false.. just to appease satan? (islams' god)
 
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Steve said:
While I believe we all have one God and Creator--I'm a believer that those that can commit atrocities like that are not following God- but the false god, Satan...

islam is either right.. or Christianity, Judaism is..

so naturally satan would be the other option..

but I do not pray to satan,... I pray to G-D.



so which lines in the Bible are you willing to say are false.. just to appease satan? (islams' god)

I do too pray to God... But that does not sway me from the belief that that one God created the universe, this earth , the animals, plants, and humans that populate it... And from that one God man developed several religions mainly based upon regions of the world...

In fact the little studying of the Muslim religion I have done- makes me more sure of my Christian beliefs as Jesus (the Messiah in Islam) is also a very important person to the Muslims... Altho they don't go so far as to accept the Trinity- In many ways they back up what is written in the Bible..

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So you are one of those that believe that the good old boy KKK's killings of men, women, and children were carried out by good believers of Christianity :???: Is that the God you pray to :???:
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
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So you are one of those that believe that the good old boy KKK's killings of men, women, and children were carried out by good believers of Christianity :???: Is that the God you pray to :???:

Absolutely not. Still can't figure out why you have called me a KKK member over a dozen times.
 

redrobin

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Oldtimer said:
In fact the little studying of the Muslim religion I have done- makes me more sure of my Christian beliefs as Jesus (the Messiah in Islam) is also a very important person to the Muslims.:???:
That's pretty funny.
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
While I believe we all have one God and Creator--I'm a believer that those that can commit atrocities like that are not following God- but the false god, Satan...

islam is either right.. or Christianity, Judaism is..

so naturally satan would be the other option..

but I do not pray to satan,... I pray to G-D.



so which lines in the Bible are you willing to say are false.. just to appease satan? (islams' god)

I do too pray to God... But that does not sway me from the belief that that one God created the universe, this earth , the animals, plants, and humans that populate it... And from that one God man developed several religions mainly based upon regions of the world...

In fact the little studying of the Muslim religion I have done- makes me more sure of my Christian beliefs as Jesus (the Messiah in Islam) is also a very important person to the Muslims... Altho they don't go so far as to accept the Trinity- In many ways they back up what is written in the Bible..

Muhammad took a slave girl who told him of our G-D.

The Origin of Islam: The "Previous Scriptures"
The origin of Islam is controversial. The "previous scriptures" mentioned above are the Hebrew Torah, the Psalms of David, and the Gospels of Jesus Christ (Sura 4:163; 5:44-48). The Qur'an accepts these books as divinely inspired and even encourages us to test its claims by these "previous scriptures." "If you have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture" (Sura 10:94). But this is where we run into a problem. The problem is that the Qur'an thoroughly contradicts the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels. For example, the Qur'an explicitly denies Jesus Christ's crucifixion (Sura 4:157-158) while all four Gospel accounts clearly portray Jesus Christ as crucified and resurrected.

Another problem is that the Qur'an teaches that Ishmael was the child of promise (Sura 19:54; compare Sura 37:83-109 with Genesis 22:1-19) and so Muslims believe that God's covenant promises were meant for Ishmael's descendants, not Isaac's. -

so like I said.,.. you can't "BELIEVE" the BIBLE and Islam..

one is wrong...








OldTimer said:
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So you are one of those that believe that the good old boy KKK's killings of men, women, and children were carried out by good believers of Christianity :???: Is that the God you pray to :???:

the devil is deceitful.. but consistent..

Kloran - ritual book
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
In fact the little studying of the Muslim religion I have done- makes me more sure of my Christian beliefs as Jesus (the Messiah in Islam) is also a very important person to the Muslims... Altho they don't go so far as to accept the Trinity- In many ways they back up what is written in the Bible.

True they believe that Jesus was "a prophet" as long as any teaching concerning him does not contradict their interpretation of the Koran. Mohammed specifically being the last and greatest of a group of prophets sent by Allah. In reality, to them, Jesus was just another man and never referred to as the Messiah in Islamic teachings.

In some ways the change what the O.T. scriptures say as well. There were certainly arabs in Old Testament times...there were NO muslims nor any Islam. The were simply pagans.
 

kolanuraven

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Why doesn't " God" stop it? Smite the bad guys and all that razza-ma- taz?

Why let those poor people suffer and go thru this when a well placed flood or lightning bolt can solve the problem?
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
Why doesn't " God" stop it? Smite the bad guys and all that razza-ma- taz?

Why let those poor people suffer and go thru this when a well placed flood or lightning bolt can solve the problem?

I don't know.. we were given free will

and we will be judged.. but as for why G-D doesn't smite them b-------,..
that I don't know.. I certainly would wipe the radicals out at least.. and it would be done in a way to show the rest I meant business..

but why G-D doesn't.. that is a question for someone with way more experience in theology that I will ever have,.. but evil exits.
 
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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
In fact the little studying of the Muslim religion I have done- makes me more sure of my Christian beliefs as Jesus (the Messiah in Islam) is also a very important person to the Muslims... Altho they don't go so far as to accept the Trinity- In many ways they back up what is written in the Bible.

True they believe that Jesus was "a prophet" as long as any teaching concerning him does not contradict their interpretation of the Koran. Mohammed specifically being the last and greatest of a group of prophets sent by Allah. In reality, to them, Jesus was just another man and never referred to as the Messiah in Islamic teachings.

In some ways the change what the O.T. scriptures say as well. There were certainly arabs in Old Testament times...there were NO muslims nor any Islam. The were simply pagans.

I beg to differ with you... Not that important- but if I wanted to be like one of the schoolyard children on this site I'd be calling you a liar and all other kind of things.... :wink:


Isa Ibn Maryam ( Arabic: عيسى, translit.: ʿĪsā ), known as Jesus in the New Testament, is considered to be a Messenger of God and al-Masih (the Messiah) in Islam who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, al-Injīl (the Gospel). The belief that Jesus is a prophet is required in Islam, as it is for all prophets named in the Qur’an. This is reflected in the fact that he is clearly a significant figure in the Qur’an (appearing in 93 ayaat [or, verses]), though Noah, Adam and Moses appear with even greater frequency. It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God (Arabic: Allah). To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles (such as healing the blind, bringing dead people back to life, etc.)which no other prophet in Islam has ever been credited with, all by the permission of God rather than of his own power. According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means; instead, "God raised him unto Himself". Conversely in the 19th Sura of the Quran (in verses 15 and 33) Jesus is blessed on "the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is raised alive" which clearly declares Jesus' death and resurrection.

Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path" as commanded by God. Traditionally Islam teaches the rejection of the Trinitarian Christian view that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God. The Quran says that Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God, and it furthermore indicates that Jesus will deny having ever claimed divinity at the Last Judgment, and God will vindicate him. Islamic texts forbid the association of partners with God (shirk), emphasizing a strict notion of monotheism (tawhīd). An alternative interpretation of this theology is held by Messianic Muslims.

Numerous titles are given to Jesus in the Quran and in Islamic literature, the most common being al-Masīḥ ("the Messiah"). Jesus is also, at times, called "Seal of the Israelite Prophets", because, in general Muslim belief, Jesus was the last prophet sent by God to guide the Children of Israel. Jesus is traditionally understood in Islam to be a precursor to Muhammad, and is believed by Muslims to have foretold the latter's coming however this is a traditional understanding and not declared in the Quran.

Muslims believe that Jesus will return to earth near the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false messiah", also known as the Antichrist).


“Islam is the only non-christian faith which makes it an article of faith for its followers to believe in Jesus (peace be upon him) .No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (peace be upon him). We believe that He was One of the mightiest messengers of God , he was the ‘Messiah’ translated Christ , that he was born miraculously without any male intervention , that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission and he healed those born blind and the lepers with God’s permission.”

~ Sheikh Ahmed Deedat

http://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/jesus-christ-in-islam/
 

Steve

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funny how when defending islam many refer to commentary..

but those who tend to attack it use the actual koran..

The Qur’an

‘Isa, was a prophet of Islam

Jesus’ true name, according to the Qur’an, was ‘Isa. His message was pure Islam, surrender to Allah. (Âl 'Imran 3:84) Like all the Muslim prophets before him, and like Muhammad after him, ‘Isa was a lawgiver, and Christians should submit to his law. (Âl 'Imran 3:50; Al-Ma’idah 5:48) ‘Isa’s original disciples were also true Muslims, for they said ‘We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered. We are Muslims.’ (Al-Ma’idah 5:111)

As with previous prophets, ‘Isa’s revelation verified previous prophets’ revelations. (Âl 'Imran 3:49,84; Al-Ma’idah 5:46; As-Saff 61:6) Muhammad himself verified all previous revelations, including the revelation to ‘Isa (An-Nisa’ 4:47), and so Muslims must believe in the revelation which ‘Isa received. (Al-Baqarah 2:136) However, after ‘Isa the Injil was lost in its original form. Today the Qur’an is the only sure guide to ‘Isa’s teaching.

again.. you can either believe the Bible or the koran.. one is WRONG.





‘Isa’s mother Mariam was the daughter of ‘Imran, (Âl 'Imran 3:34,35) — cf the Amram of Exodus 6:20 — and the sister of Aaron (and Moses). (Maryam 19:28) She was fostered by Zachariah (father of John the Baptist). (Âl 'Imran 3:36) While still a virgin (Al-An’am 6:12; Maryam 19:19-21) Mariam gave birth to ‘Isa alone in a desolate place under a date palm tree. (Maryam 19:22ff) (Not in Bethlehem).

the koran's commentary on the Torah and Bible reads like a mixed up collection of parts of both retold to by a person who didn't understand or listen in Sunday school



but it gets worse.. especially for those who believe the Bible..
Christians and Jews have corrupted their scriptures. (Âl 'Imran 3:74-77, 113) Although Christians believe ‘Isa died on a cross, and Jews claim they killed him, in reality he was not killed or crucified, and those who said he was crucified lied (An-Nisa’ 4:157). ‘Isa did not die, but ascended to Allah. (An-Nisa’ 4:158) On the day of Resurrection ‘Isa himself will be a witness against Jews and Christians for believing in his death. (An-Nisa’ 4:159)

and if that isn't enough..

Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Muhammad will go to hell. (Al-Bayyinah 98:6)

I guess that about sums it up.. but don't take my word for it.. read it yourself in the koran..

https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=98

so according to many muslims and the koran.. if you do not believe in muhammad and the koran.. well.. you go to hell..
 

Mike

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Steve, remember the word Taqiyya? Well OT fell for it and perpetuated a Muslim lie. :lol: But it's OK to lie about Islam if one needs to cover up the truth. :roll:
 

TexasBred

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Wrong again OT:

Muslims mean what the word means, “the anointed one.” The word “messiah” simply means one whose hair is so oily it looks like it’s dripping. That’s how Jesus peace be upon him looked and how the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him saw him during the night journey (Israa’). God told the Jews in the Torah that the upcoming prophet who will restore their true faith is anointed, so they had a way to recognize him when he comes. When the old and new testaments were translated to Greek, the Greek word for anointed one was Khristos. That’s where the word Christ comes from.

There is nothing mythical or fantastic about the words messiah or Christ. It’s a distinctive mark, like when you describe someone and say that he has, say, a thick mustache.
- See more at: http://www.islamicanswer.org/wordpress/?p=145#sthash.GgCWlKWy.dpuf
 
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