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Oldtimer blames a single Senator

Tam

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BOB SCHIEFFER: Well, of course what he would say is that he is creating more jobs, that unemployment is going down and on and on. But we’ll leave that for the Democrats to talk about. Lemme ask you this. You became a celebrity when you led the drive to shut down the government over Obamacare. But afterwards, your fellow Republicans said you’d led them over a cliff. Can you conceive of any situation in which you would do that again, try to shut down the government in exchange or in demand for some action by the president?

SEN. TED CRUZ: Well, Bob, with all due respect, I don’t agree with the premise of your question. Throughout the government shutdown, I opposed a government shutdown. I said we shouldn’t shut down the government. I think it was a mistake that President Obama and the Democrats shut the government down this fall.

The reason they did so is that President Obama dug in and said he wouldn’t compromise and he wouldn’t negotiate. In fact, I went to one of the most surreal meetings I’ve ever been at, where President Obama invited all the senate Republicans to go up to the White House. He sat us in a room. This is in the middle of the shutdown.




And he said, “I invited you here to tell you I will not negotiate. I will not compromise on anything.” That’s why we had a shutdown. That was a mistake. But, you know, in terms of whether we should’ve stood and fought on Obamacare, I think the proof is in the pudding. Millions of people across the country have seen now why we were standing and fighting, because Obamacare’s a disaster.

And, you know, for the State of the Union, one of the things President Obama really oughta do is look in the TV camera and say to the over five million Americans all across this country who’ve had their health insurance canceled because of Obamacare, to look in the camera and say, “I’m sorry. I told you if you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it.

“I told you if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. And that wasn’t true. I’m sorry.” But then, Bob, here’s the real kicker. If you’re really sorry, you don’t just say you’re sorry. You actually do something to fix the problem. The pattern we’ve seen over and over again with this president is he says–

BOB SCHIEFFER: All–

SEN. TED CRUZ: –he’s sorry and he expresses outrage but then he doesn’t fix the problem. He keeps doing it over and over again.

And this is why Oldtimer and others lie to us about who really caused the shut down as it is right here in the rest of this liberal story

As usual, everything Sen. Cruz said about the ACA was a total lie. The biggest lie that Cruz is clinging to is that 5 million people have lost their insurance. A report from the Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee found that of the millions who received cancelation notices, the actual number of people who lost their insurance is 10,000. Of the 99.8% who received a cancelation notice, millions renewed their existing policy and an additional 1.4 million are eligible for federal subsidies through the exchange.

As far as the problem not being fixed is concerned, in the middle of November 2013, President Obama allowed people to keep their insurance plans that had been canceled because they did not meet the original ACA requirements. The ACA is turning out to be the exact opposite of the disaster that Sen. Cruz is describing. Three million people have signed up for coverage, and another 6.3 million are eligible for the Medicaid expansion.

Let's stop here and explain the LIES IN THE ARTICLE, it says Cruz lied but Millions did lose their insurance to the Point Obama told the Insurance companies were to stop canceling the policies. So Did Cruz lie or the Author of this article . Ok Obama told the insurance companies to stop canceling the policies but these were the policies that Obama said over and over that people could keep if they liked them. Obama did not justify his, you can keep comment, with IF THEY MEET A CERTAIN MANDATED STANDARDS. He promised they could keep them if they like them PERIOD. Now he is telling the Insurance companies to stop canceling those that don't meet his mandate requirement. Why request the insurance companies STOP if they are no being canceled like the author claims.

6.2 million people have reportedLY lost their insurance and Obama's reaction was not to go to the Congress and have them pass a bill to correct the cancelation problems HE ILLEGALLY TOLD INSURANCE COMPANY TO IGNOR THE LAW OF THE LAND AND CONTINUE WITH THE POLICIES HE CLAIMED WERE CRAP POLICIES WHEN HE DEFENDED THEM BEING CANCELED.

And for the millions that signed up for Medicaid well that was ruled a lie by a very liberal news outlet when Obama got 4 Pinochinos for that claim as he was including anyone that had already been on Medicaid and was resigning up that number was actually in the 3 hundred thousand numbers according to the liberal that investigated the true number.

SO lets see what else was said in this article that accused Cruz of lying

What is the President supposed to be apologizing for? The truth did creep in to the conversation as Cruz slightly changed one of his talking points. Instead of the president lied about being able to keep your plan, he’s now saying that the president lied about being able to keep your doctor. However, not being able to keep your doctor isn’t something that’s exclusive to the ACA. Insurance plans, and the doctors who accept them, change on a regular basis. It is not unusual to have to go see a different doctor at some point because they either stop taking your insurance, or they leave an insurance company’s provider network. It happens every year.

So Cruz changed his story from Policies to Doctor as it could not be that Obama lied about BOTH. OH yea he did lie and Obama's defenders have even been on TV saying well you can keep your Doctor you are just going to have to pay for your doctor out of pocket. As if you pay for insurance your network of doctors is PICKED FOR YOU and if your doctor in not in the network SORRY PAY FOR THEM YOURSELF. People are loosing their Cancer Specialists due to the fact Obama's networks are limited to those doctors that are willing to work at cut rates and are in can't get out of contracts, the rest of the doctors are OPTING OUT as they do not want to go BANKRUPT accepting Obamacare policy holders. The Doctors themselves are blaming Obamacare for their inability/ decisions not to see their long time patients but we are to believe this liberal loon that is using the typical Liberal defend of blaming the Greedy Insurance companies for EVERY THING :roll:

What else was spewed in this liberal Cruz hit piece

Ted Cruz is lying about the ACA, and demanding that President Obama apologize for things that have not happened. Cruz has invented his own Obamacare reality. He is still trotting out the same lies that he touting during the government shutdown. Sen. Cruz has managed to rewrite history to absolve from any blame from the government shutdown that he caused, and he expects President Obama to apologize for Cruz’s imaginary Obamacare disaster.

I'm guess who ever wrote this wrote Reid's Senate speech that claimed all the Obamacare horror stories are just lies made up by the Koch Brothers to use against Democrat candidates. I guess Rand Paul lied about his son being put on Medicaid after the Obamacare people denied he even existed and sign him up even though Rand wanted him on his policy . I guess the guy that bought Obamacare insurance and after a $407,000 lifesaving medial treatment found out his insurance company did not know anything about his Obamacare health care policy. I guess all the congressional testimory on the DISASTERS of the Obamacare bill are all Cruz's imaginary disasters. :roll:
So let's look at the sum up of this Liberal Obama defending Garbage.

Sen. Cruz is one who owes America an apology for orchestrating a government shutdown that cost taxpayers $24 billion. President Obama has nothing to apologize for. In fact, he deserves praise for opening the door for tens of millions of Americans to get access to affordable health care.

It is the height of arrogance for Ted Cruz to demand anything from President Obama. Cruz is entitled to nothing, but the contempt and scorn that he has already earned from millions of Americans.

Just remember, as Ted Cruz enjoys his Goldman Sachs provided health insurance, he wants to take yours away.

First the only tens of millions the experts are talking about are those that have had their work hours cut due to Obamacare when Obama/Dems claimed Obamacare was not a JOB KILLER

or the tens of Millions that have lost or will lose their affordable insurance and be forced to buy UN-AFFORDABLE insurance under Obamacare. All those policies that Obama and the Dems said they could keep if they liked them.

and the Tens of Millions that will not get insurance even though Obama turned the entire US healthcare system upside down to FIX a small problem.

And when are these stupid people going to get it through their thick heads ACCESS TO UNAFFORDABLE INSURANCE does not calculate into ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE when there is a Shortage of doctors willing to see those millions more people at a cut rate. :roll:

ANd funny how Cruz is damned for the 24 billion the government shut down cost but this liberal loon thinks nothing about the fact Obama claimed he would not add anything to the Debt with Obamacare but the CBO has that number into the trillions now and Obama claimed Obamacare would not be a job killer but the CBO says OTHERWISE AS DOES THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSMEN. I guess this idiot would ask the US Businessmen to apologize for having to lay off people to save their companies verses blaming Obama and his JOB KILLING BILL :roll:
The Shut down was caused because Obama WOULD NOT COMPROMIS ON OBAMAIDON'TCARE and everything that Cruz said was going to happen if the rollout was not delayed happened IN SPADES and that is why the Democrat Candidates are running for the friggin hills when Obama shows up in their states. That is why the dislike for the LAW OF THE LAND is in a strong Majority. That is Why Obama continues to give unconstitutional waivers and delays to stop the REAL AFFECTS OF HIS LAW OF THE LAND. FROM HITTING BEFORE HE GETS OUT OF OFFICE. That is why Democrat Constitutional Professors are testifying to Obama's OVER REACH.

BUT does Oldtimer and the author of this Cruz bashing piece of garbage realize they have been LIED to by the Dems NOPE it is Blame the REPUBLICANS AT ALL COST TO YOUR CREDIBILITY AND DUCK FOR COVER AND HOPE NOBODY POINTS OUT THE PROVEN TRUTH. :roll:
 

TexasBred

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Amazing that what Cruz and millions of others wanted and Obama would not give.....has now been postponed, delayed, extended, ignored by Buckwheat Obama himself......now who was the idiot that wouldn't negotiate....but preferred to shut down the government???
 

hypocritexposer

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as predicted...

hypocritexposer said:
Republicans might be hated and demonized for their request to delay it by a year, but as the taxpayer will soon realize, the Repubs. were correct. I hope it comes back to bite the progressives in the ass in 2014 and again in 2016.
 
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Tam said:
BUT why should Obama compromise he was re-elected. :? :roll:

Correct re-elected on his record and platform-- and he had the Senate's backing... Cruz's dog and pony show tactic may have been acceptable IF he ever stood a chance of winning...But he didn't as he was told up front before hand they would not agree to those demands...And he didn't have the power to influence any bargaining with...

By closing down the government- and costing the economy 24+ Billion taxpayer $ makes it look like he thinks more of his own personal showboating then he does of the good of the country...His tactic may appeal to the rightwing extremists- but I think it cooks his goose for a national election...
 

hypocritexposer

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“It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.”
- Murray Rothbard
 

Tam

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BE PROUD He was re-elected on a PACK OF PROVEN LIES Oldtimer :roll:

People are not able to keep their Insurance PERIOD
People are not able to keep their Doctors PERIOD
Obamacare is a JOB KILLER PERIOD
Obamacare is going to sink the US in Debt PERIOD
The US is in debt to the point then need to gut the military but yet they can still afford to subsidized everyone's healthcare policies they are being forced to buy under punishment of IRS.
There is not a smidgen of evidence the IRS was targeting Conservatives just ask the Maxed Out Obama Campaign donor in the DOJ that was put in charge of the investigation Or Lerner, nope she plead the FIFTH not going to get the truth out of her are we Oldtimer?
Holder did not know anything about Fast and Furious until he read it in the paper Nope sorry that was Obama that didn't know, Holder just lied about when he found out didn't he. then Obama that KNEW NOTHING invoked his Executive Privilegde to protect his corrupt lying AG. When do you think the Terry family is going to get the truth out of Holder Oldtimer I'm guessing NEVER.
It is unpatriotic to run up the US debt but it is somehow OK for Obama to pay back his campaign donors with tax payer money and Diplomatic appointments. Not that I would care for that appointment considering the protection the DOS gives Ambassadors.
The DOS provide all the security that was needed in Benghazi and if you don't believe that ask the ARB that never questioned Hillary about what she knew about the DENIED SECURITY. But hey what does it matter now the 4 guys are dead and the families were told it was all about a video so why dig up a phony scandal to muddy the waters for the next lying Democrat history making candidate.
It is Ok for Brazil to use US tax payer money to do Off Shore Drilling so the US can buy their oil but it is not OK for US companies to hire US unemployed rig hands to Off Shore Drill. But hey it was SORO's Brazilian company and Soro's is a big Obama donor so what's a couple billion to pay the guy back, ey Oldtimer .
It is OK for Buffett to risk oil spills pulling ageing oil cars but it is not ok for US companies to employ Unemployed US people to build a High Tec Pipeline to move the oil to market. But silly me Buffett again was a Large Obama supporters wasn't he Oldtimer.

To Hell with the families that lost loved ones they don't deserve the TRUTH if the truth is going to derail Obama RE-ELECTION right Oldtimer

To hell with the Unemployed they are most useful to the Obama re-election chances if they are dependent on the US government for their FOOD STAMPS.

If they start noticing to many lies Obama can just take his pen and delay the offending parts of his Law of the Land until after the next election and if that doesn't work well he can always take out his trusty pen and rewrite Constitutional minimum wage laws and at least make it looks like he gives a damn even though his actions will likely result in more unemployment.

Yep Oldtimer be proud Obama BOUGHT YOU and you are his b*tch every time you try defend his LYING. :roll:

Do you need any more reason why your LYING HERO GOT RE-ELECTED. :roll:
 

Larrry

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If hewing with all this supposed support just why in the heck does he have to resort to executive orders in the overall scope he is trying
 

Tam

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Larrry said:
If hewing with all this supposed support just why in the heck does he have to resort to executive orders in the overall scope he is trying

BINGO :eek: If Obamacare, THE DEMOCRAT LAW OF THE LAND, is so great and has so much support when it was passed why are Dems running from it now that the voters are starting to feel the effects of it?

If Obamacare has so much support from the voters why is he using his INK PEN and PHONE to go around the Legally elected Congress to rewrite the law so the Dems that voted for it are not punished for their support of it?

If the true majority rules like Oldtimer believe when it is Obama being re-elected then why is the Obamacare Law of the Land still on the books?

poll--------------date----------repeal------oppose repeal
RCP Average 6/28 - 12/16 ---- 52.3 ------42.8---------- Favor Repeal +9.5
FOX News 12/14 - 12/16 ------ 53 ---------41------------ Favor Repeal +12
Rasmussen-- 11/9 - 11/10 ------ 55-------- 41 ----------Favor Repeal +14
Quinnipiac---- 7/1 - 7/8 --------- 49-------- 43------------ Favor Repeal +6
CNN/Opinion 6/28 - 7/1 -------- 52-------- 46------------- Favor Repeal +6

All Repeal of Health Care Law: Favor/Oppose Polling Data


And this was in an article from the National review in Jan 2014


Quote:
The survey shows that 48 percent of Americans would choose to repeal the Affordable Care Act, compared to 46 percent in September. Currently, only 36 percent would choose to keep it.

Why haven't those Dems that are running from it now listen to the voters and voted to repeal the law once the LIES Obama used to pass it were EXPOSED?

Funny how the MAJORITY only matters PART OF THE TIME isn't it?

But to answer your question he uses his pen because of his inability to tell the truth and compromise on the fix to the results of his lying. He is found to be UN TRUSTWORTHY BY LARGER MAJORITY OF VOTERS THAN SUPPORTED HIS RE-ELECTION and his job approval rating are make record lows ( in the high 30's) and not even his Dems want to risk their political careers on HIS UNTRUSTWORTHYNESS WITH THEIR VOTERS. :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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If Obamacare has so much support from the voters why is he using his INK PEN and PHONE to go around the Legally elected Congress to rewrite the law so the Dems that voted for it are not punished for their support of it?

Because the Dems. are being obstructionist in killing Bush's health care overhaul?

Is that the right answer... :wink:
 
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