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Lonecowboy

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Montana Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer told the Ohio Democratic Party recently that Montanans are “white, racist rednecks.”

HMMMMMMM! oldtimer are you a racist, or not a Montanan or is schweitzer a liar? :shock: :D :D
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/montana-dem-governor-montanans-are-white-racist-rednecks/
 
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Anonymous

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When you read the entire story of what he said- sadly he is probably right...


In the same address, Schweitzer dipped into darker rhetoric to blast Caucasian Montanans as racist toward American Indians.

Through his 30-minute speech to Ohio Democrats, Schweitzer repeatedly boasted of his gubernatorial achievements, putting special emphasis on the Indian Education for All project. Schweitzer spearheaded the program, which requires Montana school children to learn both American-Indian and U.S. history.

Why did Schweitzer shepherd the innovative and groundbreaking program? Well, because Montanans are a bunch of white, racist rednecks – the governor’s words.

“All over Montana, you can walk into a bar, a café or even a school or a courthouse and just listen for a while as people talk to each other,” Schweitzer explained, shortly after noting 93 percent of his state’s population is classified as Caucasian. “And you will hear somebody, before very long, say something outrageously racist about the people who’ve lived in Montana for 10,000 years.”

The governor delivered the program to sway the minds and hearts of Treasure State youngsters. “So, I decided, I can’t turn the heart of a 45-year-old redneck,” Schweitzer said.


And he is right that we should be working to combat that...

I witnessed it this weekend at the local Fair Rodeo- when I ran into a good friend who has bought several bulls from us over the years- and his beautiful Assiniboine wife... They have a successful ranching/farming operation and work quite hard....
She had on a pair of very good looking Dan Post boots and I complimented her on them... I guess I was too loud because an idiot walking behind me who was coming from the beer garden commented something to the effect that "she needs moccasins not boots"....
Luckily neither her or her husband heard it (he'd of killed the idiot) and I never saw the idiot again- but will bring my thoughts of his intelligence up to him next time I see him...

But like Governor BS pretty well said - its not easy to fix stupid-- especially when its proudly passed on from generation to generation by parents that back some of these hate groups.....
 

Steve

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its not easy to fix stupid-- especially when its proudly passed on from generation to generation by parents

are you insinuating a person is a product of their "upbringing"

lets see,. is that well racist.. prejudiced.. discriminatory .. or just about the stupidest comment I heard tonight?

so if my father was a drunk,.. I am one as well?

if he is no good,.. then I won't amount to anything?

yep,.. I have heard both comments before.. heard it from several teachers.. many of the "affluent" as well... fact is I heard it alot growing up.. even heard it put about the same way you and the governor so eloquently put it..

you and the governor might just as well put them children of them undesirable folk down and save yourself some aggravation




your right it is tough to fix stupid.. cause it has no bounds and can come from even the best of upbringing obviously.. :? :???:
 

hopalong

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I find it strange that oldimer always tries to make a point by bringing up a friend (he does not have that many), then use an anticidote about boots and moccasons that has been around for yrs,,,
Does not add to his credibility at all, didn't have much to start with :roll:
 

Lonecowboy

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Montanans are a bunch of white, racist rednecks – the governor’s words.

oldtimer don't you think that is a prejudiced statement?

so schwietzer's answer is to fight prejudice with prejudice? :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Lonecowboy said:
Montanans are a bunch of white, racist rednecks – the governor’s words.

oldtimer don't you think that is a prejudiced statement?

so schwietzer's answer is to fight prejudice with prejudice? :roll:

Actually if you read further in the other articles and comments they provide links to show that Schweitzer never used those words together...It was the author of the article (who works as a paid Republican Lobbyiest) that did-- altho the Guv did say that there was a lot of racism against Native American Indians in Montana and that it is much easier trying to educate youth to the negatives of racism than it is a bunch of 45 year old rednecks ... (like the ones putting up hangmans nooses at their political cultist Fair Booths- or making jokes on FB about getting the Wyoming guidebook on how to chain, and drag gay college students behind a pickup and leave them hanging over the fence to die )...

I do agree with the Guv on this one... Back when I was in HS- Montana History was a requirement- then it became an elective- and now most schools don't even offer it ... I agree that it should be part of the entire k-12 school cirriculum teaching our history and cultures that built this State...And like he said- the major time period in the States history was centered around Native Americans... And even when white men became a small part of picture around 1800- Native Americans played a big role in their lives..
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Montanans are a bunch of white, racist rednecks – the governor’s words.

oldtimer don't you think that is a prejudiced statement?

so schwietzer's answer is to fight prejudice with prejudice? :roll:

Actually if you read further in the other articles and comments they provide links to show that Schweitzer never used those words together...It was the author of the article (who works as a paid Republican Lobbyiest) that did-- altho the Guv did say that there was a lot of racism against Native American Indians in Montana and that it is much easier trying to educate youth to the negatives of racism than it is a bunch of 45 year old rednecks ... (like the ones putting up hangmans nooses at their political cultist Fair Booths- or making jokes on FB about getting the Wyoming guidebook on how to chain, and drag gay college students behind a pickup and leave them hanging over the fence to die )...

I do agree with the Guv on this one... Back when I was in HS- Montana History was a requirement- then it became an elective- and now most schools don't even offer it ... I agree that it should be part of the entire k-12 school cirriculum teaching our history and cultures that built this State...And like he said- the major time period in the States history was centered around Native Americans... And even when white men became a small part of picture around 1800- Native Americans played a big role in their lives..

The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, nationality or other personal characteristics.

oldtimer by your very words you are prejudiced and you are supporting the prejudiced words of a prejudiced governor! :shock:
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
oldtimer don't you think that is a prejudiced statement?

so schwietzer's answer is to fight prejudice with prejudice? :roll:

Actually if you read further in the other articles and comments they provide links to show that Schweitzer never used those words together...It was the author of the article (who works as a paid Republican Lobbyiest) that did-- altho the Guv did say that there was a lot of racism against Native American Indians in Montana and that it is much easier trying to educate youth to the negatives of racism than it is a bunch of 45 year old rednecks ... (like the ones putting up hangmans nooses at their political cultist Fair Booths- or making jokes on FB about getting the Wyoming guidebook on how to chain, and drag gay college students behind a pickup and leave them hanging over the fence to die )...

I do agree with the Guv on this one... Back when I was in HS- Montana History was a requirement- then it became an elective- and now most schools don't even offer it ... I agree that it should be part of the entire k-12 school cirriculum teaching our history and cultures that built this State...And like he said- the major time period in the States history was centered around Native Americans... And even when white men became a small part of picture around 1800- Native Americans played a big role in their lives..

The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, nationality or other personal characteristics.

oldtimer by your very words you are prejudiced and you are supporting the prejudiced words of a prejudiced governor! :shock:

Under your definition I think everyone is somewhat prejudiced as everyone has some type of preconceptions-- but I think what matters is the actions you take on those preconceptions...

Putting up hangmans nooses on political booths- searching for Wyoming guidebooks- or spouting KKK, Neo Nazi, and White Supremacist rhetoric on blogs and chat pages are examples of the prejudice actions the Guv is trying to do away with...
 

Steve

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it is much easier trying to educate youth to the negatives of racism than it is a bunch of 45 year old rednecks

I agree that it should be part of the entire k-12 school curriculum teaching our history and cultures that built this State.



often over the years history is twisted and the true meaning is forgotten..

so yes honestly teaching history is important...

consider this ... from a credible liberal source..

Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers,

The term characterized farmers having a red neck caused by sunburn from hours working in the fields.

but if you dig deeper into the true meaning said:
In Scotland in the 1640s, the Covenanters rejected rule by bishops, often signing manifestos using their own blood. Some wore red cloth around their neck to signify their position, and were called rednecks by the Scottish ruling class to denote that they were the rebels

Dictionaries document the earliest American citation of the term's use for Presbyterians in 1830

By 1900, "rednecks" was in common use to designate the political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South (for they opposed the rich men, who wore expensive silk hats)

The United Mine Workers of America (UMW) and rival miners' unions appropriated both the term redneck and its literal manifestation, the red bandana, in order to build multiracial unions of white, black, and immigrant miners in the strike-ridden coalfields of northern and central Appalachia between 1912 and 1936.

Red Neck, which recounts the story of a charismatic union leader named Dave Houston and an unsuccessful strike by his fellow union miners in the fictional coalfield town of Laurel, Pennsylvania. The word's varied usage can be seen in the following two examples from the book. "I'm not much to be proud of," Houston admits to his admiring girlfriend Madge in one scene. "I'm just a red necked miner like the rest." In another scene, a police captain curses Houston as a "God-damned red neck" during a fruitless jailhouse interrogation, before savagely beating him with a sawed-off chair-leg.

By the 1970s, the term had turned into offensive slang
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sometimes if you look at the true honest history you see how dishonestly and bigoted those who attack a word and who it really represents are

so yes, I will proudly stand by the oppressed Christian,.. the poor, the struggling worker, the farmer, the rancher, .and anyone else who earns their way with hard work, sweat and blood...

so OT try to be a bit more honest and teach our youth the truth.. about "our history and cultures that built" your state and this country.. the working class.. the redneck..
 
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katrina said:
Why in the world would you ot comment on her boots?? You sir are a creep!!
A very good friend and his native american wife- that spend Thousands of dollars on looking good which includes beautiful boots has been something that I recognize with-- as over the years I have spent the same on Wilsons-- and love to see good looking cowboy/cattle folks wear good looking boots and clothing... I'm even one of those that after 50-60 years of cowboying like to wear the pants tucked in- if you have been cowboy/girl enough to earn it...

But Katrina- would you have been one of those that questioned her wearing of good made cowboy boots- while commenting that "squaws should be wearing mocassins as the beer garden passer by did" :???:

The comedy is about your bitching about things is they could have probably bought your place ten times over- and they don't live on the corn/ethanol subsidy and the government hand outs like most the midwest does... :)
 

hopalong

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What does the amount of money anyone has have to do wwith anythinbg oldtimer??
and the ancidote aboiut the boots to mocassins os older than EITHER of us oldtimer,,,,
I dirst heard it on the Rosebud Res ihn the 50"s.just another one of your phoney attempts to make a statement that is not true......sorry to burst your bubble AGAIN, and again and again!!!!!

PS>>> If it is about money I have an airplane worth more than your whole operation, so don't spout that CRAP
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
katrina said:
Why in the world would you ot comment on her boots?? You sir are a creep!!
A very good friend and his native american wife- that spend Thousands of dollars on looking good which includes beautiful boots has been something that I recognize with-- as over the years I have spent the same on Wilsons-- and love to see good looking cowboy/cattle folks wear good looking boots and clothing... I'm even one of those that after 50-60 years of cowboying like to wear the pants tucked in- if you have been cowboy/girl enough to earn it...

But Katrina- would you have been one of those that questioned her wearing of good made cowboy boots- while commenting that "squaws should be wearing mocassins as the beer garden passer by did" :???:

The comedy is about your bitching about things is they could have probably bought your place ten times over- and they don't live on the corn/ethanol subsidy and the government hand outs like most the midwest does... :)

I forgot to add the "lady" is probably as old or older than you- with numerous Grandkids-- so if you think its "creepy" just because I/you/anyone compliment her ( or any other good looking lady ) on their choice of cowboy boots- I feel sorry for you Katrina.... You live in a very sheltered/bigoted world ... :(

The evil is when the ignorant, apparently like you, think its right to have to comment about her race ! :( :mad:
 

katrina

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Oldtimer said:
katrina said:
Why in the world would you ot comment on her boots?? You sir are a creep!!
A very good friend and his native american wife- that spend Thousands of dollars on looking good which includes beautiful boots has been something that I recognize with-- as over the years I have spent the same on Wilsons-- and love to see good looking cowboy/cattle folks wear good looking boots and clothing... I'm even one of those that after 50-60 years of cowboying like to wear the pants tucked in- if you have been cowboy/girl enough to earn it...

But Katrina- would you have been one of those that questioned her wearing of good made cowboy boots- while commenting that "squaws should be wearing mocassins as the beer garden passer by did" :???:

The comedy is about your bitching about things is they could have probably bought your place ten times over- and they don't live on the corn/ethanol subsidy and the government hand outs like most the midwest does... :)

No the comedy is, you are talking out our arse again cuz you don't have a clue what I'm worth... :tiphat:
 

Larrry

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So if this couple has lots of money is that a GOOD thing like when Kerry has money or a bad thing like when Romney has money?
 

Hereford76

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Actually if you read further in the other articles and comments they provide links to show that Schweitzer never used those words together...It was the author of the article (who works as a paid Republican Lobbyiest) that did-- altho the Guv did say that there was a lot of racism against Native American Indians in Montana and that it is much easier trying to educate youth to the negatives of racism than it is a bunch of 45 year old rednecks ... (like the ones putting up hangmans nooses at their political cultist Fair Booths- or making jokes on FB about getting the Wyoming guidebook on how to chain, and drag gay college students behind a pickup and leave them hanging over the fence to die )...

I do agree with the Guv on this one... Back when I was in HS- Montana History was a requirement- then it became an elective- and now most schools don't even offer it ... I agree that it should be part of the entire k-12 school cirriculum teaching our history and cultures that built this State...And like he said- the major time period in the States history was centered around Native Americans... And even when white men became a small part of picture around 1800- Native Americans played a big role in their lives..

The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, nationality or other personal characteristics.

oldtimer by your very words you are prejudiced and you are supporting the prejudiced words of a prejudiced governor! :shock:

Under your definition I think everyone is somewhat prejudiced as everyone has some type of preconceptions-- but I think what matters is the actions you take on those preconceptions...

Putting up hangmans nooses on political booths- searching for Wyoming guidebooks- or spouting KKK, Neo Nazi, and White Supremacist rhetoric on blogs and chat pages are examples of the prejudice actions the Guv is trying to do away with...

that's a good one!

whatever happened to BS's brother? :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
katrina said:
Why in the world would you ot comment on her boots?? You sir are a creep!!
A very good friend and his native american wife- that spend Thousands of dollars on looking good which includes beautiful boots has been something that I recognize with-- as over the years I have spent the same on Wilsons-- and love to see good looking cowboy/cattle folks wear good looking boots and clothing... I'm even one of those that after 50-60 years of cowboying like to wear the pants tucked in- if you have been cowboy/girl enough to earn it...

But Katrina- would you have been one of those that questioned her wearing of good made cowboy boots- while commenting that "squaws should be wearing mocassins as the beer garden passer by did" :???:

The comedy is about your bitching about things is they could have probably bought your place ten times over- and they don't live on the corn/ethanol subsidy and the government hand outs like most the midwest does... :)


so in this thread OT has admitted that the "liberal", federally funded and guided, education system is not working, and that he notices the $1000s that others spend on their clothing.

Hmmmm?


Maybe if the education system was more "locally" administered, people would recognize the hard work and effort that goes into afforded those clothes and that "government did not make that"
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Maybe if the education system was more "locally" administered, people would recognize the hard work and effort that goes into afforded those clothes and that "government did not make that"

Hypocrit- if you were a true follower of your name- you would have looked back andf found where I think/support the whole Federal Dept of Educatoion being done away with- and it being left to the State- and mainly local school board control... As a former School Board Member- I believe the major part of education should be controlled locally- and programs like GW's "No Child Left Behind" won't/didn't work...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Maybe if the education system was more "locally" administered, people would recognize the hard work and effort that goes into afforded those clothes and that "government did not make that"

Hypocrit- if you were a true follower of your name- you would have looked back andf found where I think/support the whole Federal Dept of Educatoion being done away with- and it being left to the State- and mainly local school board control... As a former School Board Member- I believe the major part of education should be controlled locally- and programs like GW's "No Child Left Behind" won't/didn't work...


and if you looked back, you would not be making false accusations against those that are not racist/sexual harrassers etc. and not have tried to associate them with other groups or individual members of such groups, just to make your point, which is more often guilt by association, in attempts to reach your agenda of getting the party of "freebies" elected, now that you are retired and your wife is about to retire. You've come a long way from being a "true conservative". did you not save enough, or invest enough in these companies that you are now demonizing?

Try being honest for awhile. It might help your image.
 
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