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Oltimer could you explain this?

Big Muddy rancher

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As I understand this is the concealed carry rules in effect in Valley County
45-8-328. Carrying concealed weapon in prohibited place -- penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited place if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon in:
(a) portions of a building used for state or local government offices and related areas in the building that have been restricted;
(b) a bank, credit union, savings and loan institution, or similar institution during the institution's normal business hours. It is not an offense under this section to carry a concealed weapon while:
(i) using an institution's drive-up window, automatic teller machine, or unstaffed night depository; or
(ii) at or near a branch office of an institution in a mall, grocery store, or other place unless the person is inside the enclosure used for the institution's financial services or is using the institution's financial services.
(c) a room in which alcoholic beverages are sold, dispensed, and consumed under a license issued under Title 16 for the sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
(2) It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.

But you posted this?
" The neighbor I'd loaned the auger to dropped me off at my vehicle at the Waterhole- and thats when my wife called and said "I'm OK- I wasn't one of the ones shot- we're in lockdown- don't leave town until I call you because they think the shooter (s) are in the area of our house or headed that way.. "
And then this"The other thing that showed tonight was that everyone knows that I don't walk across the street without packing-- I had more women loving me up and willing to spend the night with me and offering a place to spend the night in town than I ever had before"

Are leading us to believe you are carrying concealed in a prohibited place?
:?
 

hopalong

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twenty to one he will come up with some wild a$$ed story as to why HE can get by with it!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Either that or ignore the question like he usually ignores qusetions asked of him!!!!!
 

Mike

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Law Enforcement Officers
Federal legislation signed in July 2004 exempts current and retired law enforcement officers from Montana’s concealed weapon statute. Any qualified law enforcement officer with proper identification can carry a concealed weapon, overruling state concealed weapons laws to the contrary.

https://doj.mt.gov/enforcement/concealed-weapons/
 
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Anonymous

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Big Muddy rancher said:
As I understand this is the concealed carry rules in effect in Valley County
45-8-328. Carrying concealed weapon in prohibited place -- penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited place if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon in:
(a) portions of a building used for state or local government offices and related areas in the building that have been restricted;
(b) a bank, credit union, savings and loan institution, or similar institution during the institution's normal business hours. It is not an offense under this section to carry a concealed weapon while:
(i) using an institution's drive-up window, automatic teller machine, or unstaffed night depository; or
(ii) at or near a branch office of an institution in a mall, grocery store, or other place unless the person is inside the enclosure used for the institution's financial services or is using the institution's financial services.
(c) a room in which alcoholic beverages are sold, dispensed, and consumed under a license issued under Title 16 for the sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
(2) It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.

But you posted this?
" The neighbor I'd loaned the auger to dropped me off at my vehicle at the Waterhole- and thats when my wife called and said "I'm OK- I wasn't one of the ones shot- we're in lockdown- don't leave town until I call you because they think the shooter (s) are in the area of our house or headed that way.. "
And then this"The other thing that showed tonight was that everyone knows that I don't walk across the street without packing-- I had more women loving me up and willing to spend the night with me and offering a place to spend the night in town than I ever had before"

Are leading us to believe you are carrying concealed in a prohibited place?
:?

That is for holders of concealed weapons permits....
You forget tho:

On July 7, 2004, the Senate voted to pass H.B. 218 the National Concealed Carry for Cops legislation that was passed by the House on June 23, 2004. On July 22, 2004, President George W. Bush signed into law what is officially entitled the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004. This law allows qualified active (on- or off-duty) and honorably retired law enforcement officers to carry their firearms concealed nationwide.

As an honorably retired officer I fall under the policy and procedures of the Dept.- the same as when I was an Active Officer..

One of the best things GW did in all the 8 years he was in there...

I don't go out of state often- but some of the retired officers I know that travel all the time have told me that with the Retired Officers ID you are readily accepted almost anywhere as a brother officer...
 

hopalong

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That says carryt nationwide,,,,it does not say you can carry into places that are prohibited by law of carrying aweapon into oldtimer :roll: :roll:
 

Mike

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Montana Code;
45-8-327. Carrying concealed weapon while under influence. A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon while under the influence of an intoxicating substance. It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or be fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.

Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) limit to be intoxicated in Montana is .08.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Montana Code;
45-8-327. Carrying concealed weapon while under influence. A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon while under the influence of an intoxicating substance. It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or be fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.

Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) limit to be intoxicated in Montana is .08.

Yep-- you can't go get pickled while packing- but the Law Enforcement Safety Act of 2004 also doesn't restrict your not being able to carry in places that serve alcohol...
I think where the out of town off duty Utah Officer shot and killed a nutcase shooting up the place and saved many lives was in a night club/dining establishment as he was taking his wife out on the town...


Law Enforcement Safety Act of 2004

The phrase “under the influence of alcohol or hallucinatory drug or substance” is not defined in the statute. Therefore, it should be interpreted using the states’ penal code or may even be more restrictive. A law enforcement agency’s policy regarding carrying a concealed weapon while off duty should include a definition of intoxication and should prohibit an officer from carrying a weapon if he is under the influence of alcohol. The written policy should also restrict an officer from carrying a firearmif over-the-counter or prescribed medicine impairs the officer’s mental or physical condition. A department’s policy should make it clear that the restrictions listed above also apply to officers carrying their weapon while traveling.

And in the instance that Big Muddy is trying to play Hopalong and throw mud about- I was operating as an Agent of the Owner- as both the manager and the Owner of the establishment (who was out of town) called and asked me to secure the business for employees and patrons- which we did with a lockdown...Owners/employees/agents can pack within their respective business...
Its often up here on the Hi-line you see the bar owner or bar tender packing a sidearm--especially in some of the reservation establishments..
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
And in the instance that Big Muddy is trying to play Hopalong and throw mud about- I was operating as an Agent of the Owner- as both the manager and the Owner of the establishment (who was out of town) called and asked me to secure the business for employees and patrons- which we did with a lockdown...


Oldtimer said:
Venezuela 45.1

ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans!

So is Whitewing committing a criminal act with the weapon he claims to carry-- or is this whole fearmongering e-mail post a farce? :???:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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I wasn't throwing "MUD" I asked a question.

I was looking to see what the MT concealed carry laws entailed and remembered you posting about being arm at the "Waterhole".

So do other concealed carry permitee's have to just lock up weapons in a vehicle while doing there daily business?
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
And in the instance that Big Muddy is trying to play Hopalong and throw mud about- I was operating as an Agent of the Owner- as both the manager and the Owner of the establishment (who was out of town) called and asked me to secure the business for employees and patrons- which we did with a lockdown.

So while you're on duty and being paid by the county, you can also be an Agent of the Owner of a place that sells alcohol?

Guess that would have been a tough one on your part if the school had called at the same time.....do I protect my alcohol stock or those kids? Decisions decisions.
 
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Anonymous

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Big Muddy rancher said:
I wasn't throwing "MUD" I asked a question.

I was looking to see what the MT concealed carry laws entailed and remembered you posting about being arm at the "Waterhole".

So do other concealed carry permitee's have to just lock up weapons in a vehicle while doing there daily business?

Yeah if you're going to be going to the bank, courthouse, bar, etc-- that's about it... And several other places like the Clinics and Hospitals have signs up not wanting any weapons..
 
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Anonymous

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
And in the instance that Big Muddy is trying to play Hopalong and throw mud about- I was operating as an Agent of the Owner- as both the manager and the Owner of the establishment (who was out of town) called and asked me to secure the business for employees and patrons- which we did with a lockdown.

So while you're on duty and being paid by the county, you can also be an Agent of the Owner of a place that sells alcohol?

Guess that would have been a tough one on your part if the school had called at the same time.....do I protect my alcohol stock or those kids? Decisions decisions.

I was not on duty- and being paid by the County- I was retired...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
And in the instance that Big Muddy is trying to play Hopalong and throw mud about- I was operating as an Agent of the Owner- as both the manager and the Owner of the establishment (who was out of town) called and asked me to secure the business for employees and patrons- which we did with a lockdown.

So while you're on duty and being paid by the county, you can also be an Agent of the Owner of a place that sells alcohol?

Guess that would have been a tough one on your part if the school had called at the same time.....do I protect my alcohol stock or those kids? Decisions decisions.

I was not on duty- and being paid by the County- I was retired...

Okay. What year was that? And what was all the gibberish about the women all about.....wanting you to spend the night etc?
 

gmacbeef

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Oltimer said. I had more women loving me up and willing to spend the night with me and offering a place to spend the night in town than I ever had before"

He was OBVIOUSLY blasted out of his MIND when he posted that. :lol:
 

katrina

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gmacbeef said:
Oltimer said. I had more women loving me up and willing to spend the night with me and offering a place to spend the night in town than I ever had before"
He was OBVIOUSLY blasted out of his MIND when he posted that. :lol:


Where is the puke emotions when ya need one.... Ot as a gigolo is now burned into my mind and I now think I will need some sort of treatment... Is there a doctor in the house?? :help:
 

Tam

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katrina said:
gmacbeef said:
Oltimer said. I had more women loving me up and willing to spend the night with me and offering a place to spend the night in town than I ever had before"
He was OBVIOUSLY blasted out of his MIND when he posted that. :lol:


Where is the puke emotions when ya need one.... Ot as a gigolo is now burned into my mind and I now think I will need some sort of treatment... Is there a doctor in the house?? :help:

I'm betting the old saying "women get better looking at closing time" goes both ways in Valley County if women were actually trying to pick up Oldtimer. :wink:
 

Larrry

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ot, there is not enough alcohol those women could drink to cozy up to you. They would puke before they got that drunk and probably did.
 

Mike

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Larrry said:
ot, there is not enough alcohol those women could drink to cozy up to you. They would puke before they got that drunk and probably did.

Oh yes there is. Here's one waving down OT now in downtown Glasgow.
OTHooker_zps6167e739.jpg
 

ranch hand

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You were dropped off at the watering hole when your wife called you. Did the owner call you before or after you heard from your wife? Were you in drinking and packing when your wife called? Some how I don't see women wanting to sleep with you gun or not. Don't you tell them you are married?
 
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