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Soapweed

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On Becoming Illegal.
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Becoming Illegal (Actual letter from an Iowa resident and sent to his senator)

The Honorable Tom Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone (202) 224 3254
Washington DC, 20510

Dear Senator Harkin,

As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.

Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as 'in-state' tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,
Donald Ruppert
Burlington , IA

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nonothing

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I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

I don't think that is relevant to the topic at hand.
 

nonothing

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Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

I don't think that is relevant to the topic at hand.

So thats is your answer? .thats weak,but not surprising...
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

I don't think that is relevant to the topic at hand.

So thats is your answer? .thats weak,but not surprising...

Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.
 

Cal

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nonothing has a point. We should do all we can to ship them north across that imaginary Canadian border where they can have wonderful free healthcare.
 
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Anonymous

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Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
I don't think that is relevant to the topic at hand.

So thats is your answer? .thats weak,but not surprising...

Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.

Why not ask GW or the current neocon Knight in Rusting Armor (McCain) that championed the Bush/McCain/Kennedy amnesty Bill- and are still working hand over fist to get it thru the backdoor channels now so their Corporate elite buddies can legally renew the Slave trade.... :???: :( :mad:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
I don't think that is relevant to the topic at hand.

So thats is your answer? .thats weak,but not surprising...

Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.

Still dodging my Question I see....

The answer may be as simple as this...Why not help make the home people are running from more like the home they are running to....Maybe stop looking for who to blame but look for ways to help....Ask yourself why are these people doing this and if I where them what would I do.....fences and bullets are not the long term answer..just because you were born into a wonderful country like the USA,does not mean you should not see another mans struggle to better his families life.....For most things to change,we must understand the reasons,then you can attack the right parts to the overall equation
 

Cal

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Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
So thats is your answer? .thats weak,but not surprising...

Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.

Why not ask GW or the current neocon Knight in Rusting Armor (McCain) that championed the Bush/McCain/Kennedy amnesty Bill- and are still working hand over fist to get it thru the backdoor channels now so their Corporate elite buddies can legally renew the Slave trade.... :???: :( :mad:
Sheeeez....they go through alot of trouble to be slaves.....but I'm surprised that the wonderful Dem Congress hasn't taken care of the problem. So what's your boy Hussein going to do about it?
 

nonothing

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Cal said:
nonothing has a point. We should do all we can to ship them north across that imaginary Canadian border where they can have wonderful free healthcare.

I understand your point Cal.it is just it will never stop no matter what the consequences are.......As long as the next door country is like heaven compared to thier own,they will find ways to get in....My point is,one has to understand the reason to fix the problem....

You can put a bandaid over a cut but untill you do something about the infection,the wound will never heal....
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
So thats is your answer? .thats weak,but not surprising...

Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.

Still dodging my Question I see....

The answer may be as simple as this...Why not help make the home people are running from more like the home they are running to....Maybe stop looking for who to blame but look for ways to help....Ask yourself why are these people doing this and if I where them what would I do.....fences and bullets are not the long term answer..just because you were born into a wonderful country like the USA,does not mean you should not see another mans struggle to better his families life.....For most things to change,we must understand the reasons,then you can attack the right parts to the overall equation

It used to be that people who came to the USA from foreign countries came here to better their lives. They realized that the USA was a freedom loving country that flourished because of a capitalistic system. America welcomed and encouraged hard working talented individuals. These newcomers also tried their best to assimilate themselves into the new culture, and learned the English language as soon as they could. They entered our country by legal means, and immediately they were assets and positive contributors to their new home.

The now generation of newcomers, alias "illegal aliens," don't try very hard to take on the ways of America. They want to make America into just another location of their old homes in their foreign land. They think they should have all the rights and benefits that citizenship offers, without any of the sacrifices and responsibilities. They milk the system for all it is worth. I don't blame the newcomers who try to get by with this stuff nearly as much as I do our politicians, law makers, and law enforcers who let them get by with it. Our judicial system stinks, and it is the liberal irresponsible judges who exude the most odor.
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

Actually, if you study the Old Testament, there were certain lands that God gave the tribes and certain lands that were not to be theirs. Therefore, it is quite clear that God does recognize borders, he created some.

If you want to do the Lord's work, do something to fix the problem, which is certain countries being such **** holes that their citizens are compelled to leave with nothing but the clothes on their back, not the US immigration policy. Do something so those people can get a job near their homes and families instead of having to travel 1000s of miles so they can be second class people. You're not doing them any favors promoting the status quo.
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

Actually, if you study the Old Testament, there were certain lands that God gave the tribes and certain lands that were not to be theirs. Therefore, it is quite clear that God does recognize borders, he created some.

If you want to do the Lord's work, do something to fix the problem, which is certain countries being such s*** holes that their citizens are compelled to leave with nothing but the clothes on their back, not the US immigration policy. Do something so those people can get a job near their homes and families instead of having to travel 1000s of miles so they can be second class people. You're not doing them any favors promoting the status quo.

I Agree whole heartly with that Sandhusker....
 
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Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.

Still dodging my Question I see....

The answer may be as simple as this...Why not help make the home people are running from more like the home they are running to....Maybe stop looking for who to blame but look for ways to help....Ask yourself why are these people doing this and if I where them what would I do.....fences and bullets are not the long term answer..just because you were born into a wonderful country like the USA,does not mean you should not see another mans struggle to better his families life.....For most things to change,we must understand the reasons,then you can attack the right parts to the overall equation

It used to be that people who came to the USA from foreign countries came here to better their lives. They realized that the USA was a freedom loving country that flourished because of a capitalistic system. America welcomed and encouraged hard working talented individuals. These newcomers also tried their best to assimilate themselves into the new culture, and learned the English language as soon as they could. They entered our country by legal means, and immediately they were assets and positive contributors to their new home.

The now generation of newcomers, alias "illegal aliens," don't try very hard to take on the ways of America. They want to make America into just another location of their old homes in their foreign land. They think they should have all the rights and benefits that citizenship offers, without any of the sacrifices and responsibilities. They milk the system for all it is worth. I don't blame the newcomers who try to get by with this stuff nearly as much as I do our politicians, law makers, and law enforcers who let them get by with it. Our judicial system stinks, and it is the liberal irresponsible judges who exude the most odor.

How about the Administration (GW's) that supports his appointed prosecuters deceptively hiding facts from and providing false info to these courts/judges in order to convict law enforcement officers (Border Patrolmen) that are protecting our borders from illegal invasion- and our children from masses of illegal drugs- while giving an illegal invader to this country with a known history of transporting illegal drugs more credibility and in return immunity from prosectution for transporting over a 1/4 ton of drugs -so that he can (and has) continued to invade the country with more drugs - and GW doesn't have the Balls to rectify the mistake.... :???: :( :( :mad:

As even many hard line conservatives are now asking--How tied to drug money is GW/Fox and some of GW's appointees :???: :(
 

TSR

Well-known member
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
Your irrelevant question is also weak, off-the-wall, and not surprising.

There are certain rules that United States citizens have to abide by. Why can some person that gained access to this country by illegal means, have benefits that the legal citizens do not have? Why should people that abide by the rules be penalized, and the ones that do things dishonestly be glorified? You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.

Still dodging my Question I see....

The answer may be as simple as this...Why not help make the home people are running from more like the home they are running to....Maybe stop looking for who to blame but look for ways to help....Ask yourself why are these people doing this and if I where them what would I do.....fences and bullets are not the long term answer..just because you were born into a wonderful country like the USA,does not mean you should not see another mans struggle to better his families life.....For most things to change,we must understand the reasons,then you can attack the right parts to the overall equation

It used to be that people who came to the USA from foreign countries came here to better their lives. They realized that the USA was a freedom loving country that flourished because of a capitalistic system. America welcomed and encouraged hard working talented individuals. These newcomers also tried their best to assimilate themselves into the new culture, and learned the English language as soon as they could. They entered our country by legal means, and immediately they were assets and positive contributors to their new home.

The now generation of newcomers, alias "illegal aliens," don't try very hard to take on the ways of America. They want to make America into just another location of their old homes in their foreign land. They think they should have all the rights and benefits that citizenship offers, without any of the sacrifices and responsibilities. They milk the system for all it is worth. I don't blame the newcomers who try to get by with this stuff nearly as much as I do our politicians, law makers, and law enforcers who let them get by with it. Our judicial system stinks, and it is the liberal irresponsible judges who exude the most odor.

I agree with one exception, I blame our Congress for being sold out to corporate interests moreso than even the judges. I probably will not vote for another incumbent unless they address the immigration issue with something besides amnesty. Have they forgotten the definition of ILLEGAL? And the frontrunners for president all basically favor amnesty. Corporate interests trumping the laws of our nation-again. :x
 

Mike

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The answer may be as simple as this...Why not help make the home people are running from more like the home they are running to

:lol: :lol: First you Libs whine and complain that the USA is meddling in other country's business......now you say we should meddle more... :roll:
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
As even many hard line conservatives are now asking--How tied to drug money is GW/Fox and some of GW's appointees :???: :(
That's really stupid. Name some of those "hard line conservatives" that are asking that.
 

Texan

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Mike said:
The answer may be as simple as this...Why not help make the home people are running from more like the home they are running to

:lol: :lol: First you Libs whine and complain that the USA is meddling in other country's business......now you say we should meddle more... :roll:
We already tried that. I think it was called NAFTA, or something like that.
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

Incase you really care what God has to say about obeying laws of the land.


Titus 3:1 (KJV)

Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,


A little more plainer English version "

Titus 3:1 (The New American Bible).


"Remind people to be loyally subject to the government and its officials, to obey the laws."-

Romans 13:6-7 shows us that we are suppose to pay our taxes and obey the laws of the land.

6For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

7(A)Render to all what is due them: (B)tax to whom tax is due; (C)custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.


And then one of the best examples in the Bible of obeying the rulers of that time and the law in regards Registering was Joseph and Mary.

Luke 2:1-5

[/i]Luke 2

Jesus' Birth in Bethlehem

1Now in those days a decree went out from (A)Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of (B)all [a]the inhabited earth.

2This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of (C)Syria.

3And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city.

4Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because (D)he was of the house and family of David,

5in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.



Hope that gives you some idea on how God tells us he feels about people obeying the laws of the land. There are many more examples in the Bible if you care to read them?
 
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