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nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

Incase you really care what God has to say about obeying laws of the land.


Titus 3:1 (KJV)

Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,


A little more plainer English version "

Titus 3:1 (The New American Bible).


"Remind people to be loyally subject to the government and its officials, to obey the laws."-

Romans 13:6-7 shows us that we are suppose to pay our taxes and obey the laws of the land.

6For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

7(A)Render to all what is due them: (B)tax to whom tax is due; (C)custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.


And then one of the best examples in the Bible of obeying the rulers of that time and the law in regards Registering was Joseph and Mary.

Luke 2:1-5

[/i]Luke 2

Jesus' Birth in Bethlehem

1Now in those days a decree went out from (A)Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of (B)all [a]the inhabited earth.

2This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of (C)Syria.

3And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city.

4Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because (D)he was of the house and family of David,

5in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.



Hope that gives you some idea on how God tells us he feels about people obeying the laws of the land. There are many more examples in the Bible if you care to read them?


So if one obey's his leader,he is therfore obeying God?.....That sure does put a whole different twist to many world problems..If your leader is telling you different things then my leader is telling me,then there can be no right or wrong way to live? For God put us there to obey our leaders,and the laws of that land?..
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I wonder when God creates a new life and finds that life a home,does he care about borders,or lines on a map...What do you think Soapweed?

Incase you really care what God has to say about obeying laws of the land.


Titus 3:1 (KJV)

Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,


A little more plainer English version "

Titus 3:1 (The New American Bible).


"Remind people to be loyally subject to the government and its officials, to obey the laws."-

Romans 13:6-7 shows us that we are suppose to pay our taxes and obey the laws of the land.

6For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

7(A)Render to all what is due them: (B)tax to whom tax is due; (C)custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.


And then one of the best examples in the Bible of obeying the rulers of that time and the law in regards Registering was Joseph and Mary.

Luke 2:1-5

[/i]Luke 2

Jesus' Birth in Bethlehem

1Now in those days a decree went out from (A)Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of (B)all [a]the inhabited earth.

2This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of (C)Syria.

3And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city.

4Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because (D)he was of the house and family of David,

5in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.



Hope that gives you some idea on how God tells us he feels about people obeying the laws of the land. There are many more examples in the Bible if you care to read them?


So if one obey's his leader,he is therfore obeying God?.....That sure does put a whole different twist to many world problems..If your leader is telling you different things then my leader is telling me,then there can be no right or wrong way to live? For God put us there to obey our leaders,and the laws of that land?..


I don't know why I try to explain this to you because you have expressed you do not believe in the Bible, but maybe someone else will gleam something or maybe one day you will care enough to try to learn. But here goes.

God allows them to be in their positions and basically uses them to keep order. But as with all people we have free choice, if a ruler does something bad or tells us we have to do something that goes against GODS Laws then we must obey Gods laws first.

Example: Bibles are outlawed in some lands, but Christains should still strive to have and read Gods word even if the ruler of that land says otherwise, as well as teach this gospel to others even if it is against the law.

But when something does not obey Gods laws then we must obey the rulers in place even if that varies land to land.

Example: If Canada has a 35% tax rate and the U.S. has a 50% tax rate we both should obey our separate rulers and pay the tax that is demanded of us, because paying our taxes does not disobey any of Gods laws, and he actually tells us to pay them.

Just like gun laws, if Canada and Mexico say we can not carry guns into their lands then Americans should obey these countries laws even though, the U.S allows us to own guns.

It really is pretty simple if you do not try to over philosophy it.
 

kolanuraven

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PrairieQueen said:
kolanuraven said:
Look at the last 2 or 3 posts here.

Obama was right.....ya do run to your Bibles and guns. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Huh? :???:


Simple


The title of this thread is about Illegal Aliens..


AMinus has now started quoting the Bible and gun laws....this is the way it ALWAYS ends up. Waaaaayyyy off topic and Bible quotes.
 

backhoeboogie

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kolanuraven said:
PrairieQueen said:
kolanuraven said:
Look at the last 2 or 3 posts here.

Obama was right.....ya do run to your Bibles and guns. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Huh? :???:


Simple


The title of this thread is about Illegal Aliens..


AMinus has now started quoting the Bible and gun laws....this is the way it ALWAYS ends up. Waaaaayyyy off topic and Bible quotes.

Aint no one wound up shot yet tho. That's only on account of us being so darn far apart and everyone hiding behind dit names.

Being disgusted with gays has nothing to do with religion for me.

I don't need to pull out the bible. I know what it says.
 

kolanuraven

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backhoeboogie said:
kolanuraven said:
PrairieQueen said:
Huh? :???:


Simple


The title of this thread is about Illegal Aliens..


AMinus has now started quoting the Bible and gun laws....this is the way it ALWAYS ends up. Waaaaayyyy off topic and Bible quotes.

Aint no one wound up shot yet tho. That's only on account of us being so darn far apart and everyone hiding behind dit names.

Being disgusted with gays has nothing to do with religion for me.

I don't need to pull out the bible. I know what it says.


Wrong thread Boogie....this is about Illegal Aliens..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

PrairieQueen

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kolanuraven said:
PrairieQueen said:
kolanuraven said:
Look at the last 2 or 3 posts here.

Obama was right.....ya do run to your Bibles and guns. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Huh? :???:


Simple


The title of this thread is about Illegal Aliens..


AMinus has now started quoting the Bible and gun laws....this is the way it ALWAYS ends up. Waaaaayyyy off topic and Bible quotes.

I don't believe he initially brought up the subject of "what would God do" but I also don't think that is what Obama meant by his statement either.

But that is probably OT also....
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Look at the last 2 or 3 posts here.

Obama was right.....ya do run to your Bibles and guns. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Look at the second post of the thread, it was a Liberal Canadian that brought up God and what he would do. I doubt Obama was talking about Liberal Canadians when he gave that speech.

All I did was respond to nonothings sarcastic implications with some factual examples of how God tells us he feels about these situations.

This thread is a perfect example of how I bring up religion, it is not because I am some Bible Thumping Radical, it is because I hate to see facts being ignored when the subject comes up.

I think the thread could have been interesting with out God ever being mentioned. But I will not avoid the conversation when nonothing uses God in a sarcastic and inacurate remark.

Now back to the illegals.
 

CattleArmy

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backhoeboogie said:
kolanuraven said:
PrairieQueen said:
Huh? :???:


Simple


The title of this thread is about Illegal Aliens..


AMinus has now started quoting the Bible and gun laws....this is the way it ALWAYS ends up. Waaaaayyyy off topic and Bible quotes.

Aint no one wound up shot yet tho. That's only on account of us being so darn far apart and everyone hiding behind dit names.

Being disgusted with gays has nothing to do with religion for me.

I don't need to pull out the bible. I know what it says.

Look bibles, guns, and their disgust for gays all in an illegal alien post. :roll: :???:

Just think what they could do with a post about gay illegal aliens from Canada. :wink:
 

Cal

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nonothing said:
Cal said:
nonothing has a point. We should do all we can to ship them north across that imaginary Canadian border where they can have wonderful free healthcare.

I understand your point Cal.it is just it will never stop no matter what the consequences are.......As long as the next door country is like heaven compared to thier own,they will find ways to get in....My point is,one has to understand the reason to fix the problem....

You can put a bandaid over a cut but untill you do something about the infection,the wound will never heal....
For practical reasons, I do think that things in Mexico are improving, and there's no reason that they shouldn't be good, overall. It's a country with plenty of resources, that basically needs a government overhaul. I don't think that we're able to change that in the near future. We will be in Mexico next Nov. and am looking forward to seeing a bit of everyday life. I was looking over some statistics a while back and discovered that Mexico's illiteracy rate was about equal to the number of illegals that we have in our country and was wondering about a correlation.
 
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Cal said:
nonothing said:
Cal said:
nonothing has a point. We should do all we can to ship them north across that imaginary Canadian border where they can have wonderful free healthcare.

I understand your point Cal.it is just it will never stop no matter what the consequences are.......As long as the next door country is like heaven compared to thier own,they will find ways to get in....My point is,one has to understand the reason to fix the problem....

You can put a bandaid over a cut but untill you do something about the infection,the wound will never heal....
For practical reasons, I do think that things in Mexico are improving, and there's no reason that they shouldn't be good, overall. It's a country with plenty of resources, that basically needs a government overhaul. I don't think that we're able to change that in the near future. We will be in Mexico next Nov. and am looking forward to seeing a bit of everyday life. I was looking over some statistics a while back and discovered that Mexico's illiteracy rate was about equal to the number of illegals that we have in our country and was wondering about a correlation.

Cal- better wear your bullet proof shorts and leave your family at home...Kidnappings and carjackings are spreading all over the country- as more and more of the Mexican military and police desert from fighting their own people and go to rogue banditry against foreigners and Americans- or join the drug cartel militias which pay much more.....

One article I read told of roadblocks in numerous places thruout the country--but the only thing is that some are real- and some are set up by uniformed deserters that drag people out of their cars and rob, assault, sometimes kill or kidnap- and steal their cars....And their is no way for travellers to know which is legit or not....

Not the time for a vacation in much of Mekiko....


Violence in Mexico spills across US border
By EILEEN SULLIVAN – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Three Mexican police chiefs have requested political asylum in the U.S. as violence escalates in the Mexican drug wars and spills across the U.S. border, a top Homeland Security official told The Associated Press.

In the past few months, the police officials have shown up at the U.S. border, fearing for their lives, according to Jayson Ahern, the deputy commissioner of Customs and Border Protection.

"They're basically abandoned by their police officers or police departments in many cases," Ahern told AP.

Ahern said the Mexican officials — whom he didn't name — are being interviewed and their cases are under review for possible asylum.

In the most recent high-level assassination, a top-ranking official on a local Mexican police force was shot more than 50 times and killed. Drug-related violence killed more than 2,500 people last year alone in Mexico.

"It's almost like a military fight," Ahern said Tuesday. "I don't think that generally the American public has any sense of the level of violence that occurs on the border."

As the cartels fight for territory, this carnage spills over to the U.S., Ahern said — from bullet-ridden people stumbling into U.S. territory, to rounds of ammunition coming across U.S. entry ports.

U.S. humvees retrofitted with steel mesh over the glass windows patrol parts of the border to protect agents against guns shots and large rocks regularly thrown at them. At times agents are pinned down by sniper fire as people try to illegally cross into the U.S.

Mexico's drug cartels have long divided the border, with each controlling key cities. But over the past decade Mexico has arrested or killed many of the gangs' top leaders, creating a power vacuum and throwing lucrative drug routes up for the taking.

President Felipe Calderon, who took office in December 2006, responded by deploying more than 24,000 soldiers and federal police to areas where the government had lost control. Cartels have reacted with unprecedented violence, beheading police and killing soldiers.

In general, violence along the U.S. border has gone up over the years. Seven frontline border agents were killed in 2007, and two so far in 2008. Assaults against officers have also shot up from 335 in fiscal 2001 to 987 in fiscal 2007.

There have been 362 assaults against officers during the first four months of 2008, according to Border Patrol statistics. The pattern has been that when more security resources are deployed along the U.S. border, violence against officers spike in response.

Most assaults are along the San Diego and Calexico, Calif., border, as well as the Arizona border near Yuma and south of Tucson.

Now, about 14,000 U.S. border agents work on the southern border, up from more than 9,000 in 2001.

The Bush administration has requested $500 million to fight drug crime in Mexico. Congress is currently considering the proposal.

A look at recent Mexican drug-war violence
By The Associated Press – 3 hours ago

A look at recent Mexican drug war-related violence:

May 10 — The No. 2 on the Juarez police force was shot more than 50 times and killed near his home. The Juarez police chief resigned that same day.

May 9 — Four gunmen in a truck shot and killed a former commander of Mexico City's anti-kidnapping unit. The former commander was shot seven times in the head in front of his apartment. At the time he was working for the Honor and Justice Council of Mexico City's police, which is similar to the internal affairs units in U.S. police forces.

May 8 — Mexico's acting federal police chief opened the door to his Mexico City apartment and was shot nine times and killed.

May 6 — The Ciudad Juarez Police captain was shot four times with an AK-47 and killed a block from his police station.

May 5 — A state police officer was shot and killed in front of her Ciudad Juarez home. A group of attackers spoke to her briefly before they shot her.

May 2 — The director of the Public Security Secretariat General staff was shot and killed as he left his Mexico City house.

May 1 — The head of the Organized Crime Department at the Federal Secretariat of Public Security was shot in the head by two men. The shooters ran off with the victim's car, and authorities found a .380 caliber weapon with a silencer.
 

Texan

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
As even many hard line conservatives are now asking--How tied to drug money is GW/Fox and some of GW's appointees :???: :(
That's really stupid. Name some of those "hard line conservatives" that are asking that.

How you coming with those names, Oldtimer?
 

PrairieQueen

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Why Are Dems Making Mexico Suffer?

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Diplomacy: When a neighbor's house is on fire, it makes sense to send water, not argue about building codes. Except to Democrats. As Mexico reels from its drug war, Congress is withholding critical help. It's a lethal logic.

Read More: Latin America & Caribbean

The Merida Initiative, proposed to Congress by President Bush after consultations with Mexico last fall, is a three-year, $1.4 billion program to help Mexico wipe out drug traffickers and terrorists.

For years they've scourged Mexico, but never as now, since President Felipe Calderon dispatched 36,000 troops to fight them in 2006. Taking these barbarians on is critical to Mexico's future and an act of courage that has been shown by no other Mexican leader.

It's a hard war that Mexico has fought alone and paid big. Last week traffickers struck at the heart of the Mexican state by assassinating the acting chief of the national police, Edgar Millan Gomez. They also have killed more than 400 Mexican troops and police.

These traffickers are brazen and vicious. The Gulf Cartel's Zeta paramilitaries openly solicit hit men on billboards and post clips of their killings on the Internet. They engage in al-Qaida-like beheadings as they battle the Sinaloa Cartel for drug transshipment routes.

They murder anyone in their path, from fellow dopers to innocent bystanders. They've machine-gunned restaurants full of people, and dried up tourism in border towns. Terrified locals live in fear of kidnapping and put bars on their windows. The bodies are piling up, with nearly 4,000 dead in the last year and a half. And the violence is only getting worse.

That's why the callousness that congressional Democrats have shown toward the first $500 million to buy helicopters, train police and beef up courts and prisons is so appalling. Bush wants it included in a supplemental defense bill on which he's urging fast action.

The Democrat response in the House has been to try to cut the aid, possibly to as low as $50 million, and House Republicans fear they may not even get that when a vote comes up on Thursday.

Democrats have a lot of excuses for withholding the money. Their pals in the AFL-CIO, who have enough pull in Congress to ice Colombia's free-trade pact, are now playing the same power game by contending Mexico's human rights aren't good enough for U.S. aid.

Their alternative: Let the bullets fly until every Mexican cop is perfect. Yet the aid helps clean up the Mexican police forces so they can fight and win. The union's opposition probably is more rooted in a leftist agenda that wants Calderon's conservative administration to fail.

Congressional Democrats are throwing their weight around, too. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., calls the Merida Initiative "the old war-on-drugs paradigm" that orthodox leftists doubt can ever be won. Along with Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., Dodd doubts the tough security approach that cleaned up New York City and Medellin, Colombia, can ever work.

They prefer social programs to a forceful response even when Mexican cabinet members are dying in hails of gunfire. For Dodd and Leahy, too, Mexico would be better off burning.

Some Republicans, such as Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., are concerned that U.S. money to Mexico could be lost to corruption. That's a valid concern, but there is evidence that the Merida Initiative won't be a boondoggle. Modeled on Plan Colombia, a $5 billion program that made a big dent in that country's drug war without corruption, it uses a proven formula for destroying trafficking organizations in places where they practically have taken over.

Back in 2000, when President Clinton initiated that program of training, equipment and intelligence-sharing, no one thought Colombia had a chance of succeeding. But with the leadership of President Alvaro Uribe, it did.

Colombia's urban areas went from gunfire-ridden hellholes to Singapore-like cities with virtually no trash, graffiti, beggars or dopers — cities with courteous soldiers, professional policemen and honest citizens, not to mention 7% economic growth.

Every night in Bogota's Candelaria district, college kids literally celebrate peace in the streets "because we once couldn't," one told us. That's a transformation.

What could be better for the United States than to bring that to Mexico? It already has seen some 6 million people flee the drug war to live on our side illegally. Get rid of the drug traffickers and many Mexicans will have reason to head home.

Democrats, however, have no enthusiasm for the promise of such success. They would prefer to see Mexico suffer, pat themselves on the back as they lecture on human rights and throw every roadblock they can at its future to get back at Bush. This is no way to treat a neighbor whose house fire could easily spread to ours.

http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=295571449663387

Does anyone know anymore about this Merida Initiative? First I have heard of it. Also, should it be our business to help Mexico fix it's government? Seems we get in trouble for trying to fix governments.
 
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Texan said:
Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
As even many hard line conservatives are now asking--How tied to drug money is GW/Fox and some of GW's appointees :???: :(
That's really stupid. Name some of those "hard line conservatives" that are asking that.

How you coming with those names, Oldtimer?

Congressmen like Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Ted Poe, Walter Jones, Ron Paul-- communicators like Jerome Corsi and former Republican/Conservative- now turned Populist/Independent (thanks to GW) Lou Dobbs for starters....
The right wing John Birch society as a Group....

Even Bill O'reilly has questioned "who stands to gain for giving priority treatment to/ and out and out falsification/hiding of evidence in favor of illegal invader drug smugglers over Border Patrol officers..... :???:
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
Texan said:
That's really stupid. Name some of those "hard line conservatives" that are asking that.

How you coming with those names, Oldtimer?

Congressmen like Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Ted Poe, Walter Jones, Ron Paul-- communicators like Jerome Corsi and former Republican/Conservative- now turned Populist/Independent (thanks to GW) Lou Dobbs for starters....
The right wing John Birch society as a Group....

Even Bill O'reilly has questioned "who stands to gain for giving priority treatment to/ and out and out falsification/hiding of evidence in favor of illegal invader drug smugglers over Border Patrol officers..... :???:
Let me be sure I get this straight:

You're claiming that all of those people have alleged that President Bush has ties to drug money?

Do you have any quotes or any links?

I've tried googling around and I can't find any quotes from any of those people alleging that. Do you recall where you saw that?
 
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I am not going to go back and look up every quote for you-- but everyone of these has questioned what everyone involved in the Bush Administration- from GW, to the crooked US attorney that presented biased evidence and hid other, to Chertoff and the Homeland Security officials that made up false reports...And what they stood to gain by prosecuting 2 Border Patrolmen- and in doing so intimidating all law enforcement along the border to not do their job- while giving immunity to known repeat illegal alien drug smugglers....

Follow the Money...
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
I am not going to go back and look up every quote for you-- but everyone of these has questioned what everyone involved in the Bush Administration- from GW, to the crooked US attorney that presented biased evidence and hid other, to Chertoff and the Homeland Security officials that made up false reports...And what they stood to gain by prosecuting 2 Border Patrolmen- and in doing so intimidating all law enforcement along the border to not do their job- while giving immunity to known repeat illegal alien drug smugglers....

Follow the Money...
Hmmm....all the free time you have to google around and copy and paste stuff here, and you're not going to go look those quotes up? :lol:

Are there any quotes? Did those people ever really ask that?

Oldtimer said:
As even many hard line conservatives are now asking--How tied to drug money is GW/Fox and some of GW's appointees

Did they really allege that President Bush has ties to drug money?

Or....are YOU the one who is alleging that? :???:
 

aplusmnt

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Texan said:
Are there any quotes? Did those people ever really ask that?



Did they really allege that President Bush has ties to drug money?

Or....are YOU the one who is alleging that? :???:

Now you are really going to have OT confused with all them questions, going to be hard to sort out all the conspiracy theories he thought up and the ones he read about, or the ones he saw on late night TV shows. Bet he does not even know which one it is now, that is why he is taking the 5th. :lol:
 

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