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On His First Day, Obama Quickly Sets a New Tone

Big Muddy rancher

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"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?
 

Steve

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sounds like a good start on ethics.. now if he can just clean up his retread administration..

starting with the guy who lied on his taxes.. isn't perjury and ethic problem?

Let's take a look at the arsenal of weapons the IRS can use to get a felony conviction for someone lying to an IRS employee and/or delivering false documents. The Internal Revenue Code (IRC) has two types of punishment for tax-related perjury violations: one is a misdemeanor; the other is a felony.

26 USC Section 7207
(misdemeanor)

Anyone who willfully delivers or discloses to the [IRS] any list, statement or other document, known by him to be fraudulent or to be false as to any material matter, shall be fined not more than $1,000, or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

26 USC Section 7206(1)
(felony)

Anyone who willfully makes and subscribes any return, statement, or other document, which contains or is verified by a written declaration that it is made under the penalties of perjury, and which he does not believe to be true and correct as to every material matter shall... be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $5,000, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.


18 USC Section 1621 (felony)

The so-called tax perjury statute 7206(1) and the general perjury statute 1621 are very serious felonies, but as you have noted, the above statutes require the taxpayer to perform particular overt acts. The tax perjury statute requires the taxpayer to submit a document (such as a tax return, financial statement, or affidavit) signed under the penalties of perjury.

The Internal Revenue Service requires the tax forms to be signed under penalty of perjury.

if it is good enough for scooter.. it's good enough for Obama's guy.. . I say convict him and see if Obama lets him rot in jail or commutes his sentence.. :twisted: :roll: :wink:
 

Steve

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Big Muddy rancher said:
"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?

because he isn't black..
 
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Anonymous

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Big Muddy rancher said:
"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?

First off a majority of Americans thought it was a nonissue-excepted what was presented-- and voted that way....

And apparently the POTUS (Bush)- sworn to uphold the Constitution- and the Attorney General (Mukasey) the highest law enforcer of the land, who is also sworn to uphold the Constitution- along with the VP (Cheney) who certified him as President of the Senate- after no one in the Senate objsected---- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court- who administered the Oath of Office as POTUS thought their was-- nor brought to light any question of an issue......

Just because a couple right wingnut racists and extremists in Nebraska, Kansas, or Alabama think its so-- doesn't make it fact....:roll:

Or do you too believe this is a right wingnut/left wingnut/ all wingnut group conspiracy :roll: :???: :wink: :lol: :p
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?

Now, now, BMR, shame on you for questioning the One. You're being negetive.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?

First off a majority of Americans thought it was a nonissue-excepted what was presented-- and voted that way....

And apparently the POTUS (Bush)- sworn to uphold the Constitution- and the Attorney General (Mukasey) the highest law enforcer of the land, who is also sworn to uphold the Constitution- along with the VP (Cheney) who certified him as President of the Senate- after no one in the Senate objsected---- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court- who administered the Oath of Office as POTUS thought their was-- nor brought to light any question of an issue......

Just because a couple right wingnut racists and extremists in Nebraska, Kansas, or Alabama think its so-- doesn't make it fact....:roll:

Or do you too believe this is a right wingnut/left wingnut/ all wingnut group conspiracy :roll: :???: :wink: :lol: :p


In the words of the great statesman from Nebraska Larry the Cable Guy
"I BELIEVE" I would have spent the $12 and shut everybody up instead of spending what reports have said "Close to a million dollars" to keep anybody from seeing it. :p
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?

First off a majority of Americans thought it was a nonissue-excepted what was presented-- and voted that way....

And apparently the POTUS (Bush)- sworn to uphold the Constitution- and the Attorney General (Mukasey) the highest law enforcer of the land, who is also sworn to uphold the Constitution- along with the VP (Cheney) who certified him as President of the Senate- after no one in the Senate objsected---- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court- who administered the Oath of Office as POTUS thought their was-- nor brought to light any question of an issue......

Just because a couple right wingnut racists and extremists in Nebraska, Kansas, or Alabama think its so-- doesn't make it fact....:roll:

Or do you too believe this is a right wingnut/left wingnut/ all wingnut group conspiracy :roll: :???: :wink: :lol: :p

The majority of voters didn't even know about it and even if they did, they can't override the Constitution.

Why doesn't Obama just bring the damn thing?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
"“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said at a swearing-in ceremony for senior officials at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. He added, “Transparency and rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

So why spend close to a million dollars to hide a $12 birth certificate?

First off a majority of Americans thought it was a nonissue-excepted what was presented-- and voted that way....

And apparently the POTUS (Bush)- sworn to uphold the Constitution- and the Attorney General (Mukasey) the highest law enforcer of the land, who is also sworn to uphold the Constitution- along with the VP (Cheney) who certified him as President of the Senate- after no one in the Senate objsected---- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court- who administered the Oath of Office as POTUS thought their was-- nor brought to light any question of an issue......

Just because a couple right wingnut racists and extremists in Nebraska, Kansas, or Alabama think its so-- doesn't make it fact....:roll:

Or do you too believe this is a right wingnut/left wingnut/ all wingnut group conspiracy :roll: :???: :wink: :lol: :p

The majority of voters didn't even know about it and even if they did, they can't override the Constitution.

Why doesn't Obama just bring the damn thing?

Like I've explained before- why should he- when nobody that matters has questioned it... :???: The President- the Vice President- the Attorney General- the Congress- the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court have all recognized it as a NON ISSUE-- so why jump to the tune of a couple of racists or rightwingnuts that have been stirred into a furor by some radical false Rush/Rove type fear/hatemongering tactics :???:

Those folks need to go back to hooting and sloppering over Sister Sarah- grab their sixpacks (you betcha :wink: ) and quit worrying about what everyone else in the country says doesn't exist- because they're making a farce of what was the Grand Old Party with their extremism.....
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
First off a majority of Americans thought it was a nonissue-excepted what was presented-- and voted that way....

And apparently the POTUS (Bush)- sworn to uphold the Constitution- and the Attorney General (Mukasey) the highest law enforcer of the land, who is also sworn to uphold the Constitution- along with the VP (Cheney) who certified him as President of the Senate- after no one in the Senate objsected---- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court- who administered the Oath of Office as POTUS thought their was-- nor brought to light any question of an issue......

Just because a couple right wingnut racists and extremists in Nebraska, Kansas, or Alabama think its so-- doesn't make it fact....:roll:

Or do you too believe this is a right wingnut/left wingnut/ all wingnut group conspiracy :roll: :???: :wink: :lol: :p

The majority of voters didn't even know about it and even if they did, they can't override the Constitution.

Why doesn't Obama just bring the damn thing?

Like I've explained before- why should he- when nobody that matters has questioned it... :???: The President- the Vice President- the Attorney General- the Congress- the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court have all recognized it as a NON ISSUE-- so why jump to the tune of a couple of racists or rightwingnuts that have been stirred into a furor by some radical false Rush/Rove type fear/hatemongering tactics :???:

Those folks need to go back to hooting and sloppering over Sister Sarah- grab their sixpacks (you betcha :wink: ) and quit worrying about what everyone else in the country says doesn't exist- because they're making a farce of what was the Grand Old Party with their extremism.....

I thought the Constitution was by the people and for the people. What people is that Oldtimer if it's not the US VOTERS those same voters that filed lawsuits with the US courts to demand that their Constitution is upheld. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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It's not a false rumor that he has never proved his citizenship and it's not a false rumor that being a citizen is a requirement.

Why should he provide it? How about some of that transparancy that he promised? How about the fact that the $12 cert (that is supposed to be legit) would cost a hell of a lot less than what he's spending on lawyers to keep hidden? Spending money on lawyers to keep a legit $12 cert hidden makes sense to you?
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
The majority of voters didn't even know about it and even if they did, they can't override the Constitution.

Why doesn't Obama just bring the damn thing?

Like I've explained before- why should he- when nobody that matters has questioned it... :???: The President- the Vice President- the Attorney General- the Congress- the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court have all recognized it as a NON ISSUE-- so why jump to the tune of a couple of racists or rightwingnuts that have been stirred into a furor by some radical false Rush/Rove type fear/hatemongering tactics :???:

Those folks need to go back to hooting and sloppering over Sister Sarah- grab their sixpacks (you betcha :wink: ) and quit worrying about what everyone else in the country says doesn't exist- because they're making a farce of what was the Grand Old Party with their extremism.....

I thought the Constitution was by the people and for the people. What people is that Oldtimer if it's not the US VOTERS those same voter that filed lawsuits with the US courts to demand seeing to it their Constitution is upheld. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Federal Courts don't take all cases-- and very little BS-- they only take those that someone can show evidence/facts that they think supports their issue...

Both all those that were filed against McCain and Obama because of their birth questions were treated the same...They had no standing-- which is something that Federal courts exercise often, if you don't come up thru the basic courts and appeal process- and show evidence.....
As far as Berg- he's such a nut- that has filed so many irrelevant suits that many courts have banned him from filing anymore..
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Like I've explained before- why should he- when nobody that matters has questioned it... :???: The President- the Vice President- the Attorney General- the Congress- the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court have all recognized it as a NON ISSUE-- so why jump to the tune of a couple of racists or rightwingnuts that have been stirred into a furor by some radical false Rush/Rove type fear/hatemongering tactics :???:

Those folks need to go back to hooting and sloppering over Sister Sarah- grab their sixpacks (you betcha :wink: ) and quit worrying about what everyone else in the country says doesn't exist- because they're making a farce of what was the Grand Old Party with their extremism.....

I thought the Constitution was by the people and for the people. What people is that Oldtimer if it's not the US VOTERS those same voter that filed lawsuits with the US courts to demand seeing to it their Constitution is upheld. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Federal Courts don't take all cases-- and very little BS-- they only take those that someone can show evidence/facts that they think supports their issue...

Both all those that were filed against McCain and Obama because of their birth questions were treated the same...They had no standing-- which is something that Federal courts exercise often, if you don't come up thru the basic courts and appeal process- and show evidence.....
As far as Berg- he's such a nut- that has filed so many irrelevant suits that many courts have banned him from filing anymore..


McCain showed his and cleared up the question. Alan Keyes was a candidate and he was involved in a lawsuit.
 

hypocritexposer

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McCain showed his and cleared up the question. Alan Keyes was a candidate and he was involved in a lawsuit.

Obama was present when McCain showed his. He was trying to get him kicked off the ballot, like he has done with all his opponenets previously, except Rush, who beat him.
 
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Anonymous

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Obama showed his- and 53% of the voters voting accepted it and voted for him......Thats what makes up a Democracy.....

You wingnuts still haven't explained to me why if this is an issue- nobody in Leadership of the opposing party- nor the President- nor the VP- nor the AG- nor the Congress (not even one)- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court questioned it :???:

Are they all in a conspiracy together- or are you just a bunch of fearmongering wingnuts :???: :wink: :p :lol: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Obama showed his- and 53% of the voters voting accepted it and voted for him......Thats what makes up a Democracy.....

You wingnuts still haven't explained to me why if this is an issue- nobody in Leadership of the opposing party- nor the President- nor the VP- nor the AG- nor the Congress (not even one)- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court questioned it :???:

Are they all in a conspiracy together- or are you just a bunch of fearmongering wingnuts :???: :wink: :p :lol: :lol:

Obama never showed his and you know that damn well. When you make up stories to back your position, that ought to tell you something.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Obama showed his- and 53% of the voters voting accepted it and voted for him......Thats what makes up a Democracy.....

You wingnuts still haven't explained to me why if this is an issue- nobody in Leadership of the opposing party- nor the President- nor the VP- nor the AG- nor the Congress (not even one)- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court questioned it :???:

Are they all in a conspiracy together- or are you just a bunch of fearmongering wingnuts :???: :wink: :p :lol: :lol:

Obama never showed his and you know that damn well. When you make up stories to back your position, that ought to tell you something.

You still haven't explained to me or given an answer to why if this is a true legit issue- nobody in Leadership of the opposing party- nor the President- nor the VP- nor the AG- nor the Congress (not even one)- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court questioned it :???:
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Obama showed his- and 53% of the voters voting accepted it and voted for him......Thats what makes up a Democracy.....

You wingnuts still haven't explained to me why if this is an issue- nobody in Leadership of the opposing party- nor the President- nor the VP- nor the AG- nor the Congress (not even one)- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court questioned it :???:

Are they all in a conspiracy together- or are you just a bunch of fearmongering wingnuts :???: :wink: :p :lol: :lol:

Obama never showed his and you know that damn well. When you make up stories to back your position, that ought to tell you something.

You still haven't explained to me or given an answer to why if this is a true legit issue- nobody in Leadership of the opposing party- nor the President- nor the VP- nor the AG- nor the Congress (not even one)- nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court questioned it :???:

Probably because right or wrong, whatever politician brought down the first black man would most likely be dead politically and possibly literally! The Riots would be enormous and the Blacks would say the where railroaded. It would cause civil unrest in this country like no other thing has. Cities would burn and people would die. Not because Obama lied but because to many blacks think like Rev Wright. White politicians are not idiots, they know what the results would be if they brought Obama down.

That being said I have no idea if he was born here, but it sure is suspicious. But I do know what problems it would cause if he was outed as not being born here, and I know not one politician wants to be the bearer of that news.
 
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WELCOME CHANGE

Lobbying Rules Surpass Those of Previous Presidents, Experts Say


By Dan Eggen and R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, January 22, 2009; Page A04

New lobbying and records rules issued by President Obama yesterday appear to go beyond changes implemented by previous presidents, and could usher in an era of openness in federal government, according to ethics experts and open-government advocates.

In two executive orders and three presidential directives, Obama laid out stringent lobbying limits that will bar any appointees from seeking lobbying jobs while he is president and will ban gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the administration. He also ordered agencies to presume that records should be publicly released unless there are compelling reasons not to do so, and he loosened restrictions on the release of records related to former presidents and vice presidents.

Open-government advocates described the moves as a sharp departure from the policies of former president George W. Bush and former vice president Richard B. Cheney, who sought to shield details about White House inner workings from public view and imposed public records restrictions.


Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, said the lobbying restriction "constitutes a major step in setting a new tone and attitude for Washington that challenges the lobbyist, special interest culture."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103472.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter
 

badaxemoo

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aplusmnt said:
Probably because right or wrong, whatever politician brought down the first black man would most likely be dead politically and possibly literally! The Riots would be enormous and the Blacks would say the where railroaded. It would cause civil unrest in this country like no other thing has. Cities would burn and people would die. Not because Obama lied but because to many blacks think like Rev Wright. White politicians are not idiots, they know what the results would be if they brought Obama down.

That being said I have no idea if he was born here, but it sure is suspicious. But I do know what problems it would cause if he was outed as not being born here, and I know not one politician wants to be the bearer of that news.

You are so right.

When will all the oppressed white people rise up and throw off the chains put on us by our black oppressors?

Will you lead us to the promised land, aplusmt?
 
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