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on the topic of Abortion

okfarmer

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Sir Loin said:
First let me say this “PERSONALLY” I am against abortion but “POLITICALLY” I don’t think any government should be involved in a woman choice to have an abortion.
IMO, this issue is best left up to the people and not handed over to any government.
The only problem I see here is that those woman chose the wrong doctor and/or the government over sit of this doctor failed.
I think the government is just as much at fault as the doctor.

I think there are far better ways to handle abortion then to turn it over to any government.
Fact: You will never stop all abortions no matter what any government does. The best you will ever do is to reduce the number down to an acceptable level.
What would be an acceptable level for you?
SL


Question for you SL and Alzheimer,

What role does the judicial, legislative and executive branches play in the instance of murder? If my spouse is cheating on me, why should I not be able to murder her?

Why does a child born in the OB floor of a hospital 16 weeks early have rights, but one that is born at the same age in a back alley clinic not?



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okfarmer

Well-known member
True! But sperm are alive also. Haven’t you seen those little buggers swimming around when you have a bull tested?

SL,

Am I quoting you incorrectly, or missing something? You said you would reply if you were quoted and addressed..... :?

I would love to see evidence sperm cells on their own can multiply. Do you have a link?
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
And come on, basic philosophy.... On what do you base your life decisions? your morals. Where do you get your morals? from your religious perspective.

Why is Iran's government based on Sharia law?


You may wish real hard that Christianity is not part of the back bone of America, but sorry- it is. Without it, there would be no America.


SL, Here is another one for you.

Logically prove to me why murder is wrong if there is no God.
 

Steve

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I have always found it interesting that when a "pro-choice" person wants to argue the liberal point of view, they often push the life beginning part as far as they feel it could go...

be it to the sperm, or frozen embryos...

in faith we often feel it is GOD's decision and our GOD's word is that he knew us in creation.

and that is why I am pro-life...


but in our secular world we are confronted to prove to non-believers and those who want us to give in to their view of choice..

so looking at it scientific, life is in the cell,,, it is alive,.. conception occurs when the sperm and egg join and attach themselves,

then we are left with terms such as viable and breaths on their own..

which leaves US where the politics steps in... we have seen the clinic of horrors.. and sadly it wasn't just a single case. so having the government turn a blind eye hasn't worked...

so where should the line be drawn... politically... for me..personally responsibility is where our efforts and money should be focused.. (long before conception)...

which means cheap easy access to birth control methods,





But what about those who have come to depend on the government to provide easy access to safe abortions?

and the reason I say safe is that the legal abortion clinic was no better the the back-ally abortions the liberals often use as an excuse to slam government intrusion on abortions..

so pro-choicers.. do we need the abortion clinic regulated an safe for those dependent on the government for them or should this clinic be re-opened and the doctor pardoned?

the question of life can't be answered for the liberals hellbent on making abortions easy... so now we must decide on how to handle those who can't take personal responsibility and who depend on the government to provide them safe abortions..

Who is going to deal with them.. the liberal house of horrors.. or government intrusion?
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve, non believers are believers in the heart and emotion, but they still think that killing something with a heart beat is okay :???: :?

People like OT believe that it is okay for the mother to decide to kill another human with a heart beat.....what's up with that?


from beethoven's post from the other day:

A man attacks a pregnant woman in the street for her purse. During the attack, he stabs her in the stomach, killing the unborn baby. How should the law treat this situation? Should the attacker be tried for the murder of the baby or just the assault of the woman?

http://advancedriskology.com/hypocrisy/
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Martin Jr. said:
Sperm and eggs are alive, but cannot sustain life or grow except when united, so can not truly be called life.

And if we talk about Justice, where is the justice for the unborn child? To have the right to kill an unborn child is not a 'Right,' but license to kill.
The Supreme court decision to support abortion was an unjust decision, and not a true law.

Abortion was not proposed to help women, it was to relieve men of their obligations, and to hide their sins. Most women do not choose abortion, but are talked into it by boy friends (and parents) who do not want the obligation.
Organizations like the National Organization of Women have no idea of justice or of democracy.


Martin, not sure about that......wasn't it first used for prostitutes/concubines that were employed by the royals?

I guess you could consider this "to hide the sins of the men", but wasn't it also to hide the sins of the women?


and then in more modern times, it was used as a "tool" to get rid of the "undesirables", and that is where Margaret Sanger came in.....
 

Steve

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so looking at it scientifically, life is in the cell,,, it is alive,.. conception occurs when the sperm and egg join and attach themselves,

then we are left with terms such as viable and breaths on their own..

which leaves US where the politics steps in... we have seen the clinic of horrors.. and sadly it wasn't just a single case. so having the government turn a blind eye hasn't worked...

so where should the line be drawn... politically...


But what about those who have come to depend on the government to provide easy access to safe abortions?

and the reason I say safe is that the legal abortion clinic was no better the the back-ally abortions the liberals often use as an excuse to slam government intrusion on abortions..

so pro-choicers.. do we need the abortion clinic regulated an safe for those dependent on the government for them or should this clinic be re-opened and the doctor pardoned?

the question of life can't be answered for the liberals hellbent on making abortions easy... so now we must decide on how to handle those who can't take personal responsibility and who depend on the government to provide them safe abortions..

Who is going to deal with them.. the liberal house of horrors.. or government intrusion?

wow.. no pro abortion people can decide what to do with the people dependent on the government for safe abortions?

with no regulations abortions have went from the back ally to the sleazy building on the corner..

I guess we just leave them to the local shop of horrors and tell the government agencies the coffee break ain't over... :? :???:
 
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