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CattleArmy

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Ok here goes.............

Obama plans to fight to strengthen the current Medicaid program. I support this measure. Every child in the US deserves health care.

His HIV ideas that involve spending a billion in other countries I do not agree with. In my opinion we need to hit this hard at home before concerning ourselves and resources with other countries.

Healthcare:

“We now face an opportunity — and an obligation — to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday's health care debates… My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less. If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”

— Barack Obama, Speech in Iowa City, IA, May 29, 2007

I like the sounds of that. I realize we may be taxed more but someone has got to get a lid put on the costs of medical treatment in this fine country of ours. It is a shame when people cannot obtain or switch health insurance companies do to preecisting conditions. We as a country and as people cannot be bankrupted due to health care, a need.



Personal issues: I think Obama's wife isn't the best choice to represent our country but he and McCain are tied on that issue.

I'm continuing searching for issues on Obama I plan to do some searching on his preacher and just where he stands with all that.
 

Mike

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I'm continuing searching for issues on Obama I plan to do some searching on his preacher and just where he stands with all that

Please spare us the details. If you don't know where he stands on that by now, you will never. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Obama has not explained how much is plan will cost, where the money will come from, or how he will attack the REAL problem, which is the cost regardless of who pays it.

I'd also like to know how it makes any sense that citizens who can't afford to pay for health care directly but they will be able to after straining their money through another inefficient government beaurocracy.

Finally, why would we put the same people who have ran up a 7 trillion dollar debt and totally mismanaged social security in charge of ANYTHING else? Can you offer a single project that the government has managed well?

Obama's talking big, but it's just lip flapping that makes no sense. He just as well be promising to end world hunger by growing manna on the moon.
 

backhoeboogie

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Sandhusker said:
Obama's talking big, but it's just lip flapping that makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. He's got much of the American public hookwinked. Just read this forum.

How many states are there in the 50 states? :D :D
 

CattleArmy

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Mike said:
I'm continuing searching for issues on Obama I plan to do some searching on his preacher and just where he stands with all that

Please spare us the details. If you don't know where he stands on that by now, you will never. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you don't want the details then don't read where I've posted. :p
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker said:
Obama has not explained how much is plan will cost, where the money will come from, or how he will attack the REAL problem, which is the cost regardless of who pays it.

I'd also like to know how it makes any sense that citizens who can't afford to pay for health care directly but they will be able to after straining their money through another inefficient government beaurocracy.

Finally, why would we put the same people who have ran up a 7 trillion dollar debt and totally mismanaged social security in charge of ANYTHING else? Can you offer a single project that the government has managed well?

Obama's talking big, but it's just lip flapping that makes no sense. He just as well be promising to end world hunger by growing manna on the moon.

Sandhusker you present some valid points about where is the money going to come from.
 

fff

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CattleArmy said:
Sandhusker said:
Obama has not explained how much is plan will cost, where the money will come from, or how he will attack the REAL problem, which is the cost regardless of who pays it.

I'd also like to know how it makes any sense that citizens who can't afford to pay for health care directly but they will be able to after straining their money through another inefficient government beaurocracy.

Finally, why would we put the same people who have ran up a 7 trillion dollar debt and totally mismanaged social security in charge of ANYTHING else? Can you offer a single project that the government has managed well?

Obama's talking big, but it's just lip flapping that makes no sense. He just as well be promising to end world hunger by growing manna on the moon.

Sandhusker you present some valid points about where is the money going to come from.

It's coming from the same place we're paying for our wars: we'll borrow it. Our Federal deficit will grow even more over the next few years. We're going to have to come up with money for medical care for our vets. They speculate as many as 200 banks will fail within the next few years. Most of them are FDIC insured. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are going to cost billions, did I see $50 Billion sonewhere? Wachovia just laid off over 6,000 people, GM, Ford, other large companies laying off right and left. We'll be looking at more unemployment payments for longer periods of time until the economy starts to turn around. But at least the money will be spent to benefit people here in this country, not put in the pockets of foreign politicans and politically connected contractors.
 
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Anonymous

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The AMA (American Medical Assn) says their research has shown that with health care reform- and a program offering the availability of access to health insurance to everyone- the early diagnosis and treatment of diseases will save enough to pay for the program- plus save the taxpayers Billions $.....
 

COIN

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It would be interesting to hear some of the Canadians' views on this point. Most of the ones I have talked to would disagree with ability of socialist health care system increasing the health and welfare such as Oldtimer suggested.

I just hope it doesn't follow similar principles as Hilary Clinton suggested. It would reek havoc.
 
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Anonymous

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This may just be regional- but because of the huge number of court cases I see filed- thats risen 200% in the past 10 years- where the hospitals/health care providers are trying to recover medical bills I'd have to say the 40+% uninsured or underinsured fits better....

And the sad thing is that so many of them are just the young people- some times caught between the time they left college and the time they became eligible for insurance thru their employment (many have a 6 month or year waiting period)-- and end up starting out life with not only a large college education bill, but a $ 60-70 thousand judgement for emergency or unseen medical bills...

And then there are many (migrants, illegals, etc) that never get paid back- that you and I pay for by increased medical/hospital costs and increased insurance rates....
 

backhoeboogie

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OT, malpractice insurance is what is driving many doctors out of private practice, and driving up costs. Talk to any doctor friend you may have and see what they are paying.

I know some "young people" you speak of. Some do great. Others have several toys and can't afford anything else, including insurance. The one family crying the loudest has two car payments, a 4 wheeler and ski rig. The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids.

I am perfectly fine with the policies I have except I wish my dental was a bit better. I don't know why I have to pay more taxes because people buy toys instead of insurance.

We should feed children and give them healthcare. I don't have a problem with that.
 
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backhoeboogie said:
OT, malpractice insurance is what is driving many doctors out of private practice, and driving up costs. Talk to any doctor friend you may have and see what they are paying.

I know some "young people" you speak of. Some do great. Others have several toys and can't afford anything else, including insurance. The one family crying the loudest has two car payments, a 4 wheeler and ski rig. The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids.

I am perfectly fine with the policies I have except I wish my dental was a bit better. I don't know why I have to pay more taxes because people buy toys instead of insurance.

We should feed children and give them healthcare. I don't have a problem with that.

But Backhoe- You don't get it-- YOU and I are paying for those kids toys- and their lack of responsibility....Because most don't have the money to pay- so default on the bill- which the hospitals/doctors write off- and just increase the cost of the next exam to YOU and I- and OUR insurance companies- which then raise YOURS and MY insurance rates...
We pay for them not being insured....And since they don't have insurance they don't get the checkups as they should- end up not catching the disease until its advanced to the point it takes major treatment-(which the hospitals have to do) and YOU and I again pay for it....

Its an ever upward spiralling Catch 22.....

I'll agree malpractice insurance is a large part of the problem- and many unnecessary exams are done to avoid malpractice suits... In his campaign GW promised to handle that...But it was another of his promises he forgot the minute he got in office- and the only tort reform he brought up and pushed thru was to make it easier for the big banks to get their money ahead of all other creditors during bankruptcies... More Capitalism for the Poor- Socialism for the Rich...

Thats why it will take major health care reform-- but part of that reform has to be affordable health care coverage for all- no matter their medical history...
 

Mike

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Because most don't have the money to pay- so default on the bill- which the hospitals/doctors write off

I don't know about up there, but here the hospitals garnish the wages of people who don't have health care everyday.

If the government would step out of the picture and not guarantee that every patient would get emergency care treatment, regardless of whether they have insurance or not, maybe some of those with a runny nose would quit running to the emergency room.

These folks may even find the need to pay for health care! :???: :lol: :roll:
 

CattleArmy

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I will agree there are people that abuse free health care such as medicade and run to the hospital when not needed. I've witnessed it having worked in a hospital. But, here's the thing there are people who need it and don't abuse it. So I guess I'd rather have some go along for a ride they don't need then to deny someone in need the system to use.
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
Obama has not explained how much is plan will cost, where the money will come from, or how he will attack the REAL problem, which is the cost regardless of who pays it.

I'd also like to know how it makes any sense that citizens who can't afford to pay for health care directly but they will be able to after straining their money through another inefficient government beaurocracy.

Finally, why would we put the same people who have ran up a 7 trillion dollar debt and totally mismanaged social security in charge of ANYTHING else? Can you offer a single project that the government has managed well?

Obama's talking big, but it's just lip flapping that makes no sense. He just as well be promising to end world hunger by growing manna on the moon.

Ask yourself whats more important...building up Iraq or fixing the way people in your country struggle with high cost of health care....Just the money spent on handling the different amount of papper work will drastically drop money spent in doctors offices and hospitals...Also You all talk like it would be free ,no it would be affordable .,that is alot different then free...

Take away money from prisons and use the money that is confisacted during a crime to pay for the prisons needs...taxes from lotto's go towards medical payment....tax ciggeretts and alchol another 3% strickly as a health tax as it directly affects health cost(in many cases)..Tax fast food resturantes for the same reason....Put money into school progams to promote healthy living..charge user fees for chiropractors and massage therapists after a certian number of visits is reached....Charge people a daily food bill for what they eat eachday in the hospital...Charge a fuel/maintainece tax for ambulance service...The money can come from a combination of ways..It again is not Free it is Affordable .........


PS.one thing I do not understand is how many of the folks here have no problem with goverment controled spending on protection from outside sorces,yet shutter at the thought of the same goverment looking after their health and well being....It makes no sense to me....
 

backhoeboogie

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CattleArmy said:
So I guess I'd rather have some go along for a ride they don't need then to deny someone in need the system to use.

There are too many doing it. That's the problem.

OT said some things above I agree with and I can agree with most of what you said CattleArmy.

I don't have the solutions and I don't support socialized health care. But if it made some folks more responsible, so be it. That is the only positive I see to the social part.

Nonothing, the only way I would support your positions is if there was a straight tax levied. That straight tax against everything purchased would be earmarked for healthcare and nothing else with no one else getting access to it.

SSI taxes got spent on pork barrel garbage amongst other things.

Nuke plants have been paying 10 million per year, per unit for over 30 years for a repository and there's no money to build it. Over the last 30 years we have had both dem and rep leadership. There should be billions available for the repository. Where did it go?

I have a laundry list of other things. You have all seen it.
 

fff

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backhoeboogie said:
CattleArmy said:
So I guess I'd rather have some go along for a ride they don't need then to deny someone in need the system to use.

There are too many doing it. That's the problem.

OT said some things above I agree with and I can agree with most of what you said CattleArmy.

I don't have the solutions and I don't support socialized health care. But if it made some folks more responsible, so be it. That is the only positive I see to the social part.

Nonothing, the only way I would support your positions is if there was a straight tax levied. That straight tax against everything purchased would be earmarked for healthcare and nothing else with no one else getting access to it.

SSI taxes got spent on pork barrel garbage amongst other things.

Nuke plants have been paying 10 million per year, per unit for over 30 years for a repository and there's no money to build it. Over the last 30 years we have had both dem and rep leadership. There should be billions available for the repository. Where did it go?

I have a laundry list of other things. You have all seen it.

There is money to build a repository. They just can't decide where:

The charge, which is passed on to consumers, is one-tenth of one cent per kilowatt hour of electricity. Since 1983, charge revenues have built a fund that today contains $21 billion, the total after the department spent $9 billion.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/25498919.html

Personally, I think nuclear power may have a place to play in our energy supply, but these people have some pretty good arguments why that's not likely:

http://www.worldbusiness.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Powerpoints/NuclearABA.ppt
 
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