RSL said:If I tell you I'll be labelled good or bad.
He's a Right time x 600U on the top side and a TNT Shocker x Zima on the bottom.
You can guess where I got him from...
I'd like to hear the guesses... :lol:Grassfarmer said:RSL said:If I tell you I'll be labelled good or bad.
He's a Right time x 600U on the top side and a TNT Shocker x Zima on the bottom.
You can guess where I got him from...
Who would label you good or bad? :wink: I can guess where you got him.
Grassfarmer said:I hope you have more luck buying from that program than we did. I bought a "maternal genetics" yearling there once - gave him 20 cows to breed and 4 were open. My other yearling bull also got 20 that year and they were all bred. Used him lightly the second year because I didn't trust him and didn't like the way he was growing (made a frame score 7 bull as 3 year old) Before breeding in year 3 he stifled himself and was worthless because it was the first year of BSE and no market. A replacement (charolais) they loaned me that summer never left me a calf either. The few daughters I got off the maternal bull are the biggest, highest maintenance cows I have and they can't live on our system.
Maybe just bad luck but with luck like that you're not inclined to go back. Nice enough folks to deal with though. Your bull looks very good - hope he performs well for you.
leanin' H said:Grassfarmer said:I hope you have more luck buying from that program than we did. I bought a "maternal genetics" yearling there once - gave him 20 cows to breed and 4 were open. My other yearling bull also got 20 that year and they were all bred. Used him lightly the second year because I didn't trust him and didn't like the way he was growing (made a frame score 7 bull as 3 year old) Before breeding in year 3 he stifled himself and was worthless because it was the first year of BSE and no market. A replacement (charolais) they loaned me that summer never left me a calf either. The few daughters I got off the maternal bull are the biggest, highest maintenance cows I have and they can't live on our system.
Maybe just bad luck but with luck like that you're not inclined to go back. Nice enough folks to deal with though. Your bull looks very good - hope he performs well for you.
Clarify something for me grassfarmer..... Who loaned you the replacement bull and for which bull was the replacment sent? Just curious. :wink:
leanin' H said:Well just to stir the pot...... An outfit you bought a bull from as a yearling loaned you a replacement two years later and that isnt the best customer service in the world? :shock: A replacement during the first breeding season is the standard. ANYTHING after that would be so far above and beyond great customer service I would think you would have ZERO complaints. The yearling bull covered 80% of the cattle he had to breed. 4 heifers didnt catch. Was it their fault or the bull's? :???: And then you state the bull grew into something bigger than you would like. Did you pick him out sight unseen? Did you research the cow family? Did you look at full brothers? What did his sire look like? A three year garauntee just doesnt happen. For you to be sideways with that bull producer is simply unrealistic in my opinion. And you then state you were being overly generous for working with a guy who bought your bull only one year later? :shock: I politely disagree. First off, why garuantee anything more that the first breeding season? If a bull is hit by a train it would be the buyer's issue. If the bull was sound when he left, covered cows the first season and then comes up lame or lump jaw it would be the buyers issue. As far as price difference, were you forced to pay more for a yearling? I'll bet you chose to pay for the bull freely. Nobody owes you anything! To say otherwise is simply unrealistic. For you to give anything but the highest marks to that producer is very poor form to me and I think you are better than that!Just to stir the pot! :wink: