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One week to go, time to remind people.

Tam

Well-known member
In this last week of campaigning Please make sure everyone you know that plans on voting in Montana is asked these questions.

Since Montana is one of the top ten beef producing States would you vote for a guy that was quoted in a North Dakota Paper as saying this?
"If there is a positive case again in the U.S., we as a beef producing nation, shouldn't market beef in cattle older that 20 months".

Do you want a ex Calfornia lawyer that wasted millions of dollars of other peoples money to sue the USDA for something even he realized had a 99% chance of failure in the courts?

Would you vote for a guy that founded a Organization that when lawsuits didn't work decided to stand with Animal Activists and claimed
Beef coming from a country affected by BSE presents a genuine risk of death

Do you really want a lawyer/rancher that is willing to destroy his own industry's consumer confidence in a court of law and court of public opinion, in Washington DC so he can further his dangerous agenda?

Please explain to them that if they vote for Democrat Dennis McDonald that is exactly what they will be doing. Steps need to be taken to see to it that Mr. McDonald is not elected in Montana.
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Tam Wrote:
Steps need to be taken to see to it that Mr. McDonald is not elected in Montana.

I don't thinke is much danger of that happening. I predict Rehberg by double didgits!

Tam- have you checked out Nels Swandal for MT supreme court?
he sure seems like the way to go for me.
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Tam Wrote:
Steps need to be taken to see to it that Mr. McDonald is not elected in Montana.

I don't thinke is much danger of that happening. I predict Rehberg by double didgits!

Tam- have you checked out Nels Swandal for MT supreme court?
he sure seems like the way to go for me.

Two former Attorney Generals that have worked with her - have endorsed Beth Baker-- one an (R) former Governor Marc Racicot and one a (D) Joe Mazurek-- and by the former Chief Prosecuter of the AGs office John Conner-- besides her being endorsed by Law Enforcement groups and County Prosecuters, Defense Attorneys, and Legislators from both parties....

Several from both parties and the courts have came out chastising Swandel for trying to politicize what is not a political position...

Baker exemplifies ideal nonpartisan candidate
By Editorial Board
Billings Gazette
October 06, 2010

"Voters who want to continue the Montana tradition of an independent, nonpartisan judiciary will find that Baker is the best choice in the Nov. 2 election."

In this divisive election season, one Montana candidate for statewide public office has remarkable bipartisan support.

Beth Baker of Helena, who is running for the nonpartisan office of Supreme Court justice, was hired by Republican Marc Racicot soon after he was elected Montana attorney general. After Racicot moved to the governor’s office, his successor as attorney general, Democrat Joe Mazurek, reappointed Baker. Both Racicot and Mazurek relied on Baker as their chief legislative liaison — their daily contact with state lawmakers. When the Montana Legislature was in session, Baker was there virtually every day, answering questions, providing information, advocating for Department of Justice bills.

Baker’s work earned her the respect of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, as evidenced by a letter supporting her candidacy recently signed by nine former Republican lawmakers and nine former Democratic lawmakers from across the state. Organizations as diverse as the Montana Chamber of Commerce and labor unions have endorsed Baker.

Montana has a tradition of an independent, nonpartisan judiciary. Justices of the peace, city judges, district judges and Montana Supreme Court justices are elected on a “nonpartisan judicial ballot.” Under Montana law, candidates for nonpartisan offices aren’t permitted to declare a party affiliation when they file for office. Political parties are barred from contributing to, endorsing or making an expenditure to support or oppose a judicial candidate. Justices and judges are forbidden by law to hold an office in a political party.

Baker worked for 12 years in the Montana attorney general’s office. For the past 10 years, she has practiced law in a Helena firm where she now is managing partner. As a private attorney, she earned recognition for providing substantial amounts of pro bono assistance to indigent Montanans through Legal Services of Montana. Baker is licensed to practice in Montana courts as well as U.S. district, appeals and supreme courts. She has been involved in appeals to all of those courts. Baker has a keen understanding of the differences between trial and appeals courts, having worked extensively with both levels of the justice system.

Baker believes in “exercising restrain in opinions” and in “consistent decisions.” She will “make sure the court sticks to its role in our government to resolve disputes, but not jump into disputes when it’s not necessary to protect the substantive rights of the parties.”

As a deputy attorney general and a lawyer in private practice, she gained understanding of the difficulties that result when there is “conflicting guidance” from the Supreme Court. She understands the problems that result from uncertainty about the law.

As she told The Gazette editorial board, Baker has “a real-world understanding of how court decisions impact people in their lives and business.”

The Supreme Court has made progress in the past two years after a backlog of cases became a major concern. However, keeping up with the work of the court will be a continuing challenge for Montana’s sole appellate court, which issues 500 opinions annually. Smart, thorough and efficient, Baker is up to that task.

“We have the greatest system of government in the world,” Baker said. “It functions best when each branch of government understands its constitutional role. It’s critical that judges remain independent.”

We agree. Baker’s opponent, District Judge Nels Swandal of Wilsall, has campaigned as a conservative Republican and declined to participate in interviews with Montana labor and conservation groups. He told the editorial board that that he didn’t want those groups’ endorsements because he doesn’t agree with their views. Although Swandal told the editorial board that he leaves politics out of his court decisions, his courting of partisan support certainly raises concerns about the appearance of bias.

Voters who want to continue the Montana tradition of an independent, nonpartisan judiciary will find that Baker is the best choice in the Nov. 2 election.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Tam Wrote:
Steps need to be taken to see to it that Mr. McDonald is not elected in Montana.

I don't thinke is much danger of that happening. I predict Rehberg by double didgits!

Tam- have you checked out Nels Swandal for MT supreme court?
he sure seems like the way to go for me.

Two former Attorney Generals that have worked with her - have endorsed Beth Baker-- one an (R) former Governor Marc Racicot and one a (D) Joe Mazurek-- and by the former Chief Prosecuter of the AGs office John Conner-- besides her being endorsed by Law Enforcement groups and County Prosecuters, Defense Attorneys, and Legislators from both parties....

Several from both parties and the courts have came out chastising Swandel for trying to politicize what is not a political position...

Baker exemplifies ideal nonpartisan candidate
By Editorial Board
Billings Gazette
October 06, 2010

"Voters who want to continue the Montana tradition of an independent, nonpartisan judiciary will find that Baker is the best choice in the Nov. 2 election."

In this divisive election season, one Montana candidate for statewide public office has remarkable bipartisan support.

Beth Baker of Helena, who is running for the nonpartisan office of Supreme Court justice, was hired by Republican Marc Racicot soon after he was elected Montana attorney general. After Racicot moved to the governor’s office, his successor as attorney general, Democrat Joe Mazurek, reappointed Baker. Both Racicot and Mazurek relied on Baker as their chief legislative liaison — their daily contact with state lawmakers. When the Montana Legislature was in session, Baker was there virtually every day, answering questions, providing information, advocating for Department of Justice bills.

Baker’s work earned her the respect of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, as evidenced by a letter supporting her candidacy recently signed by nine former Republican lawmakers and nine former Democratic lawmakers from across the state. Organizations as diverse as the Montana Chamber of Commerce and labor unions have endorsed Baker.

Montana has a tradition of an independent, nonpartisan judiciary. Justices of the peace, city judges, district judges and Montana Supreme Court justices are elected on a “nonpartisan judicial ballot.” Under Montana law, candidates for nonpartisan offices aren’t permitted to declare a party affiliation when they file for office. Political parties are barred from contributing to, endorsing or making an expenditure to support or oppose a judicial candidate. Justices and judges are forbidden by law to hold an office in a political party.

Baker worked for 12 years in the Montana attorney general’s office. For the past 10 years, she has practiced law in a Helena firm where she now is managing partner. As a private attorney, she earned recognition for providing substantial amounts of pro bono assistance to indigent Montanans through Legal Services of Montana. Baker is licensed to practice in Montana courts as well as U.S. district, appeals and supreme courts. She has been involved in appeals to all of those courts. Baker has a keen understanding of the differences between trial and appeals courts, having worked extensively with both levels of the justice system.

Baker believes in “exercising restrain in opinions” and in “consistent decisions.” She will “make sure the court sticks to its role in our government to resolve disputes, but not jump into disputes when it’s not necessary to protect the substantive rights of the parties.”

As a deputy attorney general and a lawyer in private practice, she gained understanding of the difficulties that result when there is “conflicting guidance” from the Supreme Court. She understands the problems that result from uncertainty about the law.

As she told The Gazette editorial board, Baker has “a real-world understanding of how court decisions impact people in their lives and business.”

The Supreme Court has made progress in the past two years after a backlog of cases became a major concern. However, keeping up with the work of the court will be a continuing challenge for Montana’s sole appellate court, which issues 500 opinions annually. Smart, thorough and efficient, Baker is up to that task.

“We have the greatest system of government in the world,” Baker said. “It functions best when each branch of government understands its constitutional role. It’s critical that judges remain independent.”

We agree. Baker’s opponent, District Judge Nels Swandal of Wilsall, has campaigned as a conservative Republican and declined to participate in interviews with Montana labor and conservation groups. He told the editorial board that that he didn’t want those groups’ endorsements because he doesn’t agree with their views. Although Swandal told the editorial board that he leaves politics out of his court decisions, his courting of partisan support certainly raises concerns about the appearance of bias.

Voters who want to continue the Montana tradition of an independent, nonpartisan judiciary will find that Baker is the best choice in the Nov. 2 election.

That is no claim to fame oldtimer, you probably have buddied up with them prosecutors and they like you or claim to! definably not a good recommendation, even worse if you are supporting Baker!, a very good reason in itself to vote against Baker EH????
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
I didn't see anything political from Swandal?
he even admitted to being from Norwegian ansestry!
seems to have plenty of experience.
I've met him- seems to be the real deal to me so far!

An Experienced Judge for Montana Supreme Court
Judge Wm. Nels Swandal is a third generation Montanan, born and raised in the same valley his grandparents settled when they emigrated from Norway 100 years ago. He graduated from Wilsall High School in 1971, Montana State University in 1975, and the University of Montana School of Law in 1978. He and his wife, Debra, and their three children moved from Livingston back to his family ranch in 1994, where he and Debra still reside after 30 years of marriage.
For the past 16 years, Judge Swandal has been the District Court Judge for Montana's 6th Judicial District. In 2008, Judge Swandal retired from the United States Army after 30 years of service to our country. During that time, Judge Swandal was on active duty from 1978-1981, followed by the U.S. Army Reserves until 1988 when he became a member of the Montana Army National Guard. Judge Swandal retired as a Colonel and the State Staff Judge Advocate for the State of Montana. He worked as the Park County Attorney 1983-1994. Prior to that, Judge Swandal worked with his mother at the law firm of Swandal, Douglass & Swandal and as the Park County Public Defender.

Judge Swandal is currently the President of the Montana Judges Association. He has formerly served as the President of the Montana County Attorney Association, in addition to chairing the Southwest Montana Chemical Dependency Center and Youth Dynamics. He has also chaired the Gateway Hospice Advisory Board, and served on the Board of Trustees for Livingston Memorial Hospital. He is a member of the Montana Bar Association, Montana National Guard Association, and National Guard Association of the United States. He has also been active in Big Brothers Big Sisters. In 2009, Judge Swandal was named CASA Judge of the Year. He has also received the Army Commendation Medal as well as the Legion of Merit.

Lots more info- news articles, endorsements etc.
http://swandalforjustice.com/about.html
 
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Guest
Lonecowboy said:
I didn't see anything political from Swandal?
he even admitted to being from Norwegian ansestry!
seems to have plenty of experience.
I've met him- seems to be the real deal to me so far!

An Experienced Judge for Montana Supreme Court
Judge Wm. Nels Swandal is a third generation Montanan, born and raised in the same valley his grandparents settled when they emigrated from Norway 100 years ago. He graduated from Wilsall High School in 1971, Montana State University in 1975, and the University of Montana School of Law in 1978. He and his wife, Debra, and their three children moved from Livingston back to his family ranch in 1994, where he and Debra still reside after 30 years of marriage.
For the past 16 years, Judge Swandal has been the District Court Judge for Montana's 6th Judicial District. In 2008, Judge Swandal retired from the United States Army after 30 years of service to our country. During that time, Judge Swandal was on active duty from 1978-1981, followed by the U.S. Army Reserves until 1988 when he became a member of the Montana Army National Guard. Judge Swandal retired as a Colonel and the State Staff Judge Advocate for the State of Montana. He worked as the Park County Attorney 1983-1994. Prior to that, Judge Swandal worked with his mother at the law firm of Swandal, Douglass & Swandal and as the Park County Public Defender.

Judge Swandal is currently the President of the Montana Judges Association. He has formerly served as the President of the Montana County Attorney Association, in addition to chairing the Southwest Montana Chemical Dependency Center and Youth Dynamics. He has also chaired the Gateway Hospice Advisory Board, and served on the Board of Trustees for Livingston Memorial Hospital. He is a member of the Montana Bar Association, Montana National Guard Association, and National Guard Association of the United States. He has also been active in Big Brothers Big Sisters. In 2009, Judge Swandal was named CASA Judge of the Year. He has also received the Army Commendation Medal as well as the Legion of Merit.

Lots more info- news articles, endorsements etc.
http://swandalforjustice.com/about.html

District Judge Nels Swandal of Wilsall, has campaigned as a conservative Republican

He's been outright running as a Republican- even including it in his ads until he got chastised by the courts/bar/public about it....

That politicization of the Justice position appears to be one thing that led up to Racicot's endorsement- who knows the importance of keeping the Supreme Court nonpartisan...
He has NO endorsement or backing except for some of his crony Judges- who I'm sure are hoping the cronyism can keep some of their rulings from being overturned...

Lady Justice is supposed to be blind to such matters with the scales of justice evenly weighted on a level playing field from the start-- but that will be gone if a Justice is going to run as a political candidate .... :(
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
I didn't see anything political from Swandal?
he even admitted to being from Norwegian ansestry!
seems to have plenty of experience.
I've met him- seems to be the real deal to me so far!

An Experienced Judge for Montana Supreme Court
Judge Wm. Nels Swandal is a third generation Montanan, born and raised in the same valley his grandparents settled when they emigrated from Norway 100 years ago. He graduated from Wilsall High School in 1971, Montana State University in 1975, and the University of Montana School of Law in 1978. He and his wife, Debra, and their three children moved from Livingston back to his family ranch in 1994, where he and Debra still reside after 30 years of marriage.
For the past 16 years, Judge Swandal has been the District Court Judge for Montana's 6th Judicial District. In 2008, Judge Swandal retired from the United States Army after 30 years of service to our country. During that time, Judge Swandal was on active duty from 1978-1981, followed by the U.S. Army Reserves until 1988 when he became a member of the Montana Army National Guard. Judge Swandal retired as a Colonel and the State Staff Judge Advocate for the State of Montana. He worked as the Park County Attorney 1983-1994. Prior to that, Judge Swandal worked with his mother at the law firm of Swandal, Douglass & Swandal and as the Park County Public Defender.

Judge Swandal is currently the President of the Montana Judges Association. He has formerly served as the President of the Montana County Attorney Association, in addition to chairing the Southwest Montana Chemical Dependency Center and Youth Dynamics. He has also chaired the Gateway Hospice Advisory Board, and served on the Board of Trustees for Livingston Memorial Hospital. He is a member of the Montana Bar Association, Montana National Guard Association, and National Guard Association of the United States. He has also been active in Big Brothers Big Sisters. In 2009, Judge Swandal was named CASA Judge of the Year. He has also received the Army Commendation Medal as well as the Legion of Merit.

Lots more info- news articles, endorsements etc.
http://swandalforjustice.com/about.html

District Judge Nels Swandal of Wilsall, has campaigned as a conservative Republican

He's been outright running as a Republican- even including it in his ads until he got chastised by the courts/bar/public about it....

That politicization of the Justice position appears to be one thing that led up to Racicot's endorsement- who knows the importance of keeping the Supreme Court nonpartisan...
He has NO endorsement or backing except for some of his crony Judges- who I'm sure are hoping the cronyism can keep some of their rulings from being overturned...

Lady Justice is supposed to be blind to such matters with the scales of justice evenly weighted on a level playing field from the start-- but that will be gone if a Justice is going to run as a political candidate .... :(

How else are they going to be elected? read your MT constitution they are elected by the people not appointed by a politician.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
I didn't see anything political from Swandal?
he even admitted to being from Norwegian ansestry!
seems to have plenty of experience.
I've met him- seems to be the real deal to me so far!

An Experienced Judge for Montana Supreme Court
Judge Wm. Nels Swandal is a third generation Montanan, born and raised in the same valley his grandparents settled when they emigrated from Norway 100 years ago. He graduated from Wilsall High School in 1971, Montana State University in 1975, and the University of Montana School of Law in 1978. He and his wife, Debra, and their three children moved from Livingston back to his family ranch in 1994, where he and Debra still reside after 30 years of marriage.
For the past 16 years, Judge Swandal has been the District Court Judge for Montana's 6th Judicial District. In 2008, Judge Swandal retired from the United States Army after 30 years of service to our country. During that time, Judge Swandal was on active duty from 1978-1981, followed by the U.S. Army Reserves until 1988 when he became a member of the Montana Army National Guard. Judge Swandal retired as a Colonel and the State Staff Judge Advocate for the State of Montana. He worked as the Park County Attorney 1983-1994. Prior to that, Judge Swandal worked with his mother at the law firm of Swandal, Douglass & Swandal and as the Park County Public Defender.

Judge Swandal is currently the President of the Montana Judges Association. He has formerly served as the President of the Montana County Attorney Association, in addition to chairing the Southwest Montana Chemical Dependency Center and Youth Dynamics. He has also chaired the Gateway Hospice Advisory Board, and served on the Board of Trustees for Livingston Memorial Hospital. He is a member of the Montana Bar Association, Montana National Guard Association, and National Guard Association of the United States. He has also been active in Big Brothers Big Sisters. In 2009, Judge Swandal was named CASA Judge of the Year. He has also received the Army Commendation Medal as well as the Legion of Merit.

Lots more info- news articles, endorsements etc.
http://swandalforjustice.com/about.html

District Judge Nels Swandal of Wilsall, has campaigned as a conservative Republican

He's been outright running as a Republican- even including it in his ads until he got chastised by the courts/bar/public about it....

That politicization of the Justice position appears to be one thing that led up to Racicot's endorsement- who knows the importance of keeping the Supreme Court nonpartisan...
He has NO endorsement or backing except for some of his crony Judges- who I'm sure are hoping the cronyism can keep some of their rulings from being overturned...

Lady Justice is supposed to be blind to such matters with the scales of justice evenly weighted on a level playing field from the start-- but that will be gone if a Justice is going to run as a political candidate .... :(

BULLPUCKY if a 3 dollar bill is phony you are way up the ladder to cronyism look at how you got the J.P job, even by your own admittance! :D :D

EVEN more of a reason to vote for him! you don't like him!!!!!!
Probably slapped your hands a few times.

EH??????????
 
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Guest
Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
I didn't see anything political from Swandal?
he even admitted to being from Norwegian ansestry!
seems to have plenty of experience.
I've met him- seems to be the real deal to me so far!



Lots more info- news articles, endorsements etc.
http://swandalforjustice.com/about.html

District Judge Nels Swandal of Wilsall, has campaigned as a conservative Republican

He's been outright running as a Republican- even including it in his ads until he got chastised by the courts/bar/public about it....

That politicization of the Justice position appears to be one thing that led up to Racicot's endorsement- who knows the importance of keeping the Supreme Court nonpartisan...
He has NO endorsement or backing except for some of his crony Judges- who I'm sure are hoping the cronyism can keep some of their rulings from being overturned...

Lady Justice is supposed to be blind to such matters with the scales of justice evenly weighted on a level playing field from the start-- but that will be gone if a Justice is going to run as a political candidate .... :(

How else are they going to be elected? read your MT constitution they are elected by the people not appointed by a politician.

In what has historically and designated NONPARTISAN elections...
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
well OT- we reported, it's up to Tam to decide!! :D


so ot, nothing good to say about Mcdonald??
yes yes you've already bashed Rehberg- anything good to say about McDonald?
 
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Lonecowboy said:
well OT- we reported, it's up to Tam to decide!! :D


so ot, nothing good to say about Mcdonald??
yes yes you've already bashed Rehberg- anything good to say about McDonald?

Nope--like I said before- whichever one wins that election-- Montana (and the country) loses...
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
well OT- we reported, it's up to Tam to decide!! :D


so ot, nothing good to say about Mcdonald??
yes yes you've already bashed Rehberg- anything good to say about McDonald?

Nope--like I said before- whichever one wins that election-- Montana (and the country) loses...

Now one thing I gotta say about Rehberg- he has been trying his darndest
to get some truth and transparency about obama's land grab up in your country. all that tester can do is lie lie lie about that. You can't be happy with that deal are you?
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
well OT- we reported, it's up to Tam to decide!! :D


so ot, nothing good to say about Mcdonald??
yes yes you've already bashed Rehberg- anything good to say about McDonald?

Nope--like I said before- whichever one wins that election-- Montana (and the country) loses...

Now one thing I gotta say about Rehberg- he has been trying his darndest
to get some truth and transparency about obama's land grab up in your country. all that tester can do is lie lie lie about that. You can't be happy with that deal are you?

I guess we won't know who is lying until IF it does happen.... Thing is- this is nothing new as it has been on the burner for 30 years...(Comically 30 years ago it was the ranchers arguing the pristiness of the area- and backing the enviro groups- when the Army proposed to put it into a Tank Training Range)...

Tester has done everything I could ask for- coming out against it- putting everyone (BLM/Interior Secretary/etal) on the spot and flat out asking what their intentions are under oath (which they have all claimed doesn't include any new proposals)....

The ones that disappointed me most on that situation was the Bush Administration/Congress who was presented with the final wilderness study years ago--but then did nothing to remove it from the status its been in and still is in (one of the reasons I voted for Bush, to go along with the Repub controlled Congress)... Leaves the entire area up for grabs- and leaves the management up to an ever changing BLM bureaucracy.....

A few years back- I had the opportunity to go into a proposed grazing assn when a large ranch sold out-- but most of it was in the initial wilderness study area- and after the Repubs hadn't acted or made any attempt to change the status on the land- I could see the handwriting on the wall for sometime in the future and thought it would be like putting money down a skunkhole...
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Tester has done everything I could ask for- coming out against it- putting everyone (BLM/Interior Secretary/etal) on the spot and flat out asking what their intentions are under oath (which they have all claimed doesn't include any new proposals)....

So the 2500 pages that they won't release doesn't bother you?
 

Mike

Well-known member
That BLM, land control BS is small potatoes compared to the many other things wrong with our current administration.

Funny how people are wrapped up in their own little world and overook the big things. :roll:
 
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Guest
Lonecowboy said:
Tester has done everything I could ask for- coming out against it- putting everyone (BLM/Interior Secretary/etal) on the spot and flat out asking what their intentions are under oath (which they have all claimed doesn't include any new proposals)....

So the 2500 pages that they won't release doesn't bother you?

I believe all the pages of the internal draft that resulted from those 2,000+ pages of notes, minutes, meeting records were released- and were admitted to in Malta by the BLM head to be his product and the Final Product....

And I believe the Cheney Energy Committee and the Dept of Interior/Energy set precedent when they said those working notes/meeting records/etal relating to the Final Product don't have to be released- and Congress refused to force them to- and allowed them covered under administrative immunity....

That was one of the biggest mistakes made by the Republican controlled Bush era rubberstamp Congress-- they failed to recognize that their lack of action set precedent-- and whats good for the goose is good for the gander...
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Mike said:
That BLM, land control BS is small potatoes compared to the many other things wrong with our current administration.

Funny how people are wrapped up in their own little world and overook the big things. :roll:


Mike-

We can't ALL fight every fight-
we ALL need to clean up our own backyards first.
That is why we have (or had if we are not careful) State Sovereignty.
It isn't that I'm overlooking the "big" things- It's I can't do anything about them. I can go a couple hundred miles to a meeting and protest and voice my opinion and rally- I can't take time off to travel to DC to protest something they won't listen to anyway.

By the way- this is way way more than blm land control- this is the taking of millions of acres of private property here. Using the Antiquity act the way clinton did in the last hour taking private property in the Missouri river breaks. Just on a way grander scale.
No one knows for sure what they are planning because they won't release all the papers. The ammount of resistance they are recieving has maybe made them pull their horns in a little on this.
I think they leaked a little info just to test the waters-
just to see what kind of a fight we would put up.
Can I help fight the feds trying to take private property from my neighbors- YOU- BETCHA!!!!!
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
And I believe the Cheney Energy Committee and the Dept of Interior/Energy set precedent when they said those working notes/meeting records/etal relating to the Final Product don't have to be released- and Congress refused to force them to- and allowed them covered under administrative immunity....

That was one of the biggest mistakes made by the Republican controlled Bush era rubberstamp Congress-- they failed to recognize that their lack of action set precedent-- and whats good for the goose is good for the gander...

You are right on this one OT- partisan politics has been a huge detriment to our Freedoms. We all need to stand together when something like this happens. People are waking up and saying "NO MORE"regardless of the politics. Are you willing to do the same?? tester has been trying to cover this up from the get go and you know it- but will you admit it??
and will you work to try and get someone else elected in 2012 when that seat is up? or will you continue to play partisan politics and say "what is good for the goose" etc. and watch more of our Freedoms and Liberty's taken from us?
There has been a line drawn in the sand- which side are you going to stand on OT?
Are you going to stand on the side of Freedom and the Constitution??
or are you going to stand on the side of partisan politics??
 
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