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origins of Islam

Mike

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I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Interesting article. Without going into this deep of evaluation, it has been my impression from reading the quran that muhammad was familiar with at least some Jewish teachings and distorted them along with creating his own rules for his personal gain.


Surely no one in our current age would try to lead other astray for their own political or economic gain?
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:


Not really... But it is interesting when you start looking at the similarities of the religions and not just the differences... Not only just the Abrahamic religions- but even some of the ancient pagan stories and myths along with the ancient Native American tribes passed down stories tie into stories or people found in the Bible...
And it appears the Islam religion and Christianity are the two that share the most names (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mary, Joseph, etc.) and the two that put Jesus at a high status where the Jewish religion thought of Him as a false prophet/messiah ( Islam does not recognize Him as the son of God)...
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:


Not really... But it is interesting when you start looking at the similarities of the religions and not just the differences... Not only just the Abrahamic religions- but even some of the ancient pagan stories and myths along with the ancient Native American tribes passed down stories tie into stories or people found in the Bible...
And it appears the Islam religion and Christianity are the two that share the most names (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mary, Joseph, etc.) and the two that put Jesus at a high status where the Jewish religion thought of Him as a false prophet/messiah ( Islam does not recognize Him as the son of God)...

You're a little late. Scholars have been writing about this for hundreds of years. :roll:

Read this very closely and learn a little:

http://www.religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/ishmael.htm
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:


Not really... But it is interesting when you start looking at the similarities of the religions and not just the differences... Not only just the Abrahamic religions- but even some of the ancient pagan stories and myths along with the ancient Native American tribes passed down stories tie into stories or people found in the Bible...
And it appears the Islam religion and Christianity are the two that share the most names (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mary, Joseph, etc.) and the two that put Jesus at a high status where the Jewish religion thought of Him as a false prophet/messiah ( Islam does not recognize Him as the son of God)...

You're a little late. Scholars have been writing about this for hundreds of years. :roll:

Yep- I'm aware of that.... But from the response I got on here- I'm not sure half these folks ever picked up a book- let alone read it... And definitely not one that their handlers didn't tell them to read- which would mean nothing pagan or about Islam... :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:



ALL religions were created for control and gain power over people.

It's the reason they exist today. Yes, they have morphed over the ages and cultures but it's a pure control mechanism
 

TexasBred

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Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:

The so-called "prophet" was nothing more than an illiterate goat herder. Needless to say his follows seem to be following in his footsteps.
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:

The so-called "prophet" was nothing more than an illiterate goat herder. Needless to say his follows seem to be following in his footsteps.



And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

NOTHING has ever surfaced that was written by Jesus himself.

That's why the stories were written by others and not the man himself.
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:

The so-called "prophet" was nothing more than an illiterate goat herder. Needless to say his follows seem to be following in his footsteps.



And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

NOTHING has ever surfaced that was written by Jesus himself.

That's why the stories were written by others and not the man himself.
Horse manure. The "stories" were written long after he was crucified, rose and ascended into heaven. He came not to write or deliver a book. He did come to establish and empower a Church.

Numerous places in sacred scripture mention Jesus reading from the scipture. "Google" it Kola.
:wink:
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
The so-called "prophet" was nothing more than an illiterate goat herder. Needless to say his follows seem to be following in his footsteps.



And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

NOTHING has ever surfaced that was written by Jesus himself.

That's why the stories were written by others and not the man himself.
Horse manure. The "stories" were written long after he was crucified, rose and ascended into heaven. He came not to write or deliver a book. He did come to establish and empower a Church.

Numerous places in sacred scripture mention Jesus reading from the scipture. "Google" it Kola.
:wink:



It's was all written by someone else. " they said he did that" " they said he did this"......HE didn't say/write ( in the 1st person) that he did anything . It all comes from others.

Get a group of people around and let them each explain to what they heard at a speech. You'll get a diff translation from each of them.....

NOTHING has ever EVER surfaced that the man penned himself.


Facts are facts and you can get snotty all you want. By the way, not very Christian of you......
 

iwannabeacowboy

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kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

NOTHING has ever surfaced that was written by Jesus himself.

That's why the stories were written by others and not the man himself.
Horse manure. The "stories" were written long after he was crucified, rose and ascended into heaven. He came not to write or deliver a book. He did come to establish and empower a Church.

Numerous places in sacred scripture mention Jesus reading from the scipture. "Google" it Kola.
:wink:



It's was all written by someone else. " they said he did that" " they said he did this"......HE didn't say/write ( in the 1st person) that he did anything . It all comes from others.

Get a group of people around and let them each explain to what they heard at a speech. You'll get a diff translation from each of them.....

NOTHING has ever EVER surfaced that the man penned himself.


Facts are facts and you can get snotty all you want. By the way, not very Christian of you......

Pretty amazing how consistent it is all then, huh?
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

NOTHING has ever surfaced that was written by Jesus himself.

That's why the stories were written by others and not the man himself.
Horse manure. The "stories" were written long after he was crucified, rose and ascended into heaven. He came not to write or deliver a book. He did come to establish and empower a Church.

Numerous places in sacred scripture mention Jesus reading from the scipture. "Google" it Kola.
:wink:



It's was all written by someone else. " they said he did that" " they said he did this"......HE didn't say/write ( in the 1st person) that he did anything . It all comes from others.

Get a group of people around and let them each explain to what they heard at a speech. You'll get a diff translation from each of them.....

NOTHING has ever EVER surfaced that the man penned himself.


Facts are facts and you can get snotty all you want. By the way, not very Christian of you......

Noone said he "penned" anything. does that make him illiterate? But those that lived WITH him tell of his actions and his words. That's enough for me. BTW Mohammed didn't "pen" a letter of the koran either. Supposedly dictated it to another goat herder. Wonder how much was Mohammed's words and how much the scribe simply wrote on his own?
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
Horse manure. The "stories" were written long after he was crucified, rose and ascended into heaven. He came not to write or deliver a book. He did come to establish and empower a Church.

Numerous places in sacred scripture mention Jesus reading from the scipture. "Google" it Kola.
:wink:



It's was all written by someone else. " they said he did that" " they said he did this"......HE didn't say/write ( in the 1st person) that he did anything . It all comes from others.

Get a group of people around and let them each explain to what they heard at a speech. You'll get a diff translation from each of them.....

NOTHING has ever EVER surfaced that the man penned himself.


Facts are facts and you can get snotty all you want. By the way, not very Christian of you......

Noone said he "penned" anything. does that make him illiterate? But those that lived WITH him tell of his actions and his words. That's enough for me. BTW Mohammed didn't "pen" a letter of the koran either. Supposedly dictated it to another goat herder. Wonder how much was Mohammed's words and how much the scribe simply wrote on his own?

BINGO!!!

Now you're catching on.

You see my point exactly.



We have no idea if any words written with and for ANY religion are factual. We just don't.............
 

Martin Jr.

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In the Gospels, in Jesus' words he quotes many scripture passages, so he must have known how to read, and was well taught the scriptures.

Writing is another thing, as it was not as easy to sit down with good paper and pens or with a computer and write a long essay. Writing was a slow process.
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
It's was all written by someone else. " they said he did that" " they said he did this"......HE didn't say/write ( in the 1st person) that he did anything . It all comes from others.

Get a group of people around and let them each explain to what they heard at a speech. You'll get a diff translation from each of them.....

NOTHING has ever EVER surfaced that the man penned himself.


Facts are facts and you can get snotty all you want. By the way, not very Christian of you......

Noone said he "penned" anything. does that make him illiterate? But those that lived WITH him tell of his actions and his words. That's enough for me. BTW Mohammed didn't "pen" a letter of the koran either. Supposedly dictated it to another goat herder. Wonder how much was Mohammed's words and how much the scribe simply wrote on his own?

BINGO!!!

Now you're catching on.

You see my point exactly.



We have no idea if any words written with and for ANY religion are factual. We just don't.............

Simple enough, take a scientific method and prove it wrong.
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
Kola, if He wrote his entire life out on His own, from birth to the grave, why would that make it any more credible? Answer- it wouldn't.

Does the court take the word of a single plaintiff or defendant, or is it the accounts of multiple witnesses that has the greatest bearing?

The fact that multiple people told the story and it was recorded in a very consistent manner, though in multiple languages is what is compelling.

It is not my intention to move you to become a believer. It is my intention to argue against the fallacies of what is being said.

You can chose to not agree, just don't use false information or arguments to make your point.

Same with OT, he can call calf rope any time and retract his muslim=Christianity statement.
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:



ALL religions were created for control and gain power over people.

It's the reason they exist today. Yes, they have morphed over the ages and cultures but it's a pure control mechanism


Is Christianity about controlling the people or about promoting violence?

I've seen the controlling people argument before (it allows the rich to control the poor- keeping the poor from revolting against the rich), but if you agree with OT as you say, then you can't have it both ways. Which is it?
 

backhoeboogie

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kolanuraven said:
And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

Kind of hard to believe a 12 year old could teach in the temple on a regular basis if he did not know how to read.

I'll have to look Luke over again. Seems pretty far fetched to me Kolo.
 
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