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origins of Islam

kolanuraven

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backhoeboogie said:
kolanuraven said:
And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

Kind of hard to believe a 12 year old could teach in the temple on a regular basis if he did not know how to read.

I'll have to look Luke over again. Seems pretty far fetched to me Kolo.



Didn't you have old ones in your past family that could not read nor write yet the taught your Gparent or parents things?

Again , you all are getting way WAY to emtional. Emotions screw up facts.

If you read what Luke wrote...it's just that, what LUKE wrote. Nothing of what Jesus wrote.

It seems odd to me that a whole religion is really based on hear-say of 3rd party authors, some hundreds of years after the fact.
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
backhoeboogie said:
kolanuraven said:
And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

Kind of hard to believe a 12 year old could teach in the temple on a regular basis if he did not know how to read.

I'll have to look Luke over again. Seems pretty far fetched to me Kolo.



Didn't you have old ones in your past family that could not read nor write yet the taught your Gparent or parents things?

Again , you all are getting way WAY to emtional. Emotions screw up facts.

If you read what Luke wrote...it's just that, what LUKE wrote. Nothing of what Jesus wrote.

It seems odd to me that a whole religion is really based on hear-say of 3rd party authors, some hundreds of years after the fact.

Actually Jesus' history is much more believable written by someone else as opposed to Muhammed who wrote it like he wanted it to be. Or rather chanted it and someone else wrote it.
 

TexasBred

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John 14:26-27
New International Version (NIV)
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
Mike said:
I also think that Islam is a work of fiction by Muhammed to gain power and control of people.

Appears as though it worked on OT. :roll:

The so-called "prophet" was nothing more than an illiterate goat herder. Needless to say his follows seem to be following in his footsteps.



And Jesus was just a carpenter.................. and most historians tend to agree he himself was unable to read and write.

NOTHING has ever surfaced that was written by Jesus himself.

That's why the stories were written by others and not the man himself.

was he really a carpenter?

Joseph was a carpenter (Matthew 13:55 & Mark 6:3). The Greek word is Teckton which means builder. Now, some say he worked with wood; building tools, doors, shelves, tables etc. = carpenter. Others say because of the region and the resources were rock, and most everything was built from rock, then he built millstones, winepresses, houses, etc. = stonemason. There is no real evidence to clarify exactly what Joseph was a builder of, but we know that he was a Teckton = Builder.

So how did the tradition arise that Jesus was a carpenter?

In the early church, some leaders assumed that Jesus worked with wood. Justin Martyr, for instance, noted that Jesus made various farm instruments out of wood—plows, yokes, and other tools (Dial. 88). In an effort to glorify Jesus’ humble occupation, the Gnostic Infancy Gospel of Thomas has the boy Jesus miraculously extending wood that his father cut too short. In any case, the retelling of Jesus’ vocation as a woodworker became as firm as a 2×4, so that even today this tradition is more or less assumed.

The text isn’t clear. But the point of the reference to his occupation in Mark 6/Matt 13 is to show that our majestic Savior, born in a feeding trough to an underprivileged couple with a shameful reputation, learned the trade of a peasant. He was a tekton, he worked with his hands, unlike the high and mighty kings of the day.

All we really know occupation wise is that Jesus was a Rabbi or teacher..
 

Steve

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And it appears the Islam religion and Christianity are the two that share the most names (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mary, Joseph, etc.)

the religions all shared a common area.. (middle east)

just as there are American names and Spanish names.. there were Arabic and Hebrew names.


Christianity shares ALL the Hebrew names from the Old Testament, as Jesus was Jewish,..


Islam does not share the Old Testament.. let alone believe it is "from GOD" ,.. and calls the New Testament a bunch of articles..



we as Christians must believe in the old Testament to be Christians

muslims must believe the Old Testament is false to be islamic..
 

hypocritexposer

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many historical people of the middle east share a translation to an english name... :wink:

So, Kola admits that Christians and Jews were in palestine, before the Muslims?

Kinda puts a new twist on the Palestinian question, eh, Kola?

Why is it that those that do not have any religious beliefs, of their own, choose to attack the Christian faith, and defend the Muslim faith?

Most times it seems to be Liberals, or the "Left", that does so?

Does it have something to do with a similar ideology? Is Islam more political, than it is religious?

Kola speaks of "control"...is it possible that environmentalists/gaiaists, are following a "religion", on faith alone????
 

Martin Jr.

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The Gospels were written within 30 years of Jesus death. It is a good thing to write some time after the facts, as by then a better understanding of the teachings is known.

Stories written in the second century were not included in the Bible.
 

hypocritexposer

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Martin Jr. said:
The Gospels were written within 30 years of Jesus death. It is a good thing to write some time after the facts, as by then a better understanding of the teachings is known.

Stories written in the second century were not included in the Bible.

It would be like obama writing his own biographical, before he had ever accomplished anything, and having his followers believe it all.

I'd much rather read what others wrote about his accomplishments. Accuracy would increase, by at least tenfold. Especially for a narcissisist, like obama.

But, I guess there are those that are gullible enough to believe, future accomplishments, and vote for a man that writes such, himself...a definite "messiah", for sure.

Why didn't Jesus boast about his future accomplishments?
 

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