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OT, are Sanctuary cities breaking Federal Law?

hypocritexposer

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Only Congress can legislate laws concerning immigration, correct?

And it's the President's job to interpret those laws as being Constitutional, and either enforcing them, or not, correct?

Why would SCOTUS have to determine if an executive order is legal, or not?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Only Congress can legislate laws concerning immigration, correct?

And it's the President's job to interpret those laws as being Constitutional, and either enforcing them, or not, correct?

Why would SCOTUS have to determine if an executive order is legal, or not?


SCOTUS would not have to determine if an executive order is legal unless someone with standing challenges it ... Until challenged it would be deemed to be legal and the law...

As far as sanctuary cities-- they don't make or change immigration law-- they just don't enforce the federal immigration law that exists... Sanctuary cities just overlook questioning immigration status on individuals...

And I'm not aware of any law or place in the Constitution that says local governments have to go out and enforce federal laws... In fact in most areas of federal law- local governments don't have the power to do much enforcement of federal law...
 
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hypocritexposer said:
So, you didn't have to detain an illegal when found?

Nope- it wasn't up to me nor did I have the available means to identify them as being illegal... When we came across some that we believed were illegal we would - as you and the crooks call it "drop a dime" on them and "snitch on them "- notify Border Patrol and let them investigate it... If we had one in custody on a state crime we would notify the Border Patrol and they would come investigate and make the decision on legality... If they determined they were illegal- they would place a detainer on them and we would hold them for them until they could transport... But several times there were no Border Patrol available- and when they had served their time or posted bond- we had to let them go...
 
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hypocritexposer said:
you didn't have the means to determine if they were repeat offenders and had been determined to be in the Country illegally?

Nope- we had no access to immigration records or data...
If the suspected illegal gave a false name- the only way to identify them was by fingerprints- but back then AFIS was just getting up and running- and we had no access to it so it took mailing prints to the FBI- and then hand searchs- and results often took weeks...

Why didn't GW do anything against Sanctuary Cities? He was petitioned by thousands of folks to cut off their Federal Funding- why didn't he do that?

Why didn't Reagan or any President since him vigorously enforce the law making it a criminal act to hire an illegal alien...


I was against sanctuary cities until I found out how badly the law enforcement often needed these folks to be open with them-- both as victims of crimes and as witness's... With the threat of being reported to immigration many would not come forward and the criminals had free run... Now I see why so many of the law enforcement supported it...
 
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hypocritexposer said:
So, there is no way for Joe Arpaio to determine if a person is an illegal, or not?

I think there was because he had deputies assigned to "task forces" with federal agents-- immigration, U.S. Marshals, etc thru which they had access... And now with AFIS having prints submitted by every agency in the country- if they ever had prior contact with law enforcement they should be able to get a match back/determine ID in just minutes if needed...

We had none of that back in the 70's, 80's or 90's..
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
So, there is no way for Joe Arpaio to determine if a person is an illegal, or not?

I think there was because he had deputies assigned to "task forces" with federal agents-- immigration, U.S. Marshals, etc thru which they had access... And now with AFIS having prints submitted by every agency in the country- if they ever had prior contact with law enforcement they should be able to get a match back/determine ID in just minutes if needed...

We had none of that back in the 70's, 80's or 90's..

So, you are out of touch with the current abilities of law enforcement?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
So, there is no way for Joe Arpaio to determine if a person is an illegal, or not?

I think there was because he had deputies assigned to "task forces" with federal agents-- immigration, U.S. Marshals, etc thru which they had access... And now with AFIS having prints submitted by every agency in the country- if they ever had prior contact with law enforcement they should be able to get a match back/determine ID in just minutes if needed...

We had none of that back in the 70's, 80's or 90's..

So, you are out of touch with the current abilities of law enforcement?

Just don't work with every day anymore... Wouldn't want to tell you something that wasn't true... I know broadly the capabilities and how the new technology works- to try and keep up with the issuing of search warrants and such... I just don't follow that closely or know how each agency is utilizing it...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
I think there was because he had deputies assigned to "task forces" with federal agents-- immigration, U.S. Marshals, etc thru which they had access... And now with AFIS having prints submitted by every agency in the country- if they ever had prior contact with law enforcement they should be able to get a match back/determine ID in just minutes if needed...

We had none of that back in the 70's, 80's or 90's..

So, you are out of touch with the current abilities of law enforcement?

Just don't work with every day anymore... Wouldn't want to tell you something that wasn't true... I know broadly the capabilities and how the new technology works- to try and keep up with the issuing of search warrants and such... I just don't follow that closely or know how each agency is utilizing it...

So, you are some sort of judge, that does not know what he is talking about?

Gotcha.
 

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