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OT WE TOLD YOU SO

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Anonymous

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Voter ID Laws Are Getting More Analysis

With all the court fights going on about restrictions on voting, including shorter hours and stricter requirements for voting, it is not surprising that more people are looking at the subject and writing about it. The conclusion is clear: there is virtually no in-person voting fraud. All of the new laws in 22 states are simply intended to suppress the vote, especially the Democratic vote. In close elections, this disenfranchisement of thousands of voters could make a difference. What is especially telling is that not a single state has done anything to crack down on absentee-ballot fraud, which is small, but definitely exists (e.g., people selling their ballot). This article looks at the relevant history and then examines the restrictions state by state.
http://prospect.org/article/22-states-wave-new-voting-restrictions-threatens-shift-outcomes-tight-races

Another article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/the-disconnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/
cites the biggest example of voter fraud, in which 24 voters may have voted illegally. In federal elections the margin is generally in the thousands. Even the 2000 Presidential election in Florida and the 2008 Coleman-Franken Senate race in Minnesota had margins of more than 300 and these are the closest in recent times.








New Way For Montana Citizens To Register To Vote
Tuesday, October 14th 2014

HELENA – Secretary of State and Chief Elections Officer Linda McCulloch announced on Tuesday a new way for citizens to register to vote for upcoming Montana elections including the November 4th General Election.



The Secretary of State’s office is now offering an online pre-registration tool which allows qualified citizens to enter and submit their registration information online via a computer, tablet or smartphone.



“The pre-registration tool was created to increase accuracy and efficiency of the voter registration process,” Secretary McCulloch said. “It’s important for people using this tool to remember that they still must go into the county election office (or designated location for late registration) where their online submission will be processed just as a paper form is processed, and they will sign the registration form provided by the election administrator in order to receive their ballot.”



Full online voter registration has not yet been implemented in Montana; anyone submitting their registration information using this online tool must still go into the county election office or designated late registration location and sign the registration form before they are legally registered to vote.



“It’s often times hard for citizens to get into the county election office before 5 pm during the late registration period,” Secretary McCulloch said. “This tool gives people the ability to pre-register at their convenience from anywhere at any time, as long as they get to the election office to complete the registration process before the polls close on election day.”



The online pre-registration tool can be found on the Secretary of State’s website at registertovote.mt.gov/Application/Welcome.aspx <https://registertovote.mt.gov/Application/Welcome.aspx>



Montanans can check their voter registration status using the Secretary of State’s online elections tool, “My Voter Page.” Registered voters can also view a precinct-specific sample ballot for the November 4 General Election, find the location of their polling place, and track the status of their absentee ballot once one has been issued.

Its nice to see Montana going the opposite direction- and working to give everyone an easier ability to register and vote... That is the belief I was brought up under- that voting is everyones right and duty...

I received my mail in ballot last week- supposed to turn rainy toward the end of the week- and I have no shippings lined up then so may have to go over it...
 

Mike

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What is especially telling is that not a single state has done anything to crack down on absentee-ballot fraud, which is small, but definitely exists (e.g., people selling their ballot).
:roll:
 

loomixguy

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India has over a billion people living there, and EVERY eligible voter has ID. Funny how a former third world country can do some things better than we can.
 
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loomixguy said:
India has over a billion people living there, and EVERY eligible voter has ID. Funny how a former third world country can do some things better than we can.

True conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists have long fought against a national ID or the requirement everyone have an ID... Much of this comes about because the idea raises the picture of the Nazi Gestapo officer standing at the train depot checking everyone's travel permits and ID's "Papiere Bitte"...

I'm not opposed to having to show an ID to vote- but I'm afraid that these court challenges on national elections will lead to a national ID for elections (like India-- we're almost there now with the REAL ID Act (signed into law in 2005) with only a few states not yet in compliance)... Which brings up the question- will every movement you take on public transportation- or every time you buy something and show the ID, or stopped and checked by police, etc., etc. be registered into a national computer.... Is/will all this info be shared with foreign countries?... I believe it may be now with Mexico and Canada....

I would think that folks so opposed to gun registration and tracking would be yelling to high heaven about the government registering and tracking yourselves :???:
 

Mike

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OT. Don't give us that BS.

Only a pictured drivers license. That's all that's needed. No "National ID".

Are you really that stupid? :lol: :lol: :lol:

By God, I believe you are................................ :roll:
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Sadist much?

The argument is racism and poverty is it not?

When OT can show that identification is not needed for welfare and that a majority of recipients are not minority, I'll read his posts on it. Until then he loses before he starts.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
OT. Don't give us that BS.

Only a pictured drivers license. That's all that's needed. No "National ID".

Are you really that stupid? :lol: :lol: :lol:

By God, I believe you are................................ :roll:


As of this year- state drivers license's are essentially national ID cards....

After 2011, "a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification card issued by a state to any person unless the state is meeting the requirements" specified in the REAL ID Act. The DHS will continue to consider additional ways in which a REAL ID license can or should be used for official federal purposes without seeking the approval of Congress before doing so. States remain free to also issue non-complying licenses and IDs, so long as these have a unique design and a clear statement that they cannot be accepted for any Federal identification purpose. The federal Transportation Security Administration is responsible for security check-in at airports, so bearers of non-compliant documents would no longer be able to travel on common carrier aircraft without additional screening unless they had an alternative government-issued photo ID.[21]

People born on or after December 1, 1964, will have to obtain a REAL ID by December 1, 2014. Those born before December 1, 1964, will have until December 1, 2017, to obtain their REAL ID.[22]

The national license/ID standards cover:
How the states must share their databases both domestically and internationally through the AAMVA
What data must be included on the card and what technology it is encoded with
What documentation must be presented and electronically stored before a card can be issued


Strictly speaking, many of these requirements are not new. They replace similar language in Section 7212 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (Pub.L. 108–458), which had not yet gone into effect before being repealed by the Real ID Act.

Data requirements[edit]

A Real ID-compliant form of identification requires the following pieces of data:
Full legal name,
Signature,
Date of birth,
Gender,
Unique, identifying number,
Principal residence address,
Front-facing photograph of the applicant.

Said cards must also feature specific security features intended to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. These cards must also present data in a common, machine-readable format (bar codes, smart card technology, etc.). Although the use of wireless RFID chips was offered for consideration in the proposed rulemaking process, it was not included in the latest rulemaking process.[23] DHS could consider additional technological requirements to be incorporated into the licenses after consulting with the states. In addition, DHS has required the use of RFID chips in its Enhanced Driver's License program, which the Department is proposing as an alternative to REAL ID.[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act


People born on or after December 1, 1964, will have to obtain a REAL ID by December 1, 2014. Those born before December 1, 1964, will have until December 1, 2017, to obtain their REAL ID.

GW gave this current makeup of Republicans what they wanted- National ID...
 

Mike

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Big frickin deal. :lol: :lol:

Now nobody can howl about not having an ID to vote. :roll: And the Meskins around here don't get to have the fake ID's. EVEN BETTER!!! :lol:
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
loomixguy said:
India has over a billion people living there, and EVERY eligible voter has ID. Funny how a former third world country can do some things better than we can.

True conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists have long fought against a national ID or the requirement everyone have an ID... Much of this comes about because the idea raises the picture of the Nazi Gestapo officer standing at the train depot checking everyone's travel permits and ID's "Papiere Bitte"...

I'm not opposed to having to show an ID to vote- but I'm afraid that these court challenges on national elections will lead to a national ID for elections (like India-- we're almost there now with the REAL ID Act (signed into law in 2005) with only a few states not yet in compliance)... Which brings up the question- will every movement you take on public transportation- or every time you buy something and show the ID, or stopped and checked by police, etc., etc. be registered into a national computer.... Is/will all this info be shared with foreign countries?... I believe it may be now with Mexico and Canada....

I would think that folks so opposed to gun registration and tracking would be yelling to high heaven about the government registering and tracking yourselves :???:

Aren't you the same assclown who doesn't give a damn that the NSA can read your emails? Aren't you the same assclown who doesn't care if American citizens are cremated without a day in court as long as some group of unnamed government officials and a donk president say they're a threat?

This is why I know for a fact that you don't believe half the crap you post here. I'm convinced you don't know what the phuck you believe. Have you been sharing the glass pipe with the kid?
 

loomixguy

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
loomixguy said:
India has over a billion people living there, and EVERY eligible voter has ID. Funny how a former third world country can do some things better than we can.

True conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists have long fought against a national ID or the requirement everyone have an ID... Much of this comes about because the idea raises the picture of the Nazi Gestapo officer standing at the train depot checking everyone's travel permits and ID's "Papiere Bitte"...

I'm not opposed to having to show an ID to vote- but I'm afraid that these court challenges on national elections will lead to a national ID for elections (like India-- we're almost there now with the REAL ID Act (signed into law in 2005) with only a few states not yet in compliance)... Which brings up the question- will every movement you take on public transportation- or every time you buy something and show the ID, or stopped and checked by police, etc., etc. be registered into a national computer.... Is/will all this info be shared with foreign countries?... I believe it may be now with Mexico and Canada....

I would think that folks so opposed to gun registration and tracking would be yelling to high heaven about the government registering and tracking yourselves :???:

Aren't you the same assclown who doesn't give a damn that the NSA can read your emails? Aren't you the same assclown who doesn't care if American citizens are cremated without a day in court as long as some group of unnamed government officials and a donk president say they're a threat?

This is why I know for a fact that you don't believe half the crap you post here. I'm convinced you don't know what the phuck you believe. Have you been sharing the glass pipe with the kid?

SMACK! That left a mark!

I've had a CDL ever since they first came out with them. They were actually supposed to be a form of national ID. FWIW, they can also track you from your cell phone, even if the GPS is supposedly "off".
 

loomixguy

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Maybe the Fatman should take up the pipe. It couldn't mess his alcohol soaked brain up any worse than it already is....it might even help.
 

ranch hand

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Oldtimer said:
loomixguy said:
India has over a billion people living there, and EVERY eligible voter has ID. Funny how a former third world country can do some things better than we can.

True conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists have long fought against a national ID or the requirement everyone have an ID... Much of this comes about because the idea raises the picture of the Nazi Gestapo officer standing at the train depot checking everyone's travel permits and ID's "Papiere Bitte"...

I'm not opposed to having to show an ID to vote- but I'm afraid that these court challenges on national elections will lead to a national ID for elections (like India-- we're almost there now with the REAL ID Act (signed into law in 2005) with only a few states not yet in compliance)... Which brings up the question- will every movement you take on public transportation- or every time you buy something and show the ID, or stopped and checked by police, etc., etc. be registered into a national computer.... Is/will all this info be shared with foreign countries?... I believe it may be now with Mexico and Canada....

I would think that folks so opposed to gun registration and tracking would be yelling to high heaven about the government registering and tracking yourselves :???:

Went to the dr. the other day and had to show insurance card and photo id before they would check me in.
 

hypocritexposer

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ranch hand said:
Went to the dr. the other day and had to show insurance card and photo id before they would check me in.

Don't you have to show ID to enroll in obamacare? Aren't the Dems. "suppressing" health care by asking ID?
 
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I have no problem with showing ID's- or national mandatory ID's like the Real ID Act requires... The old policeman in me says it will make finding and tracking folks much easier-- and make it tougher for those that want to go on the run or into hiding for any reason...

But it surprise's me that most you rightwingernut folks would want to give that much authority to the Federal government and the law enforcement authorities- both local and Federal- as well as have all your personal info shared with foreign governments/foreign law enforcement .... :???:

As far as the purpose for all these voting challenges around the country- I think the rightwings nutcase female spokesperson has summed it up best with some of her quotes:

I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
Ann Coulter 17 August 1997

It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 — except Goldwater in '64 — the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
~Ann Coulter (17 May 2003)

Conservatives have a problem with women. For that matter, all men do.
~Ann Coulter


If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president.
Ann Coulter


I think [women] should be armed but should not vote ... women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it ... it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
~ Ann Coulter (26 February 2001)
 

Mike

Well-known member
You're missing one big element. We're not outlaws. All except Whitewing, that is. LOL!!!!

I agree with Coulter. Women should not vote. Women in general will give up freedom for security. It's born in them.
 

loomixguy

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Statements from 1997, 2001, & 2003. Right up to date and current. Just like finding pro slavery statements made before 1860.

Imbecile.
 

ranch hand

Well-known member
I say if you don't pay income tax you can't vote. Many people would get a job if they had to before they could vote. Then they would feel different after paying taxes and giving out all that free stuff. :)
 

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