[/quote]Larrry said:Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?
Oldtimer said:Larrry said:Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?
The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...
One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...
After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...
One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....
and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...
iwannabeacowboy said:Oldtimer said:Larrry said:Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?
The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...
One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...
After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...
One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....
I really try to have compassion on you, but you just won't stop. Do yourself a favor and just stop.
If you understood the constitution you'd know it was designed to be easily interpreted by common people. A lot like the 10 commandments. It is from these basic tenants that all other laws can be created, understood and executed- some with deeper consideration.
It's comical that because you can't or won't understand this, the most basic of our system, you think so many others are ignorant- yet it's you. The supposed ex "law enforcer" of 1 term.
If you understood the constitution, you would know that people have basic rights. So that means that there is a limit of power an officer legally has. The constitution limits the power of the government and the agents carrying out it's duties.
Tell us again, all knowing Inspector Clouseau, where did you get your law degree from to be able to interpret the Constitution in special ways the average individual can't understand?
And there is where you are wrong-- your personal interpretation of the Constitution and a law mean nothing legally- its the way the Courts have interpreted the law and its fitting into the Constitution that stand..
Oldtimer said:iwannabeacowboy said:Oldtimer said:The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...
One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...
After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...
One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....
I really try to have compassion on you, but you just won't stop. Do yourself a favor and just stop.
If you understood the constitution you'd know it was designed to be easily interpreted by common people. A lot like the 10 commandments. It is from these basic tenants that all other laws can be created, understood and executed- some with deeper consideration.
It's comical that because you can't or won't understand this, the most basic of our system, you think so many others are ignorant- yet it's you. The supposed ex "law enforcer" of 1 term.
If you understood the constitution, you would know that people have basic rights. So that means that there is a limit of power an officer legally has. The constitution limits the power of the government and the agents carrying out it's duties.
Tell us again, all knowing Inspector Clouseau, where did you get your law degree from to be able to interpret the Constitution in special ways the average individual can't understand?
And there is where you are wrong-- your personal interpretation of the Constitution and a law mean nothing legally- its the way the Courts have interpreted the law and its fitting into the Constitution that stand.. With the SCOTUS being the final say on Constitutionality of an issue.... And that is the direction that law enforcement have to take...
Just because you believe something or some law is unconstitutional does not give you the right to physically challenge the officer's actions during a stop, search, or the arrest- that is an issue that needs to be taken up later within the court...Physical confrontation or resistance usually only ends you up in jail with additional charges...
A good example of the confrontational attitude that is making law enforcement more confrontational in return and how it is changing how law enforcement reacts is now appearing following the Bundy fiasco.. Probably only a small percentage of the farmer/ranchers in the whole country supported Bundy- and an even smaller bunch went there to wave guns around and confront law enforcement serving a duly authorized Court Order...
But that gave law enforcement (and much of the public) across the country an impression that all farmers and ranchers were radical nut case right wing extremists-- and to be dealt with accordingly... So the next time you have a dealing with a law enforcement officer and he is highly suspicious and with his guard up while dealing with you-- it may be the Bundy Bunch you have to thank for making him so...
I am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?
I don't think it could be more plain. Just like,You shall not commit adultery.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
There you say the people are not experts but you are granting that the cops are.....not acceptabeAnd everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right-
Yes and thats what they are paid to do, just because its a high stress job doesnt grant them the authority to be an azsholeOne of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....
Not a single agency, it's probably being friends with many that I see first hand how cops overstep their authority. In fact was involved in the sheriffs race until after the primary and then stepped back because I was friends with the Independant and the Rep candidates. A close friend just finished his State patrol Academy training . That defense didn't work out well for you otI am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?
Oldtimer said:Larrry said:Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?
Larrry said:The funny thing is ot didn't answer why all cops try to be gestapo.
But then he says that the people can't express their RIGHTS but the cops are there to interpret their rights...sorry ot you are wrong wrong wrong.
Like it was said earlier the cops should protect our rights
I don't think all cops do try to be Gestapo
Oldtimer said:I am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?
Larrry said:Exactly WW, you are proof that he is looking for that.
Funny little exchange with a candidate for sheriff, asked him if the feds came in and tried to circumvent him and arrest someone would he stand in the way?
His answer was "yes but only to a point, it wouldn't do me any good if I was thrown in jail" In other words he wasn't going to do his job.