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Larrry said:
Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?
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The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...

One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...

After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...

One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....
 

Mike

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Why people don't like cops?

Be sure to watch the video:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/albuquerque-police-investigation/

Law enforcement is so distrusted, that soon ALL officers will be required to have a audio/video camera on his lapel at all time. Write it down.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?

The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...

One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...

After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...

One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....

I really try to have compassion on you, but you just won't stop. Do yourself a favor and just stop.

If you understood the constitution you'd know it was designed to be easily interpreted by common people. A lot like the 10 commandments. It is from these basic tenants that all other laws can be created, understood and executed- some with deeper consideration.

It's comical that because you can't or won't understand this, the most basic of our system, you think so many others are ignorant- yet it's you. The supposed ex "law enforcer" of 1 term :).

If you understood the constitution, you would know that people have basic rights. So that means that there is a limit of power an officer legally has. The constitution limits the power of the government and the agents carrying out it's duties.

Tell us again, all knowing Inspector Clouseau, where did you get your law degree from to be able to interpret the Constitution in special ways the average individual can't understand?
 

Mike

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I get it now. He wanted/wants to be an "Old Time Cowboy Sheriff".

I'm finally seeing the light............................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

He wanted to be Matt Dillon folks......................but instead he was a "Barney Fife". :shock: :shock: :shock:
 

Steve

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and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...

I'm trying to remember the part of the constitution that gives police the ability to take a person's rights away and be judge, jury and in some tragic cases executioner?

in the old days (70's) it was the police's word over the victim.. now with technology many police are finding they do not have the right to detain, beat or shoot a person because he didn't OBEY their every order..







In the military they taught US the difference between a lawful order and an unlawful order.. maybe police should get the same training... .
 
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iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?

The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...

One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...

After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...

One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....

I really try to have compassion on you, but you just won't stop. Do yourself a favor and just stop.

If you understood the constitution you'd know it was designed to be easily interpreted by common people. A lot like the 10 commandments. It is from these basic tenants that all other laws can be created, understood and executed- some with deeper consideration.

It's comical that because you can't or won't understand this, the most basic of our system, you think so many others are ignorant- yet it's you. The supposed ex "law enforcer" of 1 term :).

If you understood the constitution, you would know that people have basic rights. So that means that there is a limit of power an officer legally has. The constitution limits the power of the government and the agents carrying out it's duties.

Tell us again, all knowing Inspector Clouseau, where did you get your law degree from to be able to interpret the Constitution in special ways the average individual can't understand?

And there is where you are wrong-- your personal interpretation of the Constitution and a law mean nothing legally- its the way the Courts have interpreted the law and its fitting into the Constitution that stand.. With the SCOTUS being the final say on Constitutionality of an issue.... And that is the direction that law enforcement have to take...

Just because you believe something or some law is unconstitutional does not give you the right to physically challenge the officer's actions during a stop, search, or the arrest- that is an issue that needs to be taken up later within the court...Physical confrontation or resistance usually only ends you up in jail with additional charges...

A good example of the confrontational attitude that is making law enforcement more confrontational in return and how it is changing how law enforcement reacts is now appearing following the Bundy fiasco.. Probably only a small percentage of the farmer/ranchers in the whole country supported Bundy- and an even smaller bunch went there to wave guns around and confront law enforcement serving a duly authorized Court Order...
But that gave law enforcement (and much of the public) across the country an impression that all farmers and ranchers were radical nut case right wing extremists-- and to be dealt with accordingly... So the next time you have a dealing with a law enforcement officer and he is highly suspicious and with his guard up while dealing with you-- it may be the Bundy Bunch you have to thank for making him so...


I am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?
 

Steve

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And there is where you are wrong-- your personal interpretation of the Constitution and a law mean nothing legally- its the way the Courts have interpreted the law and its fitting into the Constitution that stand..

so how can a police officer not follow the law and you have to comply?

fact is... you don't,.. you have "RIGHTS"

and if a police officer tramples on those rights he is in the wrong...




why is it a police can demand my ID ,.. yet has to ignore an illegal alien with no ID?

a right is a right.. it isn't the governments job to decide who has rights.. it is the governments job to protect everyone's rights..

and if the police officer isn't up to the job,.. then step aside.. there are plenty of folk willing to do it..
 

Traveler

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Yeah, blame the Bundy's. Bodycount 0.

Where's the real friction coming from? Mexican and other gangs, drugs, and drug runners in every state, and the increasing mistrust of authority by people of all ages that has escalated since November 2008.

Many who were teens and young adults in the 60s and 70s especially are leery of heavy handed authority, IMO.
 

hopalong

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You only need to look at the way oldtimer acts on this and other forums to understand why L.E. is looked down on!!

Threats,,, intimidation,, false accusation.. out and out lies, all the things people have come to distrust L.E. about.. classic sighs of being a TROLL
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...

One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...

After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...

One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....

I really try to have compassion on you, but you just won't stop. Do yourself a favor and just stop.

If you understood the constitution you'd know it was designed to be easily interpreted by common people. A lot like the 10 commandments. It is from these basic tenants that all other laws can be created, understood and executed- some with deeper consideration.

It's comical that because you can't or won't understand this, the most basic of our system, you think so many others are ignorant- yet it's you. The supposed ex "law enforcer" of 1 term :).

If you understood the constitution, you would know that people have basic rights. So that means that there is a limit of power an officer legally has. The constitution limits the power of the government and the agents carrying out it's duties.

Tell us again, all knowing Inspector Clouseau, where did you get your law degree from to be able to interpret the Constitution in special ways the average individual can't understand?

And there is where you are wrong-- your personal interpretation of the Constitution and a law mean nothing legally- its the way the Courts have interpreted the law and its fitting into the Constitution that stand.. With the SCOTUS being the final say on Constitutionality of an issue.... And that is the direction that law enforcement have to take...

Just because you believe something or some law is unconstitutional does not give you the right to physically challenge the officer's actions during a stop, search, or the arrest- that is an issue that needs to be taken up later within the court...Physical confrontation or resistance usually only ends you up in jail with additional charges...

A good example of the confrontational attitude that is making law enforcement more confrontational in return and how it is changing how law enforcement reacts is now appearing following the Bundy fiasco.. Probably only a small percentage of the farmer/ranchers in the whole country supported Bundy- and an even smaller bunch went there to wave guns around and confront law enforcement serving a duly authorized Court Order...
But that gave law enforcement (and much of the public) across the country an impression that all farmers and ranchers were radical nut case right wing extremists-- and to be dealt with accordingly... So the next time you have a dealing with a law enforcement officer and he is highly suspicious and with his guard up while dealing with you-- it may be the Bundy Bunch you have to thank for making him so...


I am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?

You might need to read my posts slower or something. Again, I don't have a personal interpretation of anything.
You shall not commit adultery.
I don't think it could be more plain. Just like,
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If you need help interpreting that..... well I know a really good elementary school reading teacher, maybe she can help you with comprehension skills?

I might even cover the first few secessions. Lack of comprehension is just as bad, if not worse than being illiterate.

The making up stuff out of thin air part, I don't know anyone that can make you be honest..... I'll have to continue to work on that.

Yeah, I've met so many rancher's that thought Reid was right and Bundy wrong..... :lol:
 

Larrry

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And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right-
There you say the people are not experts but you are granting that the cops are.....not acceptabe

One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....
Yes and thats what they are paid to do, just because its a high stress job doesnt grant them the authority to be an azshole

I am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?
Not a single agency, it's probably being friends with many that I see first hand how cops overstep their authority. In fact was involved in the sheriffs race until after the primary and then stepped back because I was friends with the Independant and the Rep candidates. A close friend just finished his State patrol Academy training . That defense didn't work out well for you ot
 

Hereford76

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Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
Why are all cops ax holes and complete Gestapo jerks?

The old rule was treat folks like they treat you...

One of the reason's I haven't been around to play on the schoolyard with you was because I was at the funeral of one of the last of the oldtime cowboy Sheriffs'...

After the funeral- several of us oldtimers were discussing all the changes since 1970 when most of us had started in the profession... One of the first things brought up was the huge increase in the number of cops-- but as some still active folks brought up- the amount of crime- lack of respect for any authority- extremist anti-government, anti- law enforcement has increased 10 fold in the last 15-20 years ... And everyone anymore thinks they are a Constitutional expert- and that their interpretation of the constitution is right- and that if they don't agree with the officer they don't have to do what he says ...

One of the fellows I had a chance to talk with is a former US Marshal who now works as an information officer for a national intelligence group and travels the west quite extensively... And like he said Officers have much more confrontation in their jobs anymore... And so much of that confrontation is violent... He commented that 30 years ago - even a town the size of Billings only had a gun or shooting call once or twice a month-- now its daily... And these officers who want to go home to their wife and kids are under much more stress....[/quote]

Here I was under the impression the good old days were backwards as he!!
 

Mike

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The Left thinks the Constitution is a "Living" document that can be changed at will to fit their morals as they go down the toilet. :roll:
 

Larrry

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The funny thing is ot didn't answer why all cops try to be gestapo.

But then he says that the people can't express their RIGHTS but the cops are there to interpret their rights...sorry ot you are wrong wrong wrong.
Like it was said earlier the cops should protect our rights
 
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Larrry said:
The funny thing is ot didn't answer why all cops try to be gestapo.

But then he says that the people can't express their RIGHTS but the cops are there to interpret their rights...sorry ot you are wrong wrong wrong.
Like it was said earlier the cops should protect our rights

I don't think all cops do try to be Gestapo... You have some bad cops just like you have bad bankers and bad ranchers... Road cops/truck cops have always been terrible...
There have always been some bad cops- but I think the stress's of today just amp it up a degree ... One of the things we discussed that was different from back in the 70's - is altho everyone locally had a rifle in there truck- you didn't see all the military gear (AR-15's- AK-47's, Chicoms, etc.) that you see now- nor all the pistols (much like the article I posted the other day:
http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=72668...
The weapon of choice was the old 30-30 behind the seat-- or an "ought six" with a scope-- but seldom you saw a semi automatic (most oldtimers thought of them as ammo wasters- and if you had a good gun you only needed one shot)....

The police are being confronted much more often and facing much more weaponry, to the point they are being equipped and trained better than the military in instances to meet the threat...
Its the proverbial Catch-22-- as the threat escalates- so does the reaction- which to you then escalates the threat more and seeing them as Gestapo...
 

Larrry

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I don't think all cops do try to be Gestapo

Are you saying a whole group of people can't be bad. Here you've tried all the time to imply that on Tea Party people.


But on a further note what you find in the ranks of LE is that if ones bad, none of the good ones will break ranks and condemn him and want him gone.
That in a sense makes so called good cops BAD.

It is common practice to indoctrinate new LE that people are law breakers, it just their job to find out whatg laws they are breaking.

A question for you, as a LEO was it your job to enforce the letter of the law or the intent of the law
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
I am curious Larrry as to what law enforcement agency you are having problems with?

Translation: Give me more details so I can stick my fat nose into your business and see if I can find some to embarrass you.
 

Larrry

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Exactly WW, you are proof that he is looking for that.

Funny little exchange with a candidate for sheriff, asked him if the feds came in and tried to circumvent him and arrest someone would he stand in the way?
His answer was "yes but only to a point, it wouldn't do me any good if I was thrown in jail" In other words he wasn't going to do his job.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Larrry said:
Exactly WW, you are proof that he is looking for that.

Funny little exchange with a candidate for sheriff, asked him if the feds came in and tried to circumvent him and arrest someone would he stand in the way?
His answer was "yes but only to a point, it wouldn't do me any good if I was thrown in jail" In other words he wasn't going to do his job.

He'd be a hero if he stood his legal ground and got thrown in jail.
 

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