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Ot's Libertarianism

Big Muddy rancher

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Libertarian socialism or socialist anarchism[1][2] is a group of political philosophies that aspire to anarchist forms of socialism in that they wish to create a society without political, economic, or social hierarchies, i.e. a society in which all violent or coercive institutions would be dissolved, and in their place every person would have free, equal access to tools of information and production, or a society in which such coercive institutions and hierarchies were drastically reduced in scope.[3]

This equality and freedom would be achieved through the abolition of authoritarian institutions that own and control productive means as private property,[4] in order that direct control of these means of production and resources will be shared by society as a whole. Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that informs the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of social life. Accordingly libertarian socialists believe that “the exercise of power in any institutionalized form – whether economic, political, religious, or sexual – brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised.”[5]

While more state-based varieties of socialism emphasize the role of the state or political party in promoting state control of the economy and social engineering[citation needed], libertarian socialists place their hopes in trade unions, workers' councils, municipalities, citizens' assemblies, and other non-bureaucratic, decentralized means of direct democracy.[6] Many libertarian socialists advocate doing away with the state altogether, seeing it as a bulwark of capitalist class rule.[7]

Political philosophies commonly described as libertarian socialist include most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[8] most forms of mutualism,[9],social ecology,[10] autonomism and council communism).[11] Some writers use libertarian socialism synonymously with anarchism.[12]
 

badaxemoo

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Libertarian socialism or socialist anarchism[1][2] is a group of political philosophies that aspire to anarchist forms of socialism in that they wish to create a society without political, economic, or social hierarchies, i.e. a society in which all violent or coercive institutions would be dissolved, and in their place every person would have free, equal access to tools of information and production, or a society in which such coercive institutions and hierarchies were drastically reduced in scope.[3]

This equality and freedom would be achieved through the abolition of authoritarian institutions that own and control productive means as private property,[4] in order that direct control of these means of production and resources will be shared by society as a whole. Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that informs the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of social life. Accordingly libertarian socialists believe that “the exercise of power in any institutionalized form – whether economic, political, religious, or sexual – brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised.”[5]

While more state-based varieties of socialism emphasize the role of the state or political party in promoting state control of the economy and social engineering[citation needed], libertarian socialists place their hopes in trade unions, workers' councils, municipalities, citizens' assemblies, and other non-bureaucratic, decentralized means of direct democracy.[6] Many libertarian socialists advocate doing away with the state altogether, seeing it as a bulwark of capitalist class rule.[7]

Political philosophies commonly described as libertarian socialist include most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[8] most forms of mutualism,[9],social ecology,[10] autonomism and council communism).[11] Some writers use libertarian socialism synonymously with anarchism.[12]

Unless you are joking, I think you probably chose the wrong "flavor" of libertarianism.

I could be wrong, but I doubt if OT spends a whole lot of time curled up with a book by Murray Bookchin.
 

TexasBred

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badaxemoo said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Libertarian socialism or socialist anarchism[1][2] is a group of political philosophies that aspire to anarchist forms of socialism in that they wish to create a society without political, economic, or social hierarchies, i.e. a society in which all violent or coercive institutions would be dissolved, and in their place every person would have free, equal access to tools of information and production, or a society in which such coercive institutions and hierarchies were drastically reduced in scope.[3]

This equality and freedom would be achieved through the abolition of authoritarian institutions that own and control productive means as private property,[4] in order that direct control of these means of production and resources will be shared by society as a whole. Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that informs the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of social life. Accordingly libertarian socialists believe that “the exercise of power in any institutionalized form – whether economic, political, religious, or sexual – brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised.”[5]

While more state-based varieties of socialism emphasize the role of the state or political party in promoting state control of the economy and social engineering[citation needed], libertarian socialists place their hopes in trade unions, workers' councils, municipalities, citizens' assemblies, and other non-bureaucratic, decentralized means of direct democracy.[6] Many libertarian socialists advocate doing away with the state altogether, seeing it as a bulwark of capitalist class rule.[7]

Political philosophies commonly described as libertarian socialist include most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[8] most forms of mutualism,[9],social ecology,[10] autonomism and council communism).[11] Some writers use libertarian socialism synonymously with anarchism.[12]

Unless you are joking, I think you probably chose the wrong "flavor" of libertarianism.

I could be wrong, but I doubt if OT spends a whole lot of time curled up with a book by Murray Bookchin.

As many times as he's mentioned stopping at the watering hole there's no telling what he curls up with.
 

backhoeboogie

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There's no way I would associate OT with Libertarians. Nor most all the libs (liberals) on this site.

Libertarians are more in line with Republicans than anyone else. They believe in less government.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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backhoeboogie said:
There's no way I would associate OT with Libertarians. Nor most all the libs (liberals) on this site.

Libertarians are more in line with Republicans than anyone else. They believe in less government.

That is what I thought until OT who thinks the government creating 600,000 more government jobs is OK. Then I figured it must be this kind of Libertarianism.
 

alice

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I'm feeling ignored.
Awwww,if you were nicer maybe Kola and alice will talk to you....... :p

Not likely. :D

Kola makes "statements" and it's none of my Damn business what Alice thinks. If she does. :eek:

No, it's none of your damn business how my husband votes...which he does.

Alice
 

backhoeboogie

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Big Muddy rancher said:
:? Where is that darn libertarian? :???:

If you are talking about OT, he is not applicable.

Calling OT a libertarian is an insult to libertarians.

No offense intended at all BMR. Libertarians believe is less government. Less taxes. Legalization of most victimless crimes.

There was a heavy push for a straight tax by libertarians too in the very early 80's. They may still be on their agenda. The liberal Dems cried the loudest about that.

Most libertarians are on the right - some on the very far right - more to the right than republicans. Yes some are a little left too.

I'll admist that I have no kept up with them. I haven't read Reason Magazine is quite a few years. I doubt that OT ever subscribed or read it.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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alice said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Awwww,if you were nicer maybe Kola and alice will talk to you....... :p

Not likely. :D

Kola makes "statements" and it's none of my Damn business what Alice thinks. If she does. :eek:

No, it's none of your damn business how my husband votes...which he does.

Alice

Gee now I feel better. :D

Thanks Mrs G for giving those girls a pep take. Worked wonders. :roll:
 

Mrs.Greg

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Big Muddy rancher said:
alice said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Not likely. :D

Kola makes "statements" and it's none of my Damn business what Alice thinks. If she does. :eek:

No, it's none of your damn business how my husband votes...which he does.

Alice

Gee now I feel better. :D

Thanks Mrs G for giving those girls a pep take. Worked wonders. :roll:
Your sure cranky this week.......
 

kolanuraven

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Typical man......get mad and in a tiff when the women folk are around :x



THEN...whine and cry when he's ignore!!! :cry2:



Geeeeezzzz....I thought I got rid of that kind of crap with divorce papers yrs ago..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Mrs.Greg said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
alice said:
No, it's none of your damn business how my husband votes...which he does.

Alice

Gee now I feel better. :D

Thanks Mrs G for giving those girls a pep take. Worked wonders. :roll:
Your sure cranky this week.......



Cranky?

I was the epitome of politeness. And what does it get me?

Three women fawning for my attention. :wink:

Guess you really do catch more flies with sugar. :pretty: :nod: :cowboy:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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reader (the Second) said:
I've never heard of this type of libertarian. I don't think OT's a libertarian anyway. I knew some in Texas and they basically didn't want much government, especially not regulation or the government messing in people's private lives.

That's exactly what I thought and yet OT has many times told us he is more Libertarian then Republican then he supports this move by the Democrats to make government much bigger. It had me wondering. :???:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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reader (the Second) said:
Well I'll let him speak for himself. I'm not libertarian myself at all, although there are some areas where I think the government has no business.

If you notice that after two pages of post most of which was me bringing to the top he is conspicuous by his absence. :?
 
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Anonymous

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Big Muddy rancher said:
reader (the Second) said:
Well I'll let him speak for himself. I'm not libertarian myself at all, although there are some areas where I think the government has no business.

If you notice that after two pages of post most of which was me bringing to the top he is conspicuous by his absence. :?

And here I thought it was only your wife that had a stalking infatuation with me :???: I'm starting to wonder about you Big Fella- bad enough alone you ain't taking care of your wife :wink: :p :p

I don't know what I am- I'm ME...Hell with the labels, I go the direction I feel-and the direction I think is heading right for the time and circumstances - not what the cultist (R) or (D) folks tell me or whats PC for the day....

I know when I take those on line political stance tests they usually come back centrist/moderate- libertarian- altho I lean fiscally conservative...

I also know that when the University did a study of Montana voters- the majority were Libertarian as they are more socially Liberal- very open to minority's (probably because of our not that long ago settled population that came from every part of the globe-voluntarily), do not want political parties interfering in or telling them the religion/belief(s) they should worship- or that we all have to be "born again" Bible Thumpers , or despise and hate monger to anyone that isn't- don't think government should be sticking their noses into bedrooms- and who they associate with or want to spend their lives with (altho the state has rejected same sex marriages), should not have old grey haired men in D.C. legislating decisions that should be left to the person after consultation with their doctor and their God....Most folks in this state also believe the Gospel words that "we are all brothers" and don't go automatically judging someone because of the color of their skin- and judge them by who they are, and what they do- not on whether their folks came over on the Mayflower- or met it....

If I don't fit in with the current neocon Republicanism that believes in stifling all that- so be it...These current batch of Republicans/right wingnuts wouldn't make a pimple on the arse of the oldtimers that really respected liberty, law and order, the Constitution and individual privacy rights...
 
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