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Our Crappy healthcare...

Mrs.Greg

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Looked after 2 people I care about this last week and pretty damned fast too.

Northern Rancher....read his post in Ranch

Hanna...my niece,bad burn on paralised legs,skin graft the day after the burn happened

Plus my new grandaughter was sick at birth and wasn't released until she was perfectly healthy...Kudo's to the Dr's and nurses in the Edmonton Stollery for Hannas care and the Red Deer Special care unit for looking after the baby so well.Saskatoon hospital for the fast action Corey got....

Its not "ALL" bad out there and postive stories NEED to be told,for those that blindly follow the negative reports
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
Looked after 2 people I care about this last week and pretty damned fast too.

Northern Rancher....read his post in Ranch

Hanna...my niece,bad burn on paralised legs,skin graft the day after the burn happened

Plus my new grandaughter was sick at birth and wasn't released until she was perfectly healthy...Kudo's to the Dr's and nurses in the Edmonton Stollery for Hannas care and the Red Deer Special care unit for looking after the baby so well.Saskatoon hospital for the fast action Corey got....

Its not "ALL" bad out there and postive stories NEED to be told,for those that blindly follow the negative reports

Thank God none of them needed an MRI! Or had multiple birth! :wink:
 

alice

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Mrs.Greg...thank you!

Aplus...MRI's are pretty much over used, but they are definitely money makers! As for multiple births...that's kind of hypothetical, isn't it? As I remember, you have real problems with hypotheticals when it comes to child birth. :roll:

Alice
 
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Anonymous

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Mrs.Greg said:
Its not "ALL" bad out there and postive stories NEED to be told,for those that blindly follow the negative reports


Yep- and I bet people recover a lot faster when they're not laying there worrying about losing everything- or how they're going to pay off a $50,000-$100,000- $200,000+ hospital bill....

Mrs. Greg-- my job the last two nights has been caring for a year old granddaughter- that is getting over a spell with her reaction to the MMR shots....Not a hard job- just hold her and cuddle her and she's happy- but it makes for some hard one finger typing at times... :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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alice said:
As I remember, you have real problems with hypotheticals when it comes to child birth. :roll:

Alice

Alice- don't you know old grey haired men know more about childbearing and child caring than any woman ever could...Just ask them.. :wink: Thats the reason they don't want women sitting on the courts or making any decisions based on real life situations...
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Looked after 2 people I care about this last week and pretty damned fast too.

Northern Rancher....read his post in Ranch

Hanna...my niece,bad burn on paralised legs,skin graft the day after the burn happened

Plus my new grandaughter was sick at birth and wasn't released until she was perfectly healthy...Kudo's to the Dr's and nurses in the Edmonton Stollery for Hannas care and the Red Deer Special care unit for looking after the baby so well.Saskatoon hospital for the fast action Corey got....

Its not "ALL" bad out there and postive stories NEED to be told,for those that blindly follow the negative reports

Thank God none of them needed an MRI! Or had multiple birth! :wink:
In the last year my daughter in law has received 4 MRI's{watching a spot on her brain} and the special care unit in Red Deer hospital....three sets of multiples...so your informations poor Aplus

Sounds like a tough job looking after that granbaby OT :) Hope shes feeling better
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Yep- and I bet people recover a lot faster when they're not laying there worrying about losing everything- or how they're going to pay off a $50,000-$100,000- $200,000+ hospital bill....

Problem isn't that one that gets the help not having to worry, it is all those sitting at home popping pain pills waiting on surgery or those worrying rather they have cancer or something but can not find out until they get that MRI scheduled 6 months down the road.

Do you not care about the recovery and psychological affects on those that have no idea what is wrong with them? I bet that they would much rather have to worry about a $50,000 bill than worry about if they will die waiting for care!
 

per

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep- and I bet people recover a lot faster when they're not laying there worrying about losing everything- or how they're going to pay off a $50,000-$100,000- $200,000+ hospital bill....

Problem isn't that one that gets the help not having to worry, it is all those sitting at home popping pain pills waiting on surgery or those worrying rather they have cancer or something but can not find out until they get that MRI scheduled 6 months down the road.

Do you not care about the recovery and psychological affects on those that have no idea what is wrong with them? I bet that they would much rather have to worry about a $50,000 bill than worry about if they will die waiting for care!

Alas Aplus, we have the best of both worlds. If you cannot pay you will get free health care and depending on the severity it might be six months. If it is critical it will happen the same day. Then there is the option of getting a private MRI, $700 in both Calgary and Vancouver. As far a multiple births go, drive to the hospital and have the babies. Two first class special care nurseries in our nearest city. I have personal experience in all of the above examples. Although I advocate for health care reform, the basics of our system are sound.
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep- and I bet people recover a lot faster when they're not laying there worrying about losing everything- or how they're going to pay off a $50,000-$100,000- $200,000+ hospital bill....

Problem isn't that one that gets the help not having to worry, it is all those sitting at home popping pain pills waiting on surgery or those worrying rather they have cancer or something but can not find out until they get that MRI scheduled 6 months down the road.

Do you not care about the recovery and psychological affects on those that have no idea what is wrong with them? I bet that they would much rather have to worry about a $50,000 bill than worry about if they will die waiting for care!

Aplus why do you argue about something that you know nothing about you are not in Canada. Try going to the hospital in the US without any insurance and see what happens. A two year old was turned away from a Catholic run hospital in Tyler Texas. She had a 108 degree temperature, and a severe asthma attack. She was then carried to the emergency room of the county run hospital. When she arrived at the county hospital they were very afraid she would code. They did get her through it. But it was touch and go. The reason for turning the child away from the first hospital was the mother did not have her insurance card with her. I can name some more people that lost a loved one because they were turned away. Try buying you some insurance here in the US and check the cost. Before we got on Medicare My wife and my insurance was running $2500 a month. There were no known problems with our health. We paid it for three years. Then we needed it one more year and they jacked the price another $500 a month. I doubt very seriously that you have ever had to deal with the health system as it is now.
 

Silver

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The thing I don't understand is the fear of public health care in the US. The US taxpayer already pays more per capita than Canadians do. So why not look to other countries public health systems and cherry pick the best parts from all, and come up with something that works for the US?
I would think that starting from scratch you could avoid many of the pitfalls we have fallen into and end up with something better than we have and cheaper than you currently have.
Maybe it's my socialistic upbringing, but it seems to me that all people should have equal access to quality health care at reasonable / affordable prices. Seems like a good and proper fixture of a good and proper society.
 

Mrs.Greg

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I'm wondering about the prices...is it the bigger pkgs that include more coverage what determines the cost of individual health care costs in the US?
 
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Anonymous

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AMEN-- Silver and Reader2- and it could be accomplished if we could get everyone to jump in and work on it- instead of some that just have a "NO" attitude because its something new in this country...
 

Bullhauler

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I find it hard to believe that all of the so-called self-employed ranchers on this forum are so opposed to health care reform. Self-employed people get hosed royally on premiums. Also if everything I bought didn't add in the employees health care and if taxes didn't pay all the government employees city, county state and federal. I would be able to easily afford my own health care. I am tired of paying for everybody elses insurance and getting crappy insurance in return.
 
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Anonymous

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Yep- Bullhauler--- and I know of many ranch families where the only reason the wife works in town is so they can get the insurance policy with her job...They'd much rather be home working on the ranch and raising the kids- but need to have insurance coverage as guarantee of not losing the ranch thru a medical emergency...

One of my daughters just took a job with the bank- mainly because of the great health insurance they have- and since her husbands job offers none...Now with a little one- they need the coverage....
I was not happy that she's not going to finish college- but I can see where she is right in getting coverage- so they don't lose everything they've worked for...
 
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Mrs.Greg said:
I'm wondering about the prices...is it the bigger pkgs that include more coverage what determines the cost of individual health care costs in the US?

Mrs. Greg-- to answer your question-- Who Knows :???: I watched the hearings on the health care- with the reps from the insurance companies there-- and they outright admitted they'd been screwing folks...But knowing their rears were on the chopping blocks-promised to quit :roll: And guaranteed they'd start giving health care insurance to everyone- no matter the preexisting conditions...

But in many states- 1 or 2 insurance companies- control 90% of the insurance coverage-- and nationwide there are only about 4 major insurance carriers-- so just like in the cattle business with only 3-4 major packers- there is no competition- and its a license to steal....20 years of mergers- and failure to enforce antitrust laws- have left the insurance companies as one big monopoly- that instead of competing, are working together (many companies overlap parent companies) to lower coverage and raise insurance costs.....

Thats the reason so many believe the government needs to offer a plan- like they do with their employees- and many states do with their employees-- to give the consumer another choice- and hopefully bring some competition back into the insurance industry....
 

Bullhauler

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Yep Oldtimer I wonder why some of these "family values" types don't get behind health care reform. The biggest reason in rural America why the mother has to get a town job is for health insurance.
 

Texan

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Bullhauler said:
I find it hard to believe that all of the so-called self-employed ranchers on this forum are so opposed to health care reform.
I don't remember anybody being opposed to health care reform - just being opposed to a government-run health care. Why don't you bring some quotes from some of them?
 
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