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Jessntx

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Is this the road to socialism, or communism?

“Last week, Obama quietly issued an executive order that, as The Associated Press described, “encourages federal agencies to have construction contractors and subcontractors enter project labor agreements. Those agreements require contractors to negotiate with union officials, recognize union wages and benefits and generally abide by collective-bargaining agreements,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

What does it all mean? Here is an explanation from the same editorial in the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

It means the competitive bidding process for federal contracts, intended to protect taxpayers, is being undermined. It means the 84 percent of construction workers who don’t belong to labor unions will likely be discriminated against; they’ll be left to choose between joining a union and, essentially, not working. It means big labor – which spent millions of dollars helping elect Obama – is getting a huge payoff. It means we should prepare our pocketbooks for even more costly quid pro quo from Obama. Most disturbingly, though, it means exponentially higher labor costs for taxpayer-funded federal government projects at a time when our nation is trying to pull itself out of a fiscal ditch.

What it means is that only union contractors will be able to bid on big federal projects. So non-union workers will get the shaft - even though they make up the great majority of the U.S. workforce.
 

Mike

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Is this the road to socialism, or communism?

The "ROAD"?

This is the "SUPERHIGHWAY" !!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

He's paying the Unions back bigtime for the election............

The "Meskin" truck deal, etc. etc. etc..

WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

TSR

Well-known member
Jessntx said:
Is this the road to socialism, or communism?

“Last week, Obama quietly issued an executive order that, as The Associated Press described, “encourages federal agencies to have construction contractors and subcontractors enter project labor agreements. Those agreements require contractors to negotiate with union officials, recognize union wages and benefits and generally abide by collective-bargaining agreements,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

What does it all mean? Here is an explanation from the same editorial in the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

It means the competitive bidding process for federal contracts, intended to protect taxpayers, is being undermined. It means the 84 percent of construction workers who don’t belong to labor unions will likely be discriminated against; they’ll be left to choose between joining a union and, essentially, not working. It means big labor – which spent millions of dollars helping elect Obama – is getting a huge payoff. It means we should prepare our pocketbooks for even more costly quid pro quo from Obama. Most disturbingly, though, it means exponentially higher labor costs for taxpayer-funded federal government projects at a time when our nation is trying to pull itself out of a fiscal ditch.

What it means is that only union contractors will be able to bid on big federal projects. So non-union workers will get the shaft - even though they make up the great majority of the U.S. workforce.

Soapweed had already posted this earlier. Question: Had you rather see illegals hired who are already receiving every government entitlement that can be had, while at the same time sending the money back to Mexico? I think you'll see unions bidding against unions. BTW is Halliburton a union organization-they were hired under a no-bid contract I believe.
 

Mike

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Question: Had you rather see illegals hired who are already receiving every government entitlement that can be had, while at the same time sending the money back to Mexico?

Who removed the E-Verify from the legislation? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

TexasBred

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TSR said:
Jessntx said:
Is this the road to socialism, or communism?

“Last week, Obama quietly issued an executive order that, as The Associated Press described, “encourages federal agencies to have construction contractors and subcontractors enter project labor agreements. Those agreements require contractors to negotiate with union officials, recognize union wages and benefits and generally abide by collective-bargaining agreements,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

What does it all mean? Here is an explanation from the same editorial in the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

It means the competitive bidding process for federal contracts, intended to protect taxpayers, is being undermined. It means the 84 percent of construction workers who don’t belong to labor unions will likely be discriminated against; they’ll be left to choose between joining a union and, essentially, not working. It means big labor – which spent millions of dollars helping elect Obama – is getting a huge payoff. It means we should prepare our pocketbooks for even more costly quid pro quo from Obama. Most disturbingly, though, it means exponentially higher labor costs for taxpayer-funded federal government projects at a time when our nation is trying to pull itself out of a fiscal ditch.

What it means is that only union contractors will be able to bid on big federal projects. So non-union workers will get the shaft - even though they make up the great majority of the U.S. workforce.

Soapweed had already posted this earlier. Question: Had you rather see illegals hired who are already receiving every government entitlement that can be had, while at the same time sending the money back to Mexico? I think you'll see unions bidding against unions. BTW is Halliburton a union organization-they were hired under a no-bid contract I believe.

Legal reasons for sole source contracts include:

only one firm has a product that will meet the projects needs or only one firm can do the work;
the existence of an unusual and compelling urgency;
for purposes of industrial mobilization or expert services;
an international agreement;
sole source is authorized or required by law, e.g., socio-economic programs;
national security and
the public interest.
 

TSR

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Mike said:
Question: Had you rather see illegals hired who are already receiving every government entitlement that can be had, while at the same time sending the money back to Mexico?

Who removed the E-Verify from the legislation? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Has this legislation been passed yet? I really don't know. I did contact my legislator urging him to vote against the legislation without the E-verify part. Yeah, the US Chamber of Commerce still has many legislators bought out on both sides of the aisle. But I would be willing to bet there aren't many,if any, illegals working for the unions. :wink:
 

Mike

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TSR said:
Mike said:
Question: Had you rather see illegals hired who are already receiving every government entitlement that can be had, while at the same time sending the money back to Mexico?

Who removed the E-Verify from the legislation? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Has this legislation been passed yet? I really don't know. I did contact my legislator urging him to vote against the legislation without the E-verify part. Yeah, the US Chamber of Commerce still has many legislators bought out on both sides of the aisle. But I would be willing to bet there aren't many,if any, illegals working for the unions. :wink:

Unions are recruiting immigrants like crazy..................... legal AND illegal.
 

TSR

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Mike said:
TSR said:
Mike said:
Who removed the E-Verify from the legislation? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Has this legislation been passed yet? I really don't know. I did contact my legislator urging him to vote against the legislation without the E-verify part. Yeah, the US Chamber of Commerce still has many legislators bought out on both sides of the aisle. But I would be willing to bet there aren't many,if any, illegals working for the unions. :wink:

Unions are recruiting immigrants like crazy..................... legal AND illegal.

I have no problem with legal immigrants belonging to unions. Illegals I do. Do you have a good source to show us where unions are taking in illegals- the numbers and the unions. BTW with id fraud as rampant as it is I'm sure there are a few illegals in the union ranks but I would be wiling to bet they are a very small minority.
 

Mike

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IMMIGRANTS IN FLORIDA
Unions want to bring illegal immigrants into fold
In a 180-degree shift from the past, they call for legalizing guest workers. But some unions disagree.

By DEVONA WALKER


Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 at 1:00 a.m.


If you can't beat them, organize them.

For decades, the nation's unions have regarded illegal immigrants -- willing to work for wages that union members won't -- as the paramount nail in the coffin for the labor movement. Guest worker programs have been characterized as the ultimate example of the plantation complex.

But now, with shrinking ranks, a magnified disconnect between leadership and rank-and-file members, globalization and a rapidly growing Latino work force, many unions are changing their tune, and hastily.

Some of the nation's largest labor organizations are calling for legalization of all the nation's undocumented workers and have conceded the guest worker issue.

"There is no good reason why any immigrant who comes to this country prepared to work, to pay taxes, and to abide by our laws and rules should be denied what has been offered to immigrants throughout our country's history -- a path to legal citizenship," said Ana Avendano, assistant general counsel for the AFL-CIO, which represents 53 unions nationally.

The AFL-CIO and the Change to Win coalition, collectively representing about 15 million workers, or about 12.7 percent of the U.S. labor force, say undocumented workers need to be brought into the fold.

That 180-degree shift in strategy provides a wealth of recruitment potential in bellwether states like Florida. Only about 6 percent of the Sunshine State's total work force is unionized. Only 2 percent of its all-important construction industry is organized compared with 13 percent nationwide.

But the unions' changing views have angered many of its members, especially workers on the front lines: manufacturing, transportation and the automotive industry.

Anti-immigration pundits say the phenomenon is indicative of unions' diminishing importance in 21st-century America and the groups' struggle to remain relevant.

A "cynical and desperate plea to get new customers" is how John Keeley describes it.

"Unions have diminished since the 1970s. I mean 'Look for the Union Label' doesn't have the same meaning anymore," said Keeley, a spokesman for the anti-immigration think tank the Center for Immigration Studies. "There's a real and growing splinter over the immigration issue. It's the ultimate reversal of policy."

"They've willingly surrendered on the driving issue of their formation."

Keeley maintains that it is philosophically and logistically impossible to simultaneously promote workers' rights and immigration.

Avendano acknowledges that there has been resistance to the AFL-CIO's stance.

"It is true that at the ground level there has been resistance, because the main tactic for corporations is to pit workers against each other," Avendano said. "At the end of the day, the fact that we are all workers here, we hope we will be able to overcome the division."

During the past few months, there has been continued squabbling between the Laborer's International Union of North America and the Service Employees International Union over guest worker visas.

Both are Change to Win coalition members.

In April, Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican and likely presidential candidate, was nearly booed off stage addressing several hundred AFL-CIO members when he suggested that immigrants were simply doing work that none of them wanted to do.

But not all unions that form the AFL-CIO agree with its position.

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, among the largest of the AFL-CIO unions, is one. The IBEW represents about 750,000 members in utilities, construction, telecommunications, broadcasting, manufacturing, railroads, government and other job sectors.

"We are really struggling with immigration," spokesman Jim Spellane said.

"It's all beginning to be this one, seamless, endless factor. And there's a lot of economic insecurity, a lot of fear, and that's fueling the immigration debate right now."

Perhaps the deepest immigration rift surrounds the guest worker issue, with many unions conceding the point only as a last resort.

"Our mission was to mitigate damage at that point," Avendano said. "Our ultimate goal is to convert guest workers into citizens."

As strong as its weakest link

Southern states have never been fertile union ground.

That is particularly true in Florida, a place where many businesses have moved because of the lack of organized labor and low wages.

The only states with less union representation are the Carolinas, Utah, Idaho and Mississippi, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports.

Union workers on average earn about 16 percent more than non-union workers. Wages in Florida, though recently rising at a faster rate, still lag significantly behind the national average.

Unions could capitalize on those historical opportunities, making Florida a prime organizing target.

In addition to being virtually untapped territory, Florida also possesses rapidly growing immigrant numbers and growth in general, said Eliseo Medina, vice president of the SEIU, the service employees union.

Florida is the nation's fourth-largest state with nearly 18 million people.

"There's no question we are going to have to organize and bring immigrants into our ranks," Medina said. "If we don't, we are going to become irrelevant because we are not going to be representing the work force."

Medina thinks Florida's anti-union reputation is often overstated.

"I think the anti-union sentiment gets overblown, but the need -- and there is real need -- is not emphasized."

In June, about 100 University of Miami janitors won the right to join SEIU after a nine-week walkout at which students, clergy and community leaders joined striking janitors.

In Tampa, also last month, the IBEW won the right to represent workers at the Tampa operations of MasTec Inc., shoring up its ranks by 1,000 new members.

"In terms of demographics, growth and politics, Florida is the face of America's future," Spellane said.

"If you concede a state like that, you really put yourself at a disadvantage."

Ripe for Latino recruiting

Spellane points a number of factors that make Florida unique among Southern states and ripe for unionization, especially among Latinos:

Companies in the Sunshine State are experiencing ongoing labor shortages in skilled job sectors, providing workers with considerably more bargaining leverage.

Florida is home to a very large number of well-organized Hispanics. They are ethnically diverse, relatively skilled and working in many core job sectors where unions traditionally organize.

There are 3.25 million Hispanics in Florida. About 73 percent have at least a high school diploma; nationally that figure is only about 60 percent.

Nearly 90 percent of Florida's Hispanic population works in the private sector.

But regardless of the potential, making the union pitch will be no easy sell in Florida.

The most significant obstacle is the fact that Florida is a "right to work" state, meaning unions cannot compel anyone to pay dues.

Unions also have a somewhat checkered history with Latino immigrants, especially illegal immigrants. It is part of what makes the organizations' recent changing immigration views so surprising: Immigrant workers have been both ignored and denigrated by some unions for decades.

That issue is not going to be an easy hurdle to leap, said Enrique Gallardo, staff counsel for the Latino Issues Forum, a California-based public policy organization.

"There may be resistance because of the failure on the part of the unions to reach out to these communities," Gallardo said. "They've been exclusionary and have tried to reserve benefits only for their members."

Immigrants also might associate unions in the United States with those in Mexico, which were typically corrupt and run by the government, Gallardo said.

"I can see immigrants being afraid of organizing -- even those who have documents. There is a psychology of fear, of losing their status or being deported, or just losing their job. Many come from an environment where they are afraid to stick their necks out," Gallardo said. "And the unions in Mexico are so corrupt that it's not even correct to call them unions."

Despite those concerns, some unions already have convinced larger numbers of Hispanics to join the fold: the SEIU counts Hispanic immigrants as 25 percent of its membership.

In the final analysis, the numbers might be too big for unions to ignore: There are about 42 million Hispanics in the United States. Collectively they represent more than 40 percent of the growth in the U.S. labor market, the Pew Hispanic Center reports.
 

Mike

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Labor Unions Now Recruiting Immigrant Workers
by Jennifer Ludden

NPR

All Things Considered, November 4, 2008 · Times are changing when it comes to labor unions and immigrant workers.

For more than a century, organized labor has had a wary attitude toward immigrant workers. The reasoning was that the more foreign workers in the labor market, the less bargaining power for unions — especially if those workers were undocumented and easily exploited.

But in recent years, some labor unions have made a dramatic shift: They're now recruiting immigrants, no matter their legal status.

Join The Union

In the mid-1990s, Gig Rittenauer was a roofer in Ohio and a loyal member of the United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers. He was frustrated by the increasing number of immigrants he'd see staffing construction jobs. So Rittenauer and some colleagues started keeping cameras in their cars and paying random visits to work sites.

"We'd take pictures," says Rittenauer. "It really drives 'em off, because they know that they're illegal. And that was a ploy just to scare 'em really."

The ploy made Rittenauer feel like he was having an effect protecting his union job. But eventually he realized the immigrant workers weren't going away for good — and the federal government wasn't going to make them.

That's when Rittenauer decided that if an immigrant is here working anyway, it is best if he joins the union.

"If he doesn't, he's going to continue to do our work for much less wage and benefits, probably no benefits," he says. "And it's just the nature of the beast. You either rise people up, or you let 'em pull you down."

These days, Rittenauer travels the country recruiting for the roofers union.

Recruiting In Baton Rouge

On a recent trip to Baton Rouge, where Hurricane Katrina brought a rush of Hispanic workers and Hurricane Gustav has kept them there, Rittenauer and colleague Baldo Diaz find roofers on lunch break at a construction site.

The recruiters ask about a dozen Hispanic roofers how things are going. The roofers union does not check workers' legal status, but Rittenauer says the companies he sends them to likely will.

Diaz then launches into the benefits of union membership: better salaries, benefits, even a pension.

The men give him blank stares. A few look skeptical. Diaz says not all Latin American countries have unions in the construction industry.

And he says there are many challenges in recruiting recent immigrants.

"They want to send money to their families back home. And if there isn't always enough work to go around, they don't want to wait for the next union job," Diaz says.

Unorganizable?

Undocumented workers in particular have long been considered "unorganizable," according to Ruth Milkman, who heads UCLA's Institute for Research on Labor and Employment.

Milkman says that not only is it assumed these workers are here temporarily and therefore not interested in investing in a union, but that they're also too worried that if their legal status were discovered, they'd be fired.

Milkman says these are real concerns. And stepped-up federal immigration raids have probably heightened fears. But Milkman says recruiters have learned something else, too.

"As one immigrant worker I once interviewed told me, she said 'In [El Salvador], if you organize a union, they kill you,' " she says. "Here, you lose a job that pays the minimum wage."

In fact, Milkman says, studies show foreign-born workers are more receptive to joining a union than the native born.

And she's seen that eagerness grow since the spring of 2006. That's when immigrant workers flooded the streets of major cities, pushing Congress to overhaul immigration laws. Milkman says the labor movement took note.

"Here they are in a situation where union density is going down, down, down every year. And you see literally millions of people in the streets, demanding their rights, organizing collectively," Milkman says. "Anybody in the labor movement who hadn't gotten it before that, about immigrant organizing, certainly did appreciate the potential."

But the notion of expanding union membership with undocumented immigrants does not sit well with everyone.

Pushback

In a company-provided trailer in Port Allen, La., a few members of the roofers union watch a Saints game. Andrew McIsaac moved here from Detroit. He loves his job. He does not think illegal immigrants should be allowed in the union.

"It's hard for our next generation, our kids, to come in here and to have illegal immigrants taking the jobs for our kids," McIsaac says.

His colleague, John Owczarski, agrees. He says both his parents were immigrants and came legally.

But what about wage and hour protections? Federal law applies them equally, regardless of legal status. Owczarski says that makes sense.

"If they're doing the same work and they're as skilled, yeah, they should get the same wages, 'cause you know why? If they're gonna do it for a dollar, I'm doing it for 15 bucks an hour, that's hurting me. Yeah, absolutely."

But should that same illegal immigrant be able to join the union?

"No," Owczarski says.

Even as recruiter Rittenauer tries to persuade immigrants to join the roofers union, he says he has more work to do persuading native-born members why this is a good thing. But he's clear in his mind who the enemy is.

"I think I see more contractors that take advantage of the immigrants because they know they can. So I think it's more the contractor that's taking the jobs from Americans than it is the immigrants," Rittenauer says.

Rittenauer figures the more immigrant workers who join unions, the fewer there will be for bad-apple contractors to exploit.


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Mike

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Unions get behind illegal workers
AFL-CIO lends hand to day laborers with offers of aid, advocacy
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By Christian Zappone, CNNMoney.com staff writer
August 17 2006: 1:57 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- As politicians grapple with the thorny immigration issue, unions are stepping into the debate on the side of illegal immigrant labor.

Last week, the AFL-CIO signed what it calls a "historic partnership agreement" with the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, an association of 40 worker centers nationwide.



Under the agreement local AFL-CIO unions will be allowed to establish formal ties with the local worker centers. The unions then work with and defend the NDLON centers as they seek decent labor standards and working conditions for their illegal workers.

The NDLON sprung up in 2000 as a collaborative effort between community-based organizations' worker centers that support day laborers - overwhelmingly poor, illegal immigrants from Latin America - by providing meeting spaces, staff to handle workplace violations, and access to healthcare, English classes and workers' rights education.

Under the agreement, the AFL-CIO will also combat anti-immigration legislation and pursue immigration reform with a "clear path" to citizenship.

By offering the advantages of organized labor, without actually unionizing the illegals, the AFL-CIO also hopes to raise the wage floor in the local labor markets and in turn take pressure off wages paid to local union members, too.

"In many ways this is unprecedented for the modern labor movement," said labor historian Joseph A. McCartin, of Georgetown University. "The AFL-CIO was for immigration enforcement in 1999."

McCartin says the labor movement must reinvent itself in this way if it wants to continue after years of declining influence.

Day laborers represent a sliver of all illegal workers in the United States. There are an estimated 117,000 day laborers in the U.S. economy, according to a 2006 National Day Labor Study. About half are employed by homeowners, while 43 percent work as construction contractors.

Fractured labor movement
The AFL-CIO announced the agreement a year after seven dissident unions broke off from the organization over disagreements about recruitment strategies and funding priorities.

The dissident unions formed the Change to Win coalition.

"The AFL-CIO's alliance with NDLON can be seen as a response to the Change to Win split," McCartin explained. "The SEIU (of the Change to Win coalition) has made special efforts to organize immigrant workers."

A day after the AFL-CIO announcement, Laborers International, a construction trade member of Change to Win, went a step further than the AFL-CIO by announcing plans to begin organizing undocumented workers in the residential construction industry in California beginning in 2007.

"For us it's a matter of mission and relevance," said Richard Greer, spokesman for the Laborers International, who said it had been planning the move for some time.

"Our mission is to help construction laborers lead better lives...If the workforce is predominately immigrant, then we can't represent construction workers if we don't represent their needs," he said.

Greer notes undocumented workers are among the lowest paid and most mistreated in the industry.

Familiar ground
McCartin of Georgetown sees historical parallels between where the labor movement is today and where it was in the beginning of the 20th century.

Both periods were marked by years of declining membership and a surge of immigrant labor entering the market, he said.

"Before WW I there was no restriction (on the number of) documented workers. Labor was welcomed and flooding into US."

In the 1920s, the unions grew by actively recruiting that labor, McCartin said.

Ana Avendaño, director of AFL-CIO Immigrant Worker Program, concurs.

"These workers are acting collectively to raise the minimum wage right now. They're acting like trade unionists at the turn of the last century."

Rank-and-file reaction
Talk of aiding illegal immigrants, as the AFL-CIO will, or organizing them as Change-To-Win plans, immediately raises questions of a cultural backlash among existing union members.

"There are members, to be sure, who feel strongly that the union shouldn't welcome undocumented workers," Greer of Laborers International says.

But he points out that Laborers International has done internal polling on the subject and found that while some members will oppose the recruitment of undocumented workers, 70 percent think there should be a path to citizenship for them.

A sampling of unionists found similar responses.

"We agree with the basic gist of what the AFL-CIO is doing. The undocumented workers are bettering themselves," said Robert Hamner, IBEW union organizer in Birmingham, Ala. "The only problem I have is that we would certainly rather have legal immigrants."

Hamner is quick to point out, however, that the issue of undocumented workers extends beyond the labor market to matters of border control and national security.

Knowing who is on the construction site is another reason Greer gives for why the Laborers International will organize undocumented workers.

"Anecdotally, some in the building trades are upset," said Robert Shaw of the Harris County AFL-CIO Council in Houston. "But some non-union commercial contractors are upset because they can't compete with the low wages as they are."

Half of the day laborers surveyed in the National Day Labor Study report having wages withheld from them by unscrupulous contractors.

Their annual income hovers around $15,000 a year, according to the study.

Shaw, who works near a bus station in Houston, said he sees undocumented workers departing for Atlanta every day. From Atlanta they travel to cities throughout the eastern half of the U.S., he says.

He admits voters may not like the idea of unions organizing illegal workers but he says unions have to help day laborers to keep the wage floor up, which affects all workers in America.

"We're having to deal with the wage floor," Shaw said, which in Houston has plummeted over the years. "It worries me to death."

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Mike

Well-known member
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) head Julie Myers at the University of Chicago Legal Forum, apparently in October 2006:

As labor unions increasingly provide representation for undocumented workers, [Myers] said, "we need to look at" unions' violations of the boundary between "charitable assistance and the unlawful employment of aliens." Several lawyers were soon on the phone with labor officials trying to figure out what she meant. Is an ICE crackdown on labor organizing drives imminent? Was one already under way? Were unions harboring undocumented immigrants in violation of the law?
 

Mike

Well-known member
The unions continue to abandon their American workers in an effort to increase their membership dues and the size of their organizations. It is well known that in this country of supply and demand when you import millions of workers, wages will drop and working conditions will deteriorate for those already here.

And it's not just the AFL-CIO. Last month at a rally against Mexican trucks being allowed to roam the whole of the US without oversight - a rally at which American truckers with the teamsters protested - the Teamsters union was seen handing out enrollment forms to these Mexican trucks drivers as they came across the border.

The travesty and outrage of all of this though is that they are willing to court illegal aliens from a foreign nation who have broken our laws in their greedy efforts to remain relevant. If you needed any more proof that unions have become nothing more than extortionist, anti-American organizations you need read no further than the first few paragraphs in the story below.

Sacramento Bee



In a small office tucked inside a southeast Sacramento warehouse, a journeyman with Oakland-based Roofers Union Local 81 told apprentices — in English and Spanish — to listen up.

Teaching a bilingual seminar for union members puts Victor Garrido on the front lines of his AFL-CIO-based union’s push to recruit immigrants, including the undocumented, with guarantees of better pay, career development, pensions and health insurance.

It’s a survival tactic for unions, whose leaders see their foreign-born membership increasing and argue that inclusiveness protects all workers. But it’s one that can confound not just outsiders but some union rank and file, who fear the presence of illegal immigrants in general erodes working conditions.



And workers have every reason to fear this act by someone who is supposed to be looking out for them. When someone who supposedly represents you is willing to sell you up the river in order for their own benefit then you should abandon them. Hmm, this sort of sounds like the Senate and half the House come to think of it.
 

TSR

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Mike the only number I saw was 117,000 of which 43% were in the construction business~50K, and no percentages of actual membership was given. Of course recruitment continues I suppose. I hope the unions do run into trouble with ICE if they are harboring illegals and as you know I am pro union but I am also pro enforcement of our laws.
 

Mike

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TSR said:
Mike the only number I saw was 117,000 of which 43% were in the construction business~50K, and no percentages of actual membership was given. Of course recruitment continues I suppose. I hope the unions do run into trouble with ICE if they are harboring illegals and as you know I am pro union but I am also pro enforcement of our laws.

Ya think the Unions are gonna admit or PUBLISH the number of illegal members they have? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

All the Union leaders want are dues (lots of dues) ....and access to the worker's pension plan............... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hypocritexposer

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Pelosi: Immigration Enforcement "Un-American"

Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 @10:12am CST

(San Francisco, CA) -- Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi says t he enforcement of existing immigration laws is "un-American." Pelosi made the comments before a group of both legal and illegal immigrants and their families in San Francisco recently.

While condemning raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Pelosi said, quote, "who in in this country would not want to change a policy of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families? It must be stopped....What value system is that? I think it's un-American." Speaking before a mostly Hispanic gathering at a San Francisco church, the Speaker went on to call the immigrants, quote, "very, very patriotic" while telling the crowd they were, quote, "taking responsibility for our country's future. "

Not everyone in the crowd was pleased with Pelosi's sentiments.

Rick Oltman, with Californians for Population Stabilization, said he was embarrassed by what Pelosi said.

Oltman charged the speaker with pandering to the crowd by exhorting illegals for taking responsibility for our country's future.

Oltman said Pelosi was insulting American citizens who consider themselves to be patriotic and obey the rule of law.
 

Chuck

Active member
Mike said:
All the Union leaders want are dues (lots of dues) ....and access to the worker's pension plan............... :lol: :lol: :lol:
There you have it. I'm a Teamster. I don't have a choice anymore, it's required now to work for my employer. My B.A. would enroll Satan if he could collect his initiation fee and dues.
 
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