• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

out of control

Help Support Ranchers.net:

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
I just saw President Bush standing in front of group of military (again) claiming he started the Iraqi war to "liberate the the Iraqi people." Yesterday, national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley spent a good deal of time claiming that the WMD intelligence was a valid excuse for the invasion! These guys can't get their stories straight. It's no wonder more than half of Americans say Bush isn't honest.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
28,971
Reaction score
274
Location
NE WY at the foot of the Big Horn mountains
Oh, yeah? Or is that that 10% of the people (LIKE YOURSELF) do 100% of the whining so that equals 50% in your mind (and the minds of all the liberals whose crap you choose to read)?

What you stated is opinion, nothing more. And honey buns, I'm not buying it.
 

wdcook

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 10, 2005
Messages
209
Reaction score
0
Location
NE MO
November 11, 2005, 8:33 a.m.
The Gullible Party
If Bush lied, it stands to reason that Democrats who followed are all naifs, foolishly drawn to the seductions of a charlatan.

Read the rest at; http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp If you are following those suckers, Dis, what does that make you?
 

wdcook

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 10, 2005
Messages
209
Reaction score
0
Location
NE MO
the liberal Dem's now; Bush lied. the liberal Dem's then; http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bushlied.htm
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
Faster horses said:
Oh, yeah? Or is that that 10% of the people (LIKE YOURSELF) do 100% of the whining so that equals 50% in your mind (and the minds of all the liberals whose crap you choose to read)?

What you stated is opinion, nothing more. And honey buns, I'm not buying it.

I'm so glad to have you back, Faster Horses. Most everyone else has stopped challenging me and I do love to post these polls! :) This is not my "opinion". Read it and weep:

"All of those concerns are cutting into traditional Bush strengths.
Almost six in 10 now say Bush is not honest, and a similar
number say his administration does not have high ethical standards."

Link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll;_ylt=Aj9DqJZCzh6VJOXNffE3e2wGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

My emphasis.
 

mp.freelance

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
502
Reaction score
0
Location
Oregon
Most everyone else has stopped challenging me and I do love to post these polls!
That's cause you're boring, not because you've convinced anybody. Hate to break it to you, Dis, but you sound like a broken record. You live in this fantasy where everybody is as obsessed with Bush as you are - except in reverse - and it's your duty to convince them otherwise. I've said this time and again: Bush is no genius, and he's managed to screw a lot of things up. But we're still better off with him than Clinton or Kerry. Everyone knows his poll numbers are way down - you're not the only one with a computer, radio or TV, so why do you keep trying to enlighten everyone? It's just annoying.
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
mp.freelance said:
Most everyone else has stopped challenging me and I do love to post these polls!
That's cause you're boring, not because you've convinced anybody. Hate to break it to you, Dis, but you sound like a broken record. You live in this fantasy where everybody is as obsessed with Bush as you are - except in reverse - and it's your duty to convince them otherwise. I've said this time and again: Bush is no genius, and he's managed to screw a lot of things up. But we're still better off with him than Clinton or Kerry. Everyone knows his poll numbers are way down - you're not the only one with a computer, radio or TV, so why do you keep trying to enlighten everyone? It's just annoying.

Thank you this post, mp. It made me laugh. :D
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
28,971
Reaction score
274
Location
NE WY at the foot of the Big Horn mountains
Your sense of humor is as quirky as you are.

I wondered if you had noticed barely anyone is reading your junk, and no one is responding. Why don't you go do something useful? Surely you could make SOME positive contribution to society...
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
Faster horses said:
Your sense of humor is as quirky as you are.

I wondered if you had noticed barely anyone is reading your junk, and no one is responding. Why don't you go do something useful? Surely you could make SOME positive contribution to society...

Oh, they're reading it all right. The board shows how many times posts or threads have been viewed and mine get viewed. Suites me fine if no one responds. I can continue to post my polls showing Bush's slide, articles from real Conservatives who don't agree with him, and Democratic moves to make Republicans either stand by an unpopular President Bush before the election next year or break with him publically

You responded. :)
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
Faster horses said:
Finally I did respond. After seeing all the junk you post and post and post. You are like a dog with a bone...

And I'll continue to post and post about how George W. Bush got us into this quagmire in Iraq. About how Billions of American dollars are being stolen and misspent in Iraq. And all the while hurricane survirors in Florida and on the Gulf Coast are still living in shelters!

Or here's a story about how the Middle East is on the road to democracy:

The US donates $50 million to a fund to promote economic enterprise, half the total donations. Only two (2) Arab countries donated. Where’s the love, the appreciation for the US? Link below; my emphasis.

A U.S.-backed Mideast democracy and development summit ended in rancor Saturday despite adoption of two initiatives that are part of President Bush’s push to expand political freedom in a region dominated by monarchies and effective single-party rule.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051112/ap_on_re_mi_ea/rice
 

mp.freelance

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
502
Reaction score
0
Location
Oregon
Dis, I'm sincerely curious - this isn't an ad hominem attack:

Suppose your dream comes true. Republicans are voted out of office. Bush and Cheney are impeached and are replaced with Democrats. We pull out of Iraq. IF things continue their downward spiral regardess, would you hold Democrats as accountable as you hold Bush?
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
mp.freelance said:
Dis, I'm sincerely curious - this isn't an ad hominem attack:

Suppose your dream comes true. Republicans are voted out of office. Bush and Cheney are impeached and are replaced with Democrats. We pull out of Iraq. IF things continue their downward spiral regardess, would you hold Democrats as accountable as you hold Bush?

If what things continue in their downward spiral? Iraq?
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
mp.freelance said:
General unrest - the middle east, terrorism, etc.

IMO, Bush has done serious damage to the reputation of my country. We no longer have any moral grounds to try to tell other people or nations how to conduct their business. If things continue to go wrong in Iraq, yes, I'll lay the blame at his doorstep for a long, long time. I think it will be years before any Administration can repair the damage Bush has done to our relationships with countries that were once our allies and friends, not to mention our enemies. I think his invasion of Iraq is, at least partly, responsible for Iran electing a hard liner recently.
 

mp.freelance

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
502
Reaction score
0
Location
Oregon
So, are you denying 9/11 was plotted well before Bush was president? Are you saying all the problems in the Middle East didn't exist beforehand? You're taking the easy way out by blaming Bush for all the world's ills.
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
mp.freelance said:
So, are you denying 9/11 was plotted well before Bush was president? Are you saying all the problems in the Middle East didn't exist beforehand? You're taking the easy way out by blaming Bush for all the world's ills.

Shame on you for trying to put words in my mouth. Shame on you for trying to spin a war that has cost us over 2,000 American lives, billions of American dollars and much of our prestige with the world. 9-11 has nothing to do with Iraq. George W. Bush, himself, has said there's no proof Saddam had anything to do with 9-11. Yet he used 9-11, the worst attack ever on our mainland, as an excuse to attack Iraq, just as he continues to use our military as props for his speeches. Apparently that doesn't bother you. I might even be able to live with that if he had managed his war properly. But he hasn't. The Bush Bunch refused to listen to professional soldiers. They sent our troops in without their armored vehicles and undermanned, believing their own hype that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms. Their plan was to get in and out quick and cheap. Too many Americans have paid with their lives for the stupidity and miscalculation of these people. No one has been held responsible for the misjudgments! :mad: Rumsfeld is still Sec of Def, Wolfowitz has been promoted! And yet Americans continue to die.
 

mp.freelance

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
502
Reaction score
0
Location
Oregon
Shame on you for trying to put words in my mouth. Shame on you for trying to spin a war that has cost us over 2,000 American lives

Geez, do you realize you sound like a school marm: shame on you for this, shame on you for that...

George W. Bush, himself, has said there's no proof Saddam had anything to do with 9-11. Yet he used 9-11, the worst attack ever on our mainland, as an excuse to attack Iraq, just as he continues to use our military as props for his speeches. Apparently that doesn't bother you.

Whether there was any connection between Iraq and Al-qaeda is irrelevant, since Saddam would have eventually found a way to help them if we'd let him stay in power post-9/11. He'd try to undermine our efforts in the war on terrorism every chance he got. We're better off without him, and that's that. Sure there are other wackos out there, but from a strategic position, the removal of Saddam was the most palatable choice (rather than Syria, Iran, or N. Korea) because he was openly enemy.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Messages
10,861
Reaction score
4
Freelance:

If you're a journalist...you are sure making a lot prophecy on about Saddam "would have" done....how do you know that he would do ' this' or 'that' concerning Al-qaeda or future weapons and attack...

Shame on you for such speculation!! There is an old saying....that you keep your friends close...but your enemies closer!! We kept Saddam close for yrs....but now we've open an ant hill!! And you may or may not know....when you kick open an ant hill.....they just spread out and form more colonies.
 

Disagreeable

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 4, 2005
Messages
2,464
Reaction score
0
mp.freelance said:
Whether there was any connection between Iraq and Al-qaeda is irrelevant, since Saddam would have eventually found a way to help them if we'd let him stay in power post-9/11. He'd try to undermine our efforts in the war on terrorism every chance he got. We're better off without him, and that's that.

It's only irrelevant to those who support Bush blindly. To anyone who thinks our soldiers shouldn't be sent off to die on a President's whim, it's very relavent.

Sure there are other wackos out there, but from a strategic position, the removal of Saddam was the most palatable choice (rather than Syria, Iran, or N. Korea) because he was openly enemy.

So you're a military specialist now? Then why aren't you in uniform if you're so informed about military strategy? North Korea is not our friend, they actually have a nuke program, and thousands of their people die from starvation every year. Yet you say it was better to go after Saddam? Iran is not our friend. They recently elected a hard liner as their leader. They actually have a nuke program. Why didn't Bush go after them?

You know the reason as well as I do: Bush wanted Saddam. He wanted to do something Daddy didn't do. The fact that Iraq sat on huge oil reserves for his pals made it even better.
 

Latest posts

Top