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Out of Iraq.

Tam

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Tonight after Obama made his speech about the withdraw from Iraq. The topic of WMD came up and how the US never found any. We all know how the Dems want to blame everything on Bush especially about going into Iraq and not finding any WMD. I guess Bush should not have counted on these people knowing what they were talking about. :wink:



"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"
Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

Now they say Bush was wrong :roll: . If Bush had not gone in to Iraq and Sadam would have used WMD on the US they would have been saying WE TOLD YOU HE HAD THEM. Funny how the Dems seem to have a short memory to what they have said in the past. :roll:
 

Whitewing

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I'm more concerned about what this guy said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_igpyewuzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yAt6SoZbkE&feature=related
 

Steve

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Biden said: "If you really go back and take a look at this, you can argue the surge made possible what was the most significant thing that occurred --

"I am very optimistic about Iraq," he said. "I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration."

The vice president also took credit for the troop drawdown.

maybe some could "Please refresh my memory and explain what earth-shattering Iraqi policies Obama/Biden implemented?"
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Steve said:
Biden said: "If you really go back and take a look at this, you can argue the surge made possible what was the most significant thing that occurred --

"I am very optimistic about Iraq," he said. "I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration."

The vice president also took credit for the troop drawdown.

maybe some could "Please refresh my memory and explain what earth-shattering Iraqi policies Obama/Biden implemented?"

Obama is simply following, to the letter, formal agreements that GWB signed with the president of Iraq re US troops withdrawals.

Biden is an idiot.
 

Texan

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Sorry to have to scold you in public, Tam - but if you're going to provide quotes about WMD's in Iraq, you need to do a more thorough job. You missed a few good quotes from 2006 when it was announced that chemical weapons were found.

I realize that these sound like they came from Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, but I double-checked and they actually came from one of our own neocon hawks here at Ranchers:

Oldtimer said:
Yep- 500 units of sarin and mustard gas-- but the liberals are saying that don't count because its old stuff :???: :roll: :mad:

Old sarin gas still kills ....

Oldtimer said:
I still agree with the talking head generals- much of it was moved out of country pre war- possibly Syria or Russia.....

Oldtimer said:
...my worry is that Saddam had the Russian black market remove and sell them for him and they are now waiting in some Al Quaeda or Muslim stronghold to be used in the US- or maybe Canada - or some other free world area...

Oldtimer said:
Just because they are not in deliverable weapons at this second does not mean they could not have been made ready- and Saddam was to have no chemical weapons- and claimed he had none...A supply of Sarin gas in not "no chemical weapons" in my view.....Tell me why you think he had a supply of Sarin gas around :???: ...

http://ranchers.net/forum/post-120165.html#120165
 
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The WMD's that Santorum was speaking about had nothing to do with why we went to Iraq. These were buried munitions from the iran iraq war from the 80's.

We never have found the WMD's that Bush, Cheney, Powell and all of the Jew Neocons said they knew existed. They flat lied.

Any of you Neocons think we found these WMD's at this point really need to seek counseling.
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Tam said:
Tonight after Obama made his speech about the withdraw from Iraq. The topic of WMD came up and how the US never found any. We all know how the Dems want to blame everything on Bush especially about going into Iraq and not finding any WMD. I guess Bush should not have counted on these people knowing what they were talking about. :wink:



"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"
Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

Now they say Bush was wrong :roll: . If Bush had not gone in to Iraq and Sadam would have used WMD on the US they would have been saying WE TOLD YOU HE HAD THEM. Funny how the Dems seem to have a short memory to what they have said in the past. :roll:
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Texan said:
Sorry to have to scold you in public, Tam - but if you're going to provide quotes about WMD's in Iraq, you need to do a more thorough job. You missed a few good quotes from 2006 when it was announced that chemical weapons were found.

I realize that these sound like they came from Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, but I double-checked and they actually came from one of our own neocon hawks here at Ranchers:

Oldtimer said:
Yep- 500 units of sarin and mustard gas-- but the liberals are saying that don't count because its old stuff :???: :roll: :mad:

Old sarin gas still kills ....

Oldtimer said:
I still agree with the talking head generals- much of it was moved out of country pre war- possibly Syria or Russia.....

Oldtimer said:
...my worry is that Saddam had the Russian black market remove and sell them for him and they are now waiting in some Al Quaeda or Muslim stronghold to be used in the US- or maybe Canada - or some other free world area...

Oldtimer said:
Just because they are not in deliverable weapons at this second does not mean they could not have been made ready- and Saddam was to have no chemical weapons- and claimed he had none...A supply of Sarin gas in not "no chemical weapons" in my view.....Tell me why you think he had a supply of Sarin gas around :???: ...

http://ranchers.net/forum/post-120165.html#120165
 

Tam

Well-known member
Texan said:
Sorry to have to scold you in public, Tam - but if you're going to provide quotes about WMD's in Iraq, you need to do a more thorough job. You missed a few good quotes from 2006 when it was announced that chemical weapons were found.

I realize that these sound like they came from Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, but I double-checked and they actually came from one of our own neocon hawks here at Ranchers:

Oldtimer said:
Yep- 500 units of sarin and mustard gas-- but the liberals are saying that don't count because its old stuff :???: :roll: :mad:

Old sarin gas still kills ....

Oldtimer said:
I still agree with the talking head generals- much of it was moved out of country pre war- possibly Syria or Russia.....

Oldtimer said:
...my worry is that Saddam had the Russian black market remove and sell them for him and they are now waiting in some Al Quaeda or Muslim stronghold to be used in the US- or maybe Canada - or some other free world area...

Oldtimer said:
Just because they are not in deliverable weapons at this second does not mean they could not have been made ready- and Saddam was to have no chemical weapons- and claimed he had none...A supply of Sarin gas in not "no chemical weapons" in my view.....Tell me why you think he had a supply of Sarin gas around :???: ...

http://ranchers.net/forum/post-120165.html#120165

I'm sorry :oops: I stand corrected on the full list of leftwingnut WMD quotes. :wink:
 

Tam

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shaumei said:
Tam,

did we find the wmd's we went to war over? if so, what were they?

I asked you a question that you have yet to answer so if you want to ask a question of me go back and answer mine FIRST. :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
Tam,

did we find the wmd's we went to war over? if so, what were they?

How would we know? Doesn't the media manipulate the truth, so they can control both parties and us?


And then you would have to come to a consensus on the definition of WMD.

the obama DOJ has indicted a coupld of people of posessing WMD in the US, in the last couple of years. Are you saying that what they had in there posession was not found in Iraq?

Are you defining WMD in a political sense or technical?
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
shaumei said:
Tam,

did we find the wmd's we went to war over? if so, what were they?

How would we know? Doesn't the media manipulate the truth, so they can control both parties and us?


And then you would have to come to a consensus on the definition of WMD.

the obama DOJ has indicted a coupld of people of posessing WMD in the US, in the last couple of years. Are you saying that what they had in there posession was not found in Iraq?

Are you defining WMD in a political sense or technical?

I'm with Hypo on this one. We found the WMD's but the media failed to report it and to this day has covered up the evidence. If anyone knows how the Jew-controlled media manipulates our minds, it's you Shamu.

I'd link a good youtube video to prove that this is FACT, but I'm too tired right now because of breathing the mist falling from the contrails and the fact that I've lost my tinfoil hat again.
 
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Whitewing said:
hypocritexposer said:
shaumei said:
Tam,

did we find the wmd's we went to war over? if so, what were they?

How would we know? Doesn't the media manipulate the truth, so they can control both parties and us?


And then you would have to come to a consensus on the definition of WMD.

the obama DOJ has indicted a coupld of people of posessing WMD in the US, in the last couple of years. Are you saying that what they had in there posession was not found in Iraq?

Are you defining WMD in a political sense or technical?

I'm with Hypo on this one. We found the WMD's but the media failed to report it and to this day has covered up the evidence. If anyone knows how the Jew-controlled media manipulates our minds, it's you Shamu.

I'd link a good youtube video to prove that this is FACT, but I'm too tired right now because of breathing the mist falling from the contrails and the fact that I've lost my tinfoil hat again.

the media reported the lies from bush on all networks that the wmd's were there...they never found any...they found some old munitions that we gave them to fight the iranians in 1988 but no new chemical weapons....

all lies and you guys just eat it up and then wonder why all of the pieces do not fit together...lol
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
Whitewing said:
hypocritexposer said:
How would we know? Doesn't the media manipulate the truth, so they can control both parties and us?


And then you would have to come to a consensus on the definition of WMD.

the obama DOJ has indicted a coupld of people of posessing WMD in the US, in the last couple of years. Are you saying that what they had in there posession was not found in Iraq?

Are you defining WMD in a political sense or technical?

I'm with Hypo on this one. We found the WMD's but the media failed to report it and to this day has covered up the evidence. If anyone knows how the Jew-controlled media manipulates our minds, it's you Shamu.

I'd link a good youtube video to prove that this is FACT, but I'm too tired right now because of breathing the mist falling from the contrails and the fact that I've lost my tinfoil hat again.

the media reported the lies from bush on all networks that the wmd's were there...they never found any...they found some old munitions that we gave them to fight the iranians in 1988 but no new chemical weapons....

all lies and you guys just eat it up and then wonder why all of the pieces do not fit together...lol



I wonder if there were any other "secret shipments"?


500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says
Story Highlights
Pentagon: U.S. secretly shipped Iraq's low-grade uranium dating back to Hussein era

Officials: U.S. military spent $70 million for the transport of materials to Canada

"Yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government

From Brianna Keilar and Larry Shaughnessy
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States secretly shipped out of Iraq more than 500 tons of low-grade uranium dating back to the Saddam Hussein era, the Pentagon said Monday.

The U.S. military spent $70 million ensuring the safe transportation of 550 metric tons of the uranium from Iraq to Canada, said Pentagon spokesman Brian Whitman.

The shipment, which until recently was kept secret, involved a U.S. truck convoy, 37 cargo flights out of Baghdad to a transitional location, and then a transoceanic voyage on board a U.S.-government-owned ship designed to carry troops to a war zone, he said.

The "yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government at the encouragement of the U.S. government, Whitman said.

The United States approached Canadian company Cameco to bid for the material, according Cameco spokesman Lyle Krahn. He would not disclose the winning bid amount.

Krahn admitted that this was not a "routine transaction," but he said the agreement was approved by the Canadian government and was carefully monitored.

The undertaking, named "Operation McCall" by Pentagon officials, was in the planning stages for months and was completed Saturday after the material had been in transit for weeks, according to Whitman.

He said yellowcake uranium is a commonly traded commodity used for nuclear power generation. It is not enriched and cannot be used without first going through a complicated enrichment process, he said, but because of the unstable nature of Iraq, the United States and the Iraqi government decided it should be moved out of that country. Iraq has no nuclear power generating plants.

The uranium was packed into 110 shipping containers moved by convoy from a facility in Tuwaitha, Iraq, about 12 miles south of Baghdad. The containers were first moved to the secure International Zone in central Baghdad and then to Baghdad International Airport, where thery were loaded onto C-17 cargo planes.

It took 37 flights to move the shipping containers out of Iraq to a "third country," Whitman said.

A Pentagon official who asked not to be named said that third country was Diego Garcia, a British territory in the Indian Ocean where the United Kingdom and the United States operate a joint military base.

From that third country, Whitman said, the containers were loaded onto the SS Gopher State, a U.S.-owned crane ship normally used to haul equipment in and out of war zones. The ship carried the uranium to Canada, where it was bought by Cameco, a private firm.

The uranium will be sent by truck to two processing plants in Ontario, Krahn said. Once it has been enriched for energy use it will be sold to power plant operators, he said.

The United States is Cameco's largest customer, Krahn said, but he did not specify if the Iraq yellowcake would ultimately end up in the United States.

Whitman said the Department of Defense's cost of securing and transporting the uranium from Tuwaitha to Canada was $70 million, and the government of Iraq had agreed in principal to reimburse the United States for part of that cost.

He said he could not say how much Iraq intends to repay the United States.
 

Whitewing

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Whitewing

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And Tupid, a question.

If it was to everyone's (Bush and his media cronies) advantage to find WMD's in Iraq so they could justify the war, why didn't they just make the story up....film some canisters or something like that and tell everyone, "see, there were WMD's there so the invasion was a good thing"?

Something doesn't add up and I believe it's your math.
 

hypocritexposer

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Whitewing said:
And Tupid, a question.

If it was to everyone's (Bush and his media cronies) advantage to find WMD's in Iraq so they could justify the war, why didn't they just make the story up....film some canisters or something like that and tell everyone, "see, there were WMD's there so the invasion was a good thing"?

Something doesn't add up and I believe it's your math.


Sounds too difficult for the dumbest President ever. Mind you, he was able to plan and carry out 911. :lol: :lol:
 

Whitewing

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Shamu wants it both ways, doesn't he.

He wants us to believe that the Jew media helped Bush by reporting and even lying about WMD's in Iraq, but when the same Jew media reports that that there were no WMD's, he embraces them with open and trusting arms.

If I was a cynic, which I'm not, I'd think Shamu is a whack job who believes what he wants to believe.
 

Whitewing

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Oh no Shamu, look what I found...PROOF that there were WMD's in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5GPsj5d1NQ&p=00AF578EB49B3E81&playnext=1&index=1
 
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