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Palin, a "fatal cancer to the Republican party"

fff

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So says David Brooks.

David Brooks spoke frankly about the presidential and vice presidential candidates Monday afternoon, calling Sarah Palin a "fatal cancer to the Republican party" but describing John McCain and Barack Obama as "the two best candidates we've had in a long time."

In an interview with The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg at New York's Le Cirque restaurant to unveil that magazine's redesign, Brooks decried Palin's anti-intellectualism and compared her to President Bush in that regard:

[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he'd rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn't think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices.
Brooks praised Palin's natural political talent, but said she is "absolutely not" ready to be president or vice president. He explained, "The more I follow politicians, the more I think experience matters, the ability to have a template of things in your mind that you can refer to on the spot, because believe me, once in office there's no time to think or make decisions."

The New York Times columnist also said that the "great virtue" of Palin's counterpart, Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, is that he is anything but a "yes man."

"[Biden] can't not say what he thinks," Brooks remarked. "There's no internal monitor, and for Barack Obama, that's tremendously important to have a vice president who will be that way. Our current president doesn't have anybody like that."

Brooks also spent time praising Obama's intellect and skills in social perception, telling two stories of his interactions with Obama that left him "dazzled":

Obama has the great intellect. I was interviewing Obama a couple years ago, and I'm getting nowhere with the interview, it's late in the night, he's on the phone, walking off the Senate floor, he's cranky. Out of the blue I say, 'Ever read a guy named Reinhold Niebuhr?' And he says, 'Yeah.' So i say, 'What did Niebuhr mean to you?' For the next 20 minutes, he gave me a perfect description of Reinhold Niebuhr's thought, which is a very subtle thought process based on the idea that you have to use power while it corrupts you. And I was dazzled, I felt the tingle up my knee as Chris Matthews would say.

And the other thing that does separate Obama from just a pure intellectual: he has tremendous powers of social perception. And this is why he's a politician, not an academic. A couple of years ago, I was writing columns attacking the Republican congress for spending too much money. And I throw in a few sentences attacking the Democrats to make myself feel better. And one morning I get an email from Obama saying, 'David, if you wanna attack us, fine, but you're only throwing in those sentences to make yourself feel better.' And it was a perfect description of what was going through my mind. And everybody who knows Obama all have these stories to tell about his capacity for social perception.


Brooks predicted an Obama victory by nine points, and said that although he found Obama to be "a very mediocre senator," he was is surrounded by what Brooks called "by far the most impressive people in the Democratic party."

"He's phenomenally good at surrounding himself with a team," Brooks said. "I disagree with them on most issues, but I am given a lot of comfort by the fact that the people he's chosen are exactly the people I think most of us would want to choose if we were in his shoes. So again, I have doubts about him just because he was such a mediocre senator, but his capacity to pick staff is impressive."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html

Peggy Noonan's not quite so harsh:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html
 
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One of the reasons John McCain picked Sarah Palin (other than Steve Schmidt forbidding him from picking his friend, Joe Lieberman) is her supposed appeal to women, especially disgruntled Hillary voters. It hasn't worked that way at all. Instead of getting a conservative evangelical whose distinguishing characteristic was her strenuous opposition to abortion, the public perception has become a hot chick who hunts moose from airplanes. Her rallies are dominated by men, maybe 2/3 men. Her favorable/unfavorables are now 32/41, a far cry from what they were a month ago. In its endorsement of Obama for President, the Kansas City Star wrote: "Despite his age and previous health problems, McCain chose a vice presidential candidate who is so clearly unqualified for high office that the thought of her stepping into the presidency is frightening." Hardly a ringing endorsement of Palin.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
 

kolanuraven

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This ' event' for Palin would have been a make or break for her. If McCain had won.....she'd had an illustrious political career so in essence she was ' using' McCain to further herself.


But, as we see McCain will ,in all probability ,loose.....and she's beginning to look a bit foolish...she's done. Probably can't get a job as a dog catcher after this is all said and done.
 
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kolanuraven said:
This ' event' for Palin would have been a make or break for her. If McCain had won.....she'd had an illustrious political career so in essence she was ' using' McCain to further herself.


But, as we see McCain will ,in all probability ,loose.....and she's beginning to look a bit foolish...she's done. Probably can't get a job as a dog catcher after this is all said and done.

The blog rumorville is that both Hefner and Flynt have offered her very lucrative "modeling" offers- and are debating that after the Repubs/McCain throw her under the bus as their excuse for losing- which one she will appear in Playboy or Hustler... :???:
 

don

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i think the fear has evaporated into derision. go ahead and convince yourself she's the real deal but from the polls it looks like you're the one who's out of step.
 

hopalong

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I do not think it is fear at all, They are extremly jealous of her wit and intelligence, and know they cannot beat her one on one so they gang up and try to discredit her in any way they can.
Notice our resident libs follow suit with ther own little tidbits, with the exception of kolo who just spouts off as usual with out making any sense as long as she can post something :roll: :roll: Probably the most jealous of all because Sarah has her beat not only in intelligence but in looks and personality as well, plus has a husband and kids, while poor ole kolo has only herself and her misery. (poor baby)
:D
 

fff

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Earlier today I saw a website listing some of the newspapers that have come out for Obama. Almost every one of them mentioned that McCain's choice of Sarah Palin was a factor in them NOT endorsing him. Almost across the board they said it made them question his judgment. And that's what McCain had going for him early in this race: his judgment.....and experience. After picking her, McCain wasn't able to seriously question Obama's experience.
 

Faster horses

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Just shows how out of touch they are with the REAL people of
this country. People like Sarah Palin.

I'm sick of people in politics that have lost touch with the real world.
Sarah Palin IS THE REAL WORLD, like it or not.

What they have done to her is just plain mean-spirited--like
much of our country has become.
 

fff

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Faster horses said:
Just shows how out of touch they are with the REAL people of
this country. People like Sarah Palin.

I'm sick of people in politics that have lost touch with the real world.
Sarah Palin IS THE REAL WORLD, like it or not.

What they have done to her is just plain mean-spirited--like
much of our country has become.

"mean spirited" What a joke. :lol: In 2000 was George W. Bush spreading rumors that McCain had a black child with a mistress mean spirited? That he was "unstable" because of the torture he endured in North Vietnam? That he didn't deserve all the medals he won for Vietnam; everyone got them, you know? Did you scream and complain then about mean spirits??

I agree that there's lots of mean spirited people around, but don't pretend they're all after Sarah Palin. There's a whole lot of them after Obama, too. You know: He's a Mulsim, he's a terrorist, he's not an American, he hates America....... Those are mean spriited lies. At least no one on here is lying about Sarah Palin. She is what she is. She may be a likeable person, but she's not ready to be President of the United States.

Sarah Palin has turned into a nighmare for the Republican Party. She strokes the flames of racial intolerance and fear. Shame on McCain for allowing that to go on in his name.
 

mrj

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Liberals just cannot stand the fact that there is a vp candidate who did not graduate from one of the Ivy League colleges.......and who is not a screaming womens' lib abortion promoter! Get over it! Common sense, honesty, and a good work ethic are things that have been sadly lacking in our government.......and all are strong attributes of Sarah Palin.

Better a Sarah Palin who may or may not be 'ready' to take over the presidency than an unknown who keeps his records hidden and has one of the most liberal big spending records for the extremely limited time he actually has spent in his current job in the Senate, Barack Obama, as candidate for the top spot on the ticket of the Democrats!!!!

Your accusations of racial intolerance promoted by Sarah Palin are typical of that sort of accusation by liberals, in the lack of any proof.

mrj
 

fff

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mrj said:
Liberals just cannot stand the fact that there is a vp candidate who did not graduate from one of the Ivy League colleges.......and who is not a screaming womens' lib abortion promoter! Get over it! Common sense, honesty, and a good work ethic are things that have been sadly lacking in our government.......and all are strong attributes of Sarah Palin.

Better a Sarah Palin who may or may not be 'ready' to take over the presidency than an unknown who keeps his records hidden and has one of the most liberal big spending records for the extremely limited time he actually has spent in his current job in the Senate, Barack Obama, as candidate for the top spot on the ticket of the Democrats!!!!

Your accusations of racial intolerance promoted by Sarah Palin are typical of that sort of accusation by liberals, in the lack of any proof.

mrj

"Honesty" You are in la la land. She claimed the Troopergate report cleared her of any charges! That's an out and out lie. :lol: :lol:

Well, I’m very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing … any hint of any kind of unethical activity there.

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/132625

And it's not the only time she made that dishonest claim. She also pressured Public Safety Commissioner Monegan to fire a state trooper for personal reasons. When he didn't, she fired him. Worse, she refused to help fund his budget for public safety when he didn't fire the trooper. Public Safety! Was it compromised because of her personal vendetta?

Obama is at the head of Dem ticket because registered Dems turned out for him. Palin is the Republican VP ticket because John McCain picked her. There's only a few million voters difference there. :roll:

"Ivy League" Joe Biden graduated from the University of Delaware....in four years. The lovely Sarah? She didn't do so well.
 

kolanuraven

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mrj said:
Liberals just cannot stand the fact that there is a vp candidate who did not graduate from one of the Ivy League colleges.......and who is not a screaming womens' lib abortion promoter! Get over it! Common sense, honesty, and a good work ethic are things that have been sadly lacking in our government.......and all are strong attributes of Sarah Palin.

Better a Sarah Palin who may or may not be 'ready' to take over the presidency than an unknown who keeps his records hidden and has one of the most liberal big spending records for the extremely limited time he actually has spent in his current job in the Senate, Barack Obama, as candidate for the top spot on the ticket of the Democrats!!!!

Your accusations of racial intolerance promoted by Sarah Palin are typical of that sort of accusation by liberals, in the lack of any proof.

mrj



Her hubby wants to and is part and parcel to a group who wants to succeed from the USA....


Now is that someone you want in that position of power??? And don't say ' he' is not the VP choice...cause he damn sure runs the show as a pseudo Gov of Alaska!!
 

Sandhusker

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Sandman said:
fff said:
Faster horses said:
Just shows how out of touch they are with the REAL people of
this country. People like Sarah Palin.

I'm sick of people in politics that have lost touch with the real world.
Sarah Palin IS THE REAL WORLD, like it or not.


What they have done to her is just plain mean-spirited--like
much of our country has become.

"mean spirited" What a joke. :lol: In 2000 was George W. Bush spreading rumors that McCain had a black child with a mistress mean spirited? That he was "unstable" because of the torture he endured in North Vietnam? That he didn't deserve all the medals he won for Vietnam; everyone got them, you know? Did you scream and complain then about mean spirits??

I agree that there's lots of mean spirited people around, but don't pretend they're all after Sarah Palin. There's a whole lot of them after Obama, too. You know: He's a Mulsim, he's a terrorist, he's not an American, he hates America....... Those are mean spriited lies. At least no one on here is lying about Sarah Palin. She is what she is. She may be a likeable person, but she's not ready to be President of the United States.

Sarah Palin has turned into a nighmare for the Republican Party. She strokes the flames of racial intolerance and fear. Shame on McCain for allowing that to go on in his name.


Huntley Brown on Obama

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>>
>> This article is from Huntley Brown - he is a fabulous concert
>> pianist, man of God and is a black man. I appreciate so much his
>> reasoning for not voting for Obama. I would like to see this article
>> published or spread out via Email to as many as possible. It's good
>> stuff!
>>
>>
>> Why I Can't Vote For Obama
>> By Huntley Brown
>>
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>>
>> A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I
>> sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the
>> corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list
>> have seen some of this before but it's worth repeating...
>>
>>
>> First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer
>> support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need
>> to explain why I will not be voting for him.
>>
>>
>> Many of my friends process their identity through their
>> blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a
>> Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He
>> does because He is the leader.

>>
>>
>> I can't vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian
>> because that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should
>> anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years
>> from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I
>> knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
>>
>>
>> In an election there are many issues to consider but when a
>> society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research,
>> human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not
>> matter.
>>
>>
>> We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge
>> someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
>> I don't know Obama so all I can go on is his voting record. His voting
>> record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate
>> in 2007. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/> NATIONAL JOURNAL:
>> Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)
>>
>>
>> To beat Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton as the most liberal
>> senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years.
>> I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
>>
>>
>> There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating.
>> There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a
>> reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. Love him. There is a
>> reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court.



There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
>> There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
>> There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion.

There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts
>> and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since
>> overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to
>> continue.
>>
>>
>> Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue. The 5
>> Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:
>>
>>
>> A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg
>> with forceps.
>> (Remember this is a live baby)
>> B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
>> C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for
>> the head.
>> D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The
>> scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
>> E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted.
>> The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead
>> baby is then removed.
>>
>>
>> God help him.
>>
>>
>> There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
>>
>>
>> Think about this: You can't give a kid an aspirin without
>> parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without
>> parental notification. This is insane.
>>
>>
>> There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20
>> years.
>>
>>
>> Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah
>> Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I
>> wonder why now?
>>
>>
>> Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and disciple
>> him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20
>> 'Go and make disciples of all nations.' This means reproduce yourself.
>> Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what
>> you believe etc.
>> The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?
>>
>>
>> Would you support a White President who went to a church which
>> has tenets that said they have a
>> 1. Commitment to the White Community
>> 2. Commitment to the White Family
>> 3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
>> 4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired
>> skills available
>> to the White Community.
>> 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal
>> Resources for
>> Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
>> 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and
>> embrace the
>> White Value System
>> 7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value
>> System.
>>
>>
>> Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
>>
>>
>> Just change the word from white to black and you have the
>> tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a member of a
>> church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al
>> Sharpton would have been marching outside.
>>
>>
>> This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up
>> after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church
>> can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came
>> for the whole world.
>>
>>
>> A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches
>> value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if
>> it's a white church or a black church it's still wrong. Anyone from
>> either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.
>>
>>
>> Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal
>> theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of
>> Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who
>> is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God
>> is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had
>> better kill him.
>>
>>
>> Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe
>> this?
>>
>>
>> So what does all this mean for the nation?
>>
>>
>> In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of
>> Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
>>
>>
>> Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in
>> 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them
>> know what the king who will reign over them will do.'
>>
>>
>> Then God says
>>
>>
>> 1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for
>> relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in
>> that day.' 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they
>> said. 'We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other
>> nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our
>> battles.' 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it
>> before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a
>> king.'
>>
>>
>> Here is what we know for sure.
>>
>>
>> God is not schizophrenic
>>
>>
>> He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote
>> for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot
>> stand, so
>> obviously many people are not hearing from God. Maybe I am the
>> one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many
>> things I read in scripture so I doubt it.
>>
>>
>> For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look
>> God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama
>> even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial
>> birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court
>> justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be
>> making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push
>> for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for
>> this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.
>>
>>
>> I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions.
>> Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.
>>
>>
>> Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the
>> nation,
>> 1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
>>
>>
>> 2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for
>> the nation?

>>
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Huntley Brown

I suppose you would classify this mean spirited?

Excellent post. Too bad the people that need to know this can't get past the image of their chosen one.
 

VanC

Well-known member
fff said:
Obama is at the head of Dem ticket because registered Dems turned out for him.

How true. Mickey Mouse, Fred Flintstone, Wiley E. Coyote, Ernest T. Bass, the entire Dallas Cowboys' roster, every name in the Tacoma, WA phonebook, not to mention hundreds of people who rose from the dead............all turned out for Obama. :lol:
 
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