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Anonymous

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Both Parties Are Uneasy Coalitions of Warring Factions


A new study shows not only a wide gap between the Democrats and Republicans, but also between factions within each party. The chasm between the parties is wider than ever, with greater polarization than we have had in decades. On the whole, Democrats and Republicans differ on abortion, civil liberties, gay marriage, gun control, health care, immigration, regulation of financial markets, separation of church and state, and the role of government in American life. Also, and that is new, politics has become a package deal. If you oppose abortion, you had better also oppose gun control and regulation of the financial markets. It used to be that people could have their own view on each issue separately, but now there is a Democratic package and a Republican package. A la carte is out.

Nevertheless, the study found several subgroups within each party, each of which places the emphasis on different items. The five groups comprising the Republican Party are as follows.

1.Tea party members who are ultraconservative, especially on taxes, and who will not tolerate compromises
2.Old-School Republicans who are wealthy professionals or old money and who don't care about social issues
3.Religious conservatives who strongly oppose abortion and homosexuality but are less unified on financial issues
4.Pro-government Republicans are often blue-collar workers with no college and annual incomes below $50,000
5.Window shoppers call themselves Republicans but don't really fit into the modern Republican Party


The Democrats are also split internally. The study found four factions.

1.Urban liberals are highly educated, live in cities, read the NYT and don't go to church
2.God and government Democrats are nonwhite, go to church, and want the government to help them economically
3.The agnostic left is made up of young people who rarely go to church and want a high wall between church and state
4.Do-it-yourself Democrats want more government services but also care about the deficit
During the campaign, these different groups are constantly jockeying for position and after the election there will be internal battles in both the winning and losing parties as each group tries to achieve power.

Full article:http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/big-gulf-between-parties-divisions-within/2012/08/18/f5ee15d4-e31a-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

Interesting study- now if you are a party cultist, you are expected to follow the cultist way of thinking down to the last brass tack- and definitely no thinking on your own!
 

gearhead

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HEY OLDTIMER, you conveniently left off OWSer's for the democrats. I'm sure it wasn't by mistake, but more of the distancing propaganda bullshit you pull. PUNK
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Both Parties Are Uneasy Coalitions of Warring Factions


A new study shows not only a wide gap between the Democrats and Republicans, but also between factions within each party. The chasm between the parties is wider than ever, with greater polarization than we have had in decades. On the whole, Democrats and Republicans differ on abortion, civil liberties, gay marriage, gun control, health care, immigration, regulation of financial markets, separation of church and state, and the role of government in American life. Also, and that is new, politics has become a package deal. If you oppose abortion, you had better also oppose gun control and regulation of the financial markets. It used to be that people could have their own view on each issue separately, but now there is a Democratic package and a Republican package. A la carte is out.

Nevertheless, the study found several subgroups within each party, each of which places the emphasis on different items. The five groups comprising the Republican Party are as follows.

1.Tea party members who are ultraconservative, especially on taxes, and who will not tolerate compromises
2.Old-School Republicans who are wealthy professionals or old money and who don't care about social issues
3.Religious conservatives who strongly oppose abortion and homosexuality but are less unified on financial issues
4.Pro-government Republicans are often blue-collar workers with no college and annual incomes below $50,000
5.Window shoppers call themselves Republicans but don't really fit into the modern Republican Party


The Democrats are also split internally. The study found four factions.

1.Urban liberals are highly educated, live in cities, read the NYT and don't go to church
2.God and government Democrats are nonwhite, go to church, and want the government to help them economically
3.The agnostic left is made up of young people who rarely go to church and want a high wall between church and state
4.Do-it-yourself Democrats want more government services but also care about the deficit
During the campaign, these different groups are constantly jockeying for position and after the election there will be internal battles in both the winning and losing parties as each group tries to achieve power.

Full article:http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/big-gulf-between-parties-divisions-within/2012/08/18/f5ee15d4-e31a-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html

Interesting study- now if you are a party cultist, you are expected to follow the cultist way of thinking down to the last brass tack- and definitely no thinking on your own!

if you read the article the results contradict the summery statement..

for instance #1 and number #4 on the republicans is a direct contradiction.. how is the party has to be in lockstep can their be people so far apart? yet rally for the same thing?

BTW they forgot one group of democrats..

.Urban liberals who are uneducated, live in cities, can't read and don't go to church and want the government to help them economically

it is the largest group.. how could they miss it?
 

TexasBred

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Sounds almost like religions....40,000 denominations and then smaller groups within some of those groups all called "Christian".
 

Steve

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TexasBred said:
Sounds almost like religions....40,000 denominations and then smaller groups within some of those groups all called "Christian".

and very few of them agree on much.. :lol:

but we all agree to one point... "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,

while I like the more formal translation an some like the easy child taught version..like the one above, it is still the same GOD and the same son who died for us

showing that denominations and congregations and even individual Christians have different viewpoints.. even on the most important aspects of our faith.. :lol:

so why would we agree on politics?
 

Tam

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The first thing I noticed about this so called Oldtimer posted study is that the Republicans are all about money issues and the Dems are all about church. Didn't Obama claim the Republicans were the ones sticking to their Bibles and guns? :? Seems to me according to Obama the Republicans are the ones going to Church. That is at least when it isn't Election time. During an election even Obama is reported to attend church unlike the rest of the time when he is on the golf course.

BTW isn't DO IT YOURSELF DEMOCRATS an oxymoron. Democrats are ALL about the government doing it for them with someone elses money. :?
 
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Anonymous

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The End of WASP Rule?

Since its founding, the country has been run by WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). That era appears to be over now. Neither the Democratic nor the Republican ticket has any WASPs on it. While Obama is a Protestant, he isn't white and Joe Biden is a Catholic. On the Republican side, Romney is a Mormon and Ryan is a Catholic.

Neither of the leaders of Congress are WASPS. Speaker John Boehner is a Catholic and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a Mormon. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic although Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is a Baptist.

The Supreme Court is a complete shutout for the WASPs. The current Court consists of six Catholics and three Jews. For the first time in history, there are no Protestants at all on the Court.

Thus of the top 17 positions (four national candidates, four leaders in Congress, and nine Supreme Court Justices) the only WASP is Mitch McConnell. Four of the 17 are women. This is an astounding change in a fairly short time. Back in the 1950s, something like this would have been unthinkable.

One cannot but wonder if a lot of the hatred and partisanship in politics (e.g., the appearance of the tea party out of nowhere) is a manifestation that the guard is changing and the people who used to run the show don't any more. Some of them may not be taking the end of their monopoly graciously.

Since you brought up religion in politics..
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Oldtimer said:
The End of WASP Rule?

Since its founding, the country has been run by WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). That era appears to be over now. Neither the Democratic nor the Republican ticket has any WASPs on it. While Obama is a Protestant, he isn't white and Joe Biden is a Catholic. On the Republican side, Romney is a Mormon and Ryan is a Catholic.

Neither of the leaders of Congress are WASPS. Speaker John Boehner is a Catholic and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a Mormon. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic although Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is a Baptist.

The Supreme Court is a complete shutout for the WASPs. The current Court consists of six Catholics and three Jews. For the first time in history, there are no Protestants at all on the Court.

Thus of the top 17 positions (four national candidates, four leaders in Congress, and nine Supreme Court Justices) the only WASP is Mitch McConnell. Four of the 17 are women. This is an astounding change in a fairly short time. Back in the 1950s, something like this would have been unthinkable.

One cannot but wonder if a lot of the hatred and partisanship in politics (e.g., the appearance of the tea party out of nowhere) is a manifestation that the guard is changing and the people who used to run the show don't any more. Some of them may not be taking the end of their monopoly graciously.

Since you brought up religion in politics..

And look how bad things are. :shock:
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
[ While Obama is a Protestant, he isn't white and Joe Biden is a Catholic. On the Republican side, Romney is a Mormon and Ryan is a Catholic.

Neither of the leaders of Congress are WASPS. Speaker John Boehner is a Catholic and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a Mormon. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic although Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is a Baptist.

One cannot but wonder if a lot of the hatred and partisanship in politics (e.g., the appearance of the tea party out of nowhere) is a manifestation that the guard is changing and the people who used to run the show don't any more. Some of them may not be taking the end of their monopoly graciously.

Make note that Pelosi and Biden are Catholic in name only. I'm surprized they can even find a priest that will serve them communion. Of course you never hear about either attending mass so they might feel the same way and not want to push the issue. :lol:
 

Steve

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I actually find the liberals praising the lack of a WASP at the national level somewhat funny.. comical if you must.. :shock:

why must everything be about race or religion with them?

first..
While Obama is a Protestant, he isn't white

well technically he is not all black either.. if his dad was a white Jewish, Catholic or even a muslim he would fit in the group.. so why does his race exclude him?

be fair give him at least a half... don't be such bigots :lol:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Since you brought up religion in politics..

.Urban liberals are highly educated, live in cities, read the NYT and don't go to church
2.God and government Democrats are nonwhite, go to church, and want the government to help them economically
3.The agnostic left is made up of young people who rarely go to church and want a high wall between church and state
4.Do-it-yourself Democrats want more government services but also care about the deficit
During the campaign, these different groups are constantly jockeying for position and after the election there will be internal battles in both the winning and losing parties as each group tries to achieve power.

YOUR article brought up religion in politics or don't you read what you post? :roll:
 
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