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Patriot or Traitor?

Patriot or Traitor?

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badaxemoo

Well-known member
Ben H said:
Go to this link, watch the video. Do you consider him a Patriot or a Traitor?

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2009/03/02/patriot-or-traitor/

How about an option "wingnut idiot".

If I was going to call someone a traitor, I would actually have to believe that they were a threat to the nation.

A guy in a Skeletor mask spouting off junior-high philosophy on a website of a guy posing like an action figure with his guns is too hilarious to be threatening.
 

Ben H

Well-known member
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Samuel Adams
American Patriot & Politician
1722 - 1803
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us
in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down
and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon
you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
—Samuel Adams

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95sep/adams.html
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
Ben H said:
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Samuel Adams
American Patriot & Politician
1722 - 1803
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us
in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down
and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon
you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
—Samuel Adams

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95sep/adams.html

So "Skeletor Jarhead" is the new Samuel Adams?

You need to get yourself a booking on "The Daily Show".
 

Ben H

Well-known member
I haven't been drilling for about a year now, but yes. That is one great thing about an all volunteer army, I think there is a much higher percentage who believe in the Constitution, believe in our oath to defend it against all enemies forgein and domestic.

I used to ask my soldiers if they would ever disarm law-abiding americans. The majority I don't think would. If you look at some of the fictional scenarios that are out there, the military starts by following orders and believing the propoganda that is fed to them. But in the end they see the truth. Jericho is an example of this, the Army follows its orders to prevent cival unrest, but in the end they see the truth and realize that the ones giving the orders at the highest level are the true enemy, not the people who are resisting.

I'm not calling for a revolution by any means, I fully understand the consequnces of that option, I will fully exhaust every alternative to that possibility. In the end, we can only get backed so far into a corner. We can argue or disagree, that's fine, but I take my oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies forgein and domestic very seriously, I am far from being alone. We are headed down a dangerous path in this country, but it's not too late to reverse course. I just hope people can wake up before it's too late. Unfortunately, history tends to repeate itself.
 

Triangle Bar

Well-known member
I think this points straight to the question, Will folks blindly follow their elected leaders, will soldiers simply follow orders, or will they hold true to their oaths & convictions?

The man in the video unequivocally says he will not obey immoral & unconstitutional orders; but defend the Constitution & his fellow citizens. That is patriotism.
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
Go here:

www.resistnet.com

We belong to both the national and our state.

Things are going on that are down right scary. Our MT legislature had 2 bills introduced to vote for sovereignity, the two bills died because the Dems waited til the last minute to let the public know about it so we could testify. Many showed up to testify but they were turned away because it was "too late". Talk about letting the public have an opinion. B.O. said the Constitution needed "change" and guess what? I guess it's going to happen whether we agree to it or not. The military would like to be inclusive of the "patriot" movement but are afraid of Court Martial because they would be considered "traitors" by the left wing nuts and the government.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Hanta Yo said:
Go here:

www.resistnet.com

We belong to both the national and our state.

Things are going on that are down right scary. Our MT legislature had 2 bills introduced to vote for sovereignity, the two bills died because the Dems waited til the last minute to let the public know about it so we could testify. Many showed up to testify but they were turned away because it was "too late". Talk about letting the public have an opinion. B.O. said the Constitution needed "change" and guess what? I guess it's going to happen whether we agree to it or not. The military would like to be inclusive of the "patriot" movement but are afraid of Court Martial because they would be considered "traitors" by the left wing nuts and the government.

No Montanan would ever try and deceive would they after all the are protected by oldtimer and we all know he does not lie! :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
What would happen if a bunch of Military personnel thought Obama was not constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President.

Are the courts going to tell them that they are kooks?
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
hopalong said:
Hanta Yo said:
Go here:

www.resistnet.com

We belong to both the national and our state.

Things are going on that are down right scary. Our MT legislature had 2 bills introduced to vote for sovereignity, the two bills died because the Dems waited til the last minute to let the public know about it so we could testify. Many showed up to testify but they were turned away because it was "too late". Talk about letting the public have an opinion. B.O. said the Constitution needed "change" and guess what? I guess it's going to happen whether we agree to it or not. The military would like to be inclusive of the "patriot" movement but are afraid of Court Martial because they would be considered "traitors" by the left wing nuts and the government.

No Montanan would ever try and deceive would they after all the are protected by oldtimer and we all know he does not lie! :roll:

Please don't let OT be a prime example of a Montanan. There are conservatives here, too. :)
 

Ben H

Well-known member
Ok, 4 people so far have voted that he's a Traitor. Is any of those people willing to explain why?

If what this guy speaks of bears any fruit, then the best thing that could come of it is to purge this country of those who are willing to sacrafice or destroy the founding principles our great country is based on.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Ben H said:
Ok, 4 people so far have voted that he's a Traitor. Is any of those people willing to explain why?

If what this guy speaks of bears any fruit, then the best thing that could come of it is to purge this country of those who are willing to sacrafice or destroy the founding principles our great country is based on.

Only crooks, the Klan, and terrorists hide behind a mask to spout their fear and hate...
 

Ben H

Well-known member
Without examples you only discredit yourself. Ovbiously he is masked because he is still a Marine and could face being kicked out for saying what he believes. What is it that he is saying that makes him a traitor? I think those that are not speaking out about the threats to our Constitution are the real traitors.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Yes a patriot

He might have been a little more brave, and done it without a mask. But that does not mean that what he stands for and his message was not Patriotic!

I believe one of the most unpatriotic things is for an elected official to get to DC, and vote whatever way they want. They work for the people, they are not self employed. A lot have forgotten that.

The Military believes very strongly in the constitution, (and probably know it better than both of us put together.) and Thank God they do, or else they would not be doing what they are doing, in a volunteer manner.
 

Ben H

Well-known member
What about those who work for the alphabet soup agencies? Especially ATFE? How patriotic would the average ATFE agent be compared to those in the military?

Ben Franklin did not believe in high salaries for politicians, he felt it recruited the scum bags rather then those willing to serve. Politics should not be a profitable job. Is it true that FBI Special agents recieve 6 figure incomes or close to? I would imagine that there are ATFE agents in the same pay-grade.

How about the militarization of law enforcement? You'd have to be blind to not seee that. I subscribe to Soldier of Fortune, I think they kind of started as a mercinary magazine, but now they cover all the current conflicts as well as some history on older ones. They have some good reviews on equipment as well. Every month they have a Terrorism SitRep. Anway, that puts me on a mailing list for all this tactical gear. That market has exploded, not just for military but for law enforcement. We have a new store locally that opened up with all kinds of tactical gear. http://www.goodstuffgoodguys.com/ The job of the military is to enclose and destroy the enemy. Law enforcement is supposed dto serve and protect. When you start blending the two you creat a dangerous situation. The constitution doesn't allow us to have a standing army here, but we are damn close. Not only do we have active duty tropps on call for "emergencies", but the number of "tactical" teams as well. There are a lot of law enforement officers in the National Guard and Reserves. I don't always think it's such a good idea to take their mindset they train for overseas and bring that home when they are on our streets. I am seeing fewer cops dress as cops, their uniforms are closer to military ones then ever before, at least where I live.

There are plenty of Military and Law Enforement who believe in the founding documents and principles. There are some who just want the power though, there are some who just want food for their family and a paycheck Right now you can usually leave the Military with your training and get a higher paying job. I think that's great. It attracts those who want to serve. Can you imagine if we allowed Blackwater to do our law enforcement in this country? Actually, I think we did to a point durring Katrina. Isn't that the same time that they went door to door taking guns away from people? Why yes it is. Did that happen before or after FEMA took charge? Ok, I'm going to stop now before I start transitioning from facts nad observations to conspiracy. I've been rambling and am not going to go back and make edits. I'm sure theree are a few errors.
 
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