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U.S. official resurrects terror link to Canada

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U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended tighter border rules on the CBC April 20, 2009. Email story
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Homeland security chief sure to rankle Ottawa with her justification of new border controls

Apr 21, 2009 04:30 AM
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Mitch Potter
WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON – Canada is a primary source for terrorists entering the United States, President Barack Obama's homeland security chief suggested last night in an interview explaining the reasoning behind new and tighter border rules.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told CBC News that while Canada lacks the drug wars that vex the Mexican border, the Canadian frontier is on America's radar as a potential gateway for terrorist threats.

"Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on. It didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year," Napolitano explained to Neil MacDonald of CBC News.

"Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country, or suspected or known terrorists have come into our country, it has been across the Canadian border."

Asked whether she was referring to the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, Napolitano replied:

"Not just those, but others as well. So again, every country is entitled to have a border. It's part of sovereignty."

Napolitano's comments are certain to cause a stir in Ottawa, which struggled throughout the Bush era to dispel the widely held myth that Sept. 11 attackers entered the U.S. via Canada.

In fact, none of them did.

When the CBC asked Napolitano why such views are so commonplace, she appeared to suggest that the relevant information is a security secret.

"I'm not privileged to say everything that has occurred, some things that have occurred in the past," she said.

"I can talk to the future. The future is we have borders, the borders are going to be enabled with greater technology, but it's not going to be going back and forth as if there's no border anymore," the homeland security chief said.
 

Broke Cowboy

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Every country has the right to open or close its borders - as they see fit.

It may be a problem with all of the trade that travels north and south - over one billion dollars a day.

In the end Canada can complain if they want - but I find it difficult to blame the Americans - they have a problem - real or preceived - perception is reality - Canada is more than a little leaky when it comes to who they let in to the country.

BC
 

Silver

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I'm not griping about what the Yanks do with their border. They can do as they please. Making false claims about who is coming out of Canada is quite another.
Nobody is any more leaky that the good ole USA when it comes to who is getting into the country. No country in the world has more terrorist organizations operating within its borders than the good ole USA.
 

hypocritexposer

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MsSage

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OH Good GAWD stop and think.....Show me one time this administration has gotten any history or facts right?
Dont yall think it could be a way to estrange the relationship between a Free USA and a Free Canada. Then build up relations with Communist countries???
Come on, of all the "real" people in both contries we KNOW which border is the safe one and which one is the dangerouse one. We also KNOW which country has our back and is of like mind.
DONT fall into the trap ~call BS on this
 

Broke Cowboy

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Well folks there are literally tens of thousands of people that have been ordered deported from Canada and no one knows where they are.

I am not trying to create grief here - but I would bet my next paycheque - trust me no great loss if I am wrong ;-] - at least a few of these not so nice folks are now in the U.S. of A.

I am not overly happy about the state of affairs in Canada - our immigration and refugee policies leave a lot to be desired.

There may be a grain - or even more - of truth to these concerns. Before jumping off the deep end I believe Canada DOES have to clean up its act.

It is something that Canada takes far too lightly in my own opinion.

BC
 

burnt

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Janet Napolitano inferred that the 9/11 attackers came in through the Canadian border. They did not, so the Chief of Homeland Security is a liar. What does that do for the confidence level of Americans?

A major point that most overlook is that no one can enter the U.S. without being granted entrance BY the U.S. So how is it right to "blame Canada" if American security is not doing its job?

And furthermore, it is seldom mentioned that the 9/11 attackers were in the U.S. for quite some time, receiving flight training from Americans, in American facilities, and in American planes, none of which had ANY faintest connection to Canada.

If the Chief of Homeland Security has no credibility, the U.S. in in a chillingly fearful situation.
 

Mike

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A major point that most overlook is that no one can enter the U.S. without being granted entrance BY the U.S.

What? What about the 20 million that are here without permission?
 

Yanuck

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WASHINGTON — Canada's ambassador to the United States on Tuesday publicly rebuked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for suggesting that the 9/11 terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada, and has asked for a private meeting with her to set the record straight.


"Unfortunately, misconceptions arise on something as fundamental as where the 9/11 terrorists came from," Michael Wilson said at a Washington conference on cross-border trade.


"They flew in (from) major U.S. airports. They entered the U.S. with documents issued by the United States government and no 9/11 terrorists came from Canada."


Napolitano sparked a round of diplomatic and political complaints from parliamentarians and government officials in Ottawa for remarks she made earlier this week in a Canadian television interview.


Addressing a question on the different security challenges facing the U.S. on its borders with Canada and Mexico, Napolitano said terrorists entering America have come mostly from Canada.


"To the extent that terrorists have come into our country, or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border," Napolitano said.


Asked if she was referring to the 9/11 attackers, Napolitano replied: "Not just those, but others as well."


Wilson struck a diplomatic tone and did not mention Napolitano by name in prepared remarks to the Border Trade Alliance conference in Washington. But Canadian officials alerted media that he would be making the statement in response to the Homeland Security secretary.


In a statement Tuesday afternoon, Napolitano said: "I know that the Sept. 11th hijackers did not come through Canada to the United States."


But she added that several terrorists have attempted to cross into the U.S. from Canada, specifically citing Ahmed Ressam, the 'Millennium Bomber' who was caught in 1999 when he entered the U.S. at Port Angeles, Wash.


Ressam was convicted on a plot to bomb the Los Angeles airport.


Napolitano's predecessor at Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, said in 2008 that "more than a dozen" suspected extremists had been caught trying to enter the U.S. from Canada.


"There are other instances . . . when suspected terrorists have attempted to enter our country from Canada to the United States," Napolitano said. "Some of these are well-known to the public — such as the Millennium Bomber — while others are not due to security reasons."


Wilson said Napolitano's office had separately told the Canadian Embassy that the Homeland Security secretary misunderstood the question from the Canadian interviewer.


Still, her remarks betrayed the persistence of a myth that has haunted the Canadian government ever since the 2001 attacks. Several prominent U.S. lawmakers, including former Senator Hillary Clinton, have in the past said the 9/11 attackers crossed into the U.S. from Canada.


The 9/11 Commission report on the attacks found no evidence to support the claim, but Wilson said he is regularly required to correct U.S. officials who still believe it happened.


"It is a problem. I think the first time I heard it expressed was about two months after I arrived here," said Wilson, who was named ambassador in 2006.


"It comes frequently from members of Congress. These are people who should know the difference, forget sometimes. It's frustrating to us because we have to address it every time that matter comes up."


In Ottawa, RCMP Commissioner William Elliott said Napolitano was ill-informed.


"I was a bit surprised and somewhat disappointed that the secretary isn't better informed," Elliott told reporters on Parliament Hill.


"I shouldn't overreact to what I see in the media, but there was a suggestion in the media that the secretary of Homeland Security in the United States made some reference linking terrorist threats in Canada to the 9/11 attacks," Elliott said. "There is certainly no link to be made there."


Canadian parliamentarians attending Tuesday's border trade conference said they are prepared to give Napolitano the benefit of the doubt, but expressed fears that U.S. border policy continues to be influenced by myth more than facts.


"This seems to underlie many of the conversations and the tension between trade and security," said John McKay, Liberal MP for Scarborough-Guildwood. "It is a myth. It is nothing more than a myth. But it is one that continually comes out of American media and possibly even believed by some members of Congress."

http://www.canada.com/News/Homeland+Security+boss+rebuked+Canada+erroneous+statement/1519303/story.html
 

hypocritexposer

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Since 9/11 the U.S. has had much stricter immigration policies and practices than both its neighbors

How many illegals since 9/11?

I am not trying to create grief here - but I would bet my next paycheque - trust me no great loss if I am wrong ;-] - at least a few of these not so nice folks are now in the U.S. of A.

So they are entering the US from both directions? Who's job is it to stop them?

Why are they leaving Canada, because we found them and were trying to deport them, because they were illegals. In the US that is called "UnAmerican", (Pelosi)

It's also easier to come in via Canada since the border passes through Indian reservations and cuts towns in two whereas coming in from Mexico in many places you have to cross a wasteland where you can easily be tracked. And non Spanish speakers coming in from Mexico stand out.

Ever heard of El Paso?

Let's see where the true Terrorists think it is easier to cross.

http://www.copticnews.ca/video/feb262009_nafisi.wmv
 

burnt

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Mike said:
A major point that most overlook is that no one can enter the U.S. without being granted entrance BY the U.S.

What? What about the 20 million that are here without permission?

You are right, Mike. What I was referring to were the monitored points of entry.
 

Silver

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reader (the Second) said:
The Bush Administration was also concerned with potential terrorists coming in from Canada. As I remember, there were scores of terrorist groups operating in Canada. Like it or not, it's easier for a Muslim from the UK to come in via Canada versus Mexico.

Or straight in from the UK. Either way it is a US border problem and if they want to tighten that up that's fine. Fly at 'er.
I have read that Canada has the second most terrorist organizations operating within it's borders, while the US ranks first. Perhaps that has changed in the last couple of years but I doubt it has changed dramatically.
Heck, there is an american in the FBIs terrorist top ten most wanted list.
 

Steve

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I would like to apologize to our Canadian neighbors who are fighting along side US in the war against terror for being singled out as a possible accomplice in terrorists activities,.. as a right wing (extremist) vet who was singled out last week, I can understand your outrage...
 

burnt

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Steve, your apology is a valuable, individual token which I hold in respect. It is unfortunate, however, that the administration of the U.S. would not support your words and position.

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/622082

I'm not sure how long a country can tolerate being libeled and bullied by another and still be expected to show support or concern for the others initiatives and well being.
 

Texan

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"Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country, or suspected or known terrorists have come into our country, it has been across the Canadian border."

Asked whether she was referring to the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, Napolitano replied:

"Not just those, but others as well..."
What a freakin' embarrassment to this country. That rumor was dispelled years ago.

If she can't keep her mouth shut on things that she doesn't know anything about, I think it's time for her to go.

Is this the best that we can do for a Secretary of Homeland Security? Does this Administration just have no standards for honesty and integrity for Cabinet appointments?
 

hypocritexposer

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How many times does this "lady" need to show her incompetence before it affects her career or the safety of the "Homeland"

They are driving many wedges between groups right now. Their intentions are obvious.

It's in the playbook.
 

TexasBred

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It's also easier to come in via Canada since the border passes through Indian reservations and cuts towns in two whereas coming in from Mexico in many places you have to cross a wasteland where you can easily be tracked. And non Spanish speakers coming in from Mexico stand out.

Ever heard of El Paso?

Let's see where the true Terrorists think it is easier to cross.

http://www.copticnews.ca/video/feb262009_nafisi.wmv[/quote]

Only way to tell the difference between a mexican illegal and a Taliban illegal is that one smells like a jack ass...the other like a camel.
 

hypocritexposer

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terrorists are afraid of wasteland!

They come from the metropolis cave regions of Afghanistan, where tracking them is so much easier.

I think that was the point!
 
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