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Pharo Bull and Heifer Sale Report

Faster horses

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Kit Pharo and his co-operators had a very good sale. I missed it
on RFD-TV because I had to go to work.

Here are the results:

300 bred PCC influenced heifers averaged $1560

288 PCC influenced bulls averaged $3930.

I think he said this was the highest sale average yet and
cattle sold to a lot of different states and areas.

Individual prices can be found at

htt://www.pharocattle.com/Fall-catalog-2006/catalog_index.htm

(Hmmmm. I copied that word for word and the link doesn't work here.
Works when I use it from the place I copied it from. What am I
doing wrong?)
 

CattleArmy

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Our neighbor has bought some of the bulls and just eyeing the herd they don't produce outstanding calves and from watering their horses while they were away the bull was fiesty in the corral and not a lot to look at. Just my opinion.
 

Faster horses

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Hey, thanks Judith. I also see you had a capital C on Catalog that
I missed.

It's hell to get old... :wink:

Hey, Mike, I'm sticking my tongue out at you: :p

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
 

Mike

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If Frame 4 cattle are so much more efficient than Frame 7 cattle, then why don't we just go to all Frame 1 cattle?

The packers like the larger framed cattle because it takes as long and as much labor to dress small one as it does a small one.

Some will always take cattle to the extremes. One way or the other. :???:
 

wdcook

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According to its website only 8% of beef meets requirements for CAB now. Allan Nation in the latest Stockman Grass farmer states that in Sept. of this yr. CAB changed its standards to eliminate any carcass over 1000 lbs. and no cattle with a ribeye over 16 in. would be accepted. They said this crackdown will disqualify about six percent of their current supply. CAB was forced to take this action because there didn't seem to be any slowing in the growth of the size of cattle.

I believe my cows are too large because in general the larger ones are poorer doers, are harder to breed back, and are less efficient than the average or smaller cows. Also many times at the local sale barn I have witnessed a producers lighter draft of calves bring almost as many $$$, and in a few cases more, than the next heavier draft. When one considers the distinct possiblity that corn prices will be much higher in the future, I'm going to select for easy-keeping, moderately framed cattle that will do well on forage alone. My ideal would be a 4-4.5 frame 11-1300 # cow.
 

andybob

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The advantage of a breed selected from cattle which have adapted to a harsh environment over thousands of years, is that they are consistant inbeing medium framed, my adult females average 1200 lbs, and maintain conditionon native grasses and mineral suppliment. To produce a heavier weaner for the feedlots is simply a case of using a good terminal sire out of low maintenence, fertile females, and taking advantage of the heterosisin the F1 or F2 cross.
 

Mike

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According to its website only 8% of beef meets requirements for CAB now. Allan Nation in the latest Stockman Grass farmer states that in Sept. of this yr. CAB changed its standards to eliminate any carcass over 1000 lbs. and no cattle with a ribeye over 16 in. would be accepted. They said this crackdown will disqualify about six percent of their current supply. CAB was forced to take this action because there didn't seem to be any slowing in the growth of the size of cattle.

How can "RAISING" the carcass weight limit disqualify more cattle? They WANT larger carcasses or they wouldn't have raised the limit.

The ribeye specs are between 10 & 16 sq in. Reasonable.

15 sq. in. is the target for most.

They completely dropped the Yield Grade specs of 3.9 or better.

This will INCREASE their supply.

The problem is not so much that cattle are getting bigger, but they are lacking MUSCLE! Too much fat!

Try feeding some of those Frame Score 3-4 cattle and sell them on the grid. The yield grades will eat you alive!
 

Faster horses

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Mike, if the price of grain continues to be higher than we are used to,
won't cattle that finish early be in demand?

This is truely a question I have had for some time.
 

Mike

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Faster horses said:
Mike, if the price of grain continues to be higher than we are used to,
won't cattle that finish early be in demand?

This is truely a question I have had for some time.

Probably to an extent they will with certain packers and niche markets. But overall I'd say not.

I wouldn't think it wise to raise calves that would be in demand only when the price of grain goes up anyway.

I agree that we have some calves that go over the 1000 lb carcass limit. But that takes a 1600 lb and up calf!

But if we go too far the other way with frame scores on cows and put bulls on them that will have calves with enough frame to meet the 1400-1500 lb target, we will raise BW's above what is acceptable for some.

It's a catch 22. Mediocrity is why I chimed in to start with. Those small frame 3-4 bulls on frame 3-4 cows may make some great mama's and be easy keepers but one day it will catch up in Yield grades and the lower carcass limits in the calves.

CAB raised the carcass weight limits to qualify more calves. They dropped the yield grade specs for the same reason.
 

Red Robin

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I hold my calves till heavy on grass and a small amount of DDG. I don't want any little ones. I like my frame to be 6.5 or less but I want long , deep, heavy cattle. Preformance is a bad word now days but if I own the calf 3/4 of his life , I want him to put weight on as cheaply as possible.I don't feed the cows anything but hay and that is usually pretty sorry hay . Drought situations are different. I would feed the cows a little grain to extend the roughage.
 

Andy

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Faster horses said:
Mike, if the price of grain continues to be higher than we are used to,
won't cattle that finish early be in demand?

This is truely a question I have had for some time.

With high cost of gains the feeder will look for cattle that will put on a lot of weight as cheaply as possible. So cattle that finish early at a heavy wieght will be in demand. Hard doing cattle and cattle that will finsh at light weigts will be discounted.
 
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