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Phony soldiers

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Anonymous

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Thanks to all those phony soldiers, and to the real ones, too.

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html
 
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Anonymous

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During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers."

Dave Rye Says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:08 am
Pardon my skepticism, and certainly no disrespect for the dead Montana soldier, but in my time in the Army I never heard such a word as “recalcitrant” escape the lips of any Staff Sergeant. I doubt if it’s spoken all that much in Ismay, either.

The soldiers had the help and probably the encouragement of a writer with an agenda, from a newspaper which has always had one. Its continually declining circulation now mainly consists of those who want desperately to consider themselves sophisticated as well as compassionate, even if that means always branding the U.S. as the chief villain on the world stage—-in fact, especially if it does.

I await the inevitable onslaught from outraged liberals. (Is there any other kind?)
http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20976&highlight=dave+rye

ff- you will be chastised as a Liberal something or other- but this comment of Rush's kind of reminds me of when I posted the above by Montana broadcaster and former Republican legislator Dave Rye--when he made the above comments about the soldiers that had been killed insinuating they were "too dumb" and too poorly educated in a Podunk Montana school to have been able to write their opinion article to the Times :roll: :( :mad:

Yep an army of "phony" soldiers and "dumb" staff sergeants :wink: :( :mad:

I wonder if they will pass a Congressional resolution chastising Rush and Rye :???:

Not a fan of MoveOns or Rush's (altho I do like some of his ideas)-- but it sure shows that the radical idiots come in both flavors-- Liberal and Conservative......
 

Texan

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You should be ashamed of yourself, ff. You just want everybody to think that Rush called soldiers who disagree with our efforts in Iraq, "phony". According to some of the comments further into that blog, the transcript of the broadcast doesn't reveal anything like that.


Here's one of the comments further into the blog:

"...you may want to actually go and listen to what Rush said. He called people like Jesse Macbeth and the guy who wrote the fake New Republic accounts from Iraq, "phony soldiers"."

Here's another:

"You may see that your "phony" accusation is a bit off base once you actually hear what was actually said..."


Here's another:

"Get your facts strait before you start accusing Rush of calling service men or women "phony soldiers" if they are opposed to the war in Iraq. If you had actually listend to his radio talk show you would have learned that he was specifically speaking about someone who was never a member of the U.S. military. A person who was trying to pass themselves off as a soldier that was against the war in Iraq."

Here's another - along with a link to the broadcast (I haven't tried the link):

"You have been duped by Media Matters. They disseminated only the first part of Rush's conversation and cut out the second part. He was talking about fake soldiers like Jesse Macbeth, who pretended to be an Army Ranger. You can hear the whole thing here:
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20070928194023/index.html



In any case, I join with you in thanking the REAL soldiers.
 
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Texan said:
You should be ashamed of yourself, ff. You just want everybody to think that Rush called soldiers who disagree with our efforts in Iraq, "phony". According to some of the comments further into that blog, the transcript of the broadcast doesn't reveal anything like that.


Here's one of the comments further into the blog:

"...you may want to actually go and listen to what Rush said. He called people like Jesse Macbeth and the guy who wrote the fake New Republic accounts from Iraq, "phony soldiers"."

Here's another:

"You may see that your "phony" accusation is a bit off base once you actually hear what was actually said..."


Here's another:

"Get your facts strait before you start accusing Rush of calling service men or women "phony soldiers" if they are opposed to the war in Iraq. If you had actually listend to his radio talk show you would have learned that he was specifically speaking about someone who was never a member of the U.S. military. A person who was trying to pass themselves off as a soldier that was against the war in Iraq."

Here's another - along with a link to the broadcast (I haven't tried the link):

"You have been duped by Media Matters. They disseminated only the first part of Rush's conversation and cut out the second part. He was talking about fake soldiers like Jesse Macbeth, who pretended to be an Army Ranger. You can hear the whole thing here:
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20070928194023/index.html



In any case, I join with you in thanking the REAL soldiers.

I read the comments. And I'll say "you have been duped." The link below takes you to Media Matters. Click on the Rush Limbaugh link on the right side of the page. You can listen to his comments from his own mouth. Here's what he said:

"LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."
CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --
LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
CALLER 2: Exactly, sir"

Today, he's edited the transcript and claims he was only referring to Jesse MacBeth. Listen for yourself. Make up your own mind.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top (original comments)

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_top (edited by Rush)
 

jigs

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcq%2Dadm01%2Ejfk1%2Epremiereradio%2Enet%3A4502%2Fhome%2Fdaily%2Fsite%5F092807%2Fhome%2Eguest%2Ehtml

here it is, right from the horses mouth!

God Bless you Rush!
 

Texan

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ff said:
I read the comments. And I'll say "you have been duped."
No, but I was ALMOST duped - by you and your deceptive little blog. I ALMOST took it at face value without checking into it further. I ALMOST believed that Rush had really said that ALL soldiers who disagree with the war are phonies. And if he HAD said that, I would join you in condemning him for it.

But he didn't say that. That's pretty clear to anyone with an open mind - to anyone who can be objective.
 
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Texan said:
ff said:
I read the comments. And I'll say "you have been duped."
No, but I was ALMOST duped - by you and your deceptive little blog. I ALMOST took it at face value without checking into it further. I ALMOST believed that Rush had really said that ALL soldiers who disagree with the war are phonies. And if he HAD said that, I would join you in condemning him for it.

But he didn't say that. That's pretty clear to anyone with an open mind - to anyone who can be objective.

You'll believe what you want. But for those just coming in, here's the link again. The transcript is there. You can play the audio there, too. In his own words, out of his own mouth. The second link I posted is his "revised" transcript. Just as he insisted Caller1 couldn't be a Republican if he didn't support the Iraq war, he called soldiers who are willing to speak against the war "phony soldiers." Now that it's being picked up by the blogs and media, he's making excuses and revising the transcripts of his show.

Play the audio and make up your own mind. I've made up mine.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280001
 
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Oldtimer said:
I wonder if they will pass a Congressional resolution chastising Rush and Rye :???:

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I hear that Monday Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) will be introducing a resolution in the House condemning Rush Limbaugh for his “phony soldiers” remark. How many Republicans and right wing talk show hosts will scream and yell about the waste of Congressional time by introducing such a minor piece of legislation? :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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You know the whole sad thing of this General Betrayus- Rush said- Rush didn't say mess is that those idiots in Congress are going to spend so much time passing resolutions trying to say who is right and who is wrong-in a political game to them---- when the dollar is dropping, inflation is rising, almost all the economic advisors say we are heading into some level of recession, consumers are screaming for some food safety oversight, etc. etc....

This whole government is so tied up in politics that its almost totally unaware of or dysfunctional to whats really happening...
 

Cal

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/winter_soldier_syndrome.html

Winter Soldier Syndrome
By Michelle Malkin

The tale of Army Private Scott Thomas Beauchamp, the discredited "Baghdad Diarist" for the discredited New Republic magazine, is an old tale:

Self-aggrandizing soldier recounts war atrocities. Media outlets disseminate soldier's tales uncritically. Military folks smell a rat and poke holes in tales too good (or rather, bad) to be true. Soldier's ideological sponsors blame the messengers for exposing anti-war fraud.

Beauchamp belongs in the same ward as John F. Kerry, the original infectious agent of the toxic American disease known as Winter Soldier Syndrome. The ward is filling up.

U.S. military investigators concluded this week that Beauchamp concocted allegations of troop misconduct in a series of essays for The New Republic. "The investigation is complete and the allegations from PVT Beauchamp are false," Major Steven Lamb, a spokesman for Multi National Division-Baghdad, told USA Today. The New Republic is standing by Beauchamp's work. But Michael Goldfarb, online editor and blogger at The Weekly Standard who first challenged Beauchamp's writing, reported Monday that Beauchamp had "signed a sworn statement admitting that all three articles he published in the New Republic were exaggerations and falsehoods -- fabrications containing only 'a smidgen of truth,' in the words of our source."

To illustrate the soul-deadening impact of war, Beauchamp had described sitting in a mess hall in Iraq mocking a female civilian contractor whose face had "melted" after an IED explosion. "I love chicks that have been intimate -- with IEDs," Pvt. Beauchamp claimed he said out loud in her earshot. "It really turns me on -- melted skin, missing limbs, plastic noses." Beauchamp recounted vividly: "My friend was practically falling out of his chair laughing. The disfigured woman slammed her cup down and ran out of the chow hall."

It wasn't true. After active-duty troops, veterans, embedded journalists and bloggers raised pointed questions about the veracity of the anecdote, Beauchamp confessed to The New Republic's meticulous fact-checkers that the mocking had taken place in Kuwait -- before he had set foot in Iraq to experience the soul-deadening impact of war.

Military officials in Kuwait tried to verify the incident and called it an "urban legend or myth." Beauchamp's essays are filled with similarly spun tales. How much of a bull-slinger was Beauchamp, an aspiring creative writer who crowed on his personal blog that he would "return to America an author" after serving (which he told friends and family would "add a legitimacy to EVERYTHING I do afterwards")? The very first line of his essay "Shock Troops," which opened with the melted-face mockery, was this: "I saw her nearly every time I went to dinner in the chow hall at my base in Iraq."

"Nearly every time." At "my base in Iraq." Complete and utter bull.

Defenders of The New Republic, a left-leaning magazine infamously duped by another young and ambitious fabulist, Stephen Glass, say the Beauchamp saga has been 1) blown out of proportion; 2) perpetuated by sloppy, rumor-mongering bloggers; 3) used as a distraction from the troubles in Iraq; and 4) exploited by "chickenhawks" who deny that war atrocities happen.

But the truth is, you won't find a single Bush Kool-Aid drinker among the military bloggers, embedded independent journalists and active-duty troops who prominently questioned the Beauchamp sham. They know it ain't all going swimmingly overseas. But unlike Pvt. Beauchamp, they're committed to telling the whole truth about the war, not just approximations and embellishments that will score easy magazine gigs and future book deals with elite New York City publishers. The doubters of Scott Thomas know atrocities when they see them. But, unlike the TNR editors, they know steaming bull dung when they smell it.

Ever since John Kerry sat in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and accused American soldiers of wantonly razing villages "in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan," the Left has embraced a small cadre of self-loathing soldiers and soldier wannabes willing to sell their deadened souls for the anti-war cause. Think Jimmy Massey, the unhinged Marine who falsely accused his unit of engaging in mass genocide against Iraqis. Think Jesse MacBeth and Micah Wright, anti-war Army Rangers who weren't Army Rangers.
Winter Soldier Syndrome will only be cured when the costs of slandering the troops outweigh the benefits. Exposing Scott Thomas Beauchamp and his brethren matters because the truth matters. The honor of the military matters. The credibility of the media matters. Think it doesn't make a difference? Imagine where Sen. John Kerry would be now if the Internet had been around in 1971.
 

Sandhusker

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The Dems got their tits in a wringer over the "General Betrayus" crap and now they're really reaching to try to get the Reps with this "Phony Soldier" deal. Any objective person can tell that Limbaugh (and I'm no fan of is) was talking about people lying about being soldiers or lying about their service. This is just making the Dems look even worse.
 

Texan

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Sandhusker said:
The Dems got their tits in a wringer over the "General Betrayus" crap and now they're really reaching to try to get the Reps with this "Phony Soldier" deal. Any objective person can tell that Limbaugh (and I'm no fan of is) was talking about people lying about being soldiers or lying about their service. This is just making the Dems look even worse.
I agree, Sandhusker. They act like they're scared of Rush - anything to demonize him.

A lot of these liberals that are whining about Rush over NOTHING didn't have sht to say about the Betrayus ad.
 

kolanuraven

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Texan said:
Sandhusker said:
The Dems got their tits in a wringer over the "General Betrayus" crap and now they're really reaching to try to get the Reps with this "Phony Soldier" deal. Any objective person can tell that Limbaugh (and I'm no fan of is) was talking about people lying about being soldiers or lying about their service. This is just making the Dems look even worse.
I agree, Sandhusker. They act like they're scared of Rush - anything to demonize him.

A lot of these liberals that are whining about Rush over NOTHING didn't have sht to say about the Betrayus ad.


Well I'll chime in on this.

The Betrayus ad was WRONG....WRONG.....WRONG!!!! Wrong every way possible.


Rush L is a big mouthed fool who LOVES any attention he can get by saying anything that pops into his drug wasted brain.


Both sides are guilty!!
 

Sandhusker

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I'll agree with you that Rush is a fat-headed mouth, but he didn't say anything wrong (this time). MoveOn made a clear statement - Rush's words are deliberately being taken completely out of context, and you can't tell me that Reid and Co. don't know exactly what they're doing. They're twisting his words into something he clearly didn't mean. There's no comparison between the two.

The Dems are in a hole and they need to quit digging.
 
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Anonymous

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One of those "phoney" soldiers takes on Rush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKM_NsTswco&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailykos%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F10%2F2%2F143649%2F962

And Rush responds by comparing him to a suicide bomber!

"...lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into."

Transcript AND audio of Rush's latest "support the troops" garbage are here.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710020014
 

Larrry

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mediamatters.org/

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Cal

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You're right Larry, maybe if ff actually listened to Rush, she'd know that Rush is one of the biggest allies that the troops have.
 

aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
The Dems got their tits in a wringer over the "General Betrayus" crap and now they're really reaching to try to get the Reps with this "Phony Soldier" deal. Any objective person can tell that Limbaugh (and I'm no fan of is) was talking about people lying about being soldiers or lying about their service. This is just making the Dems look even worse.

I agree with you! And I am not a Rush fan either. Not that I do not agree with much of what he has to say. I just don't like his show much. I would rather listen to O'Reilly or Hannity and Mark Levin. Rush bores me.

I have had a chance all of them more now that I have entered into the modern world and got Satellite TV.
 

Larrry

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I hardly listen to Rush. Just don't much don't why, but I will listen again today as I have the last two days. I made a donation to the Reps in honor of the Dems on this.
Furthermore all you Rush haters,. If they can silence Rush, THEY CAN SILENCE ANYONE INCLUDING YOURSELF Be careful what you wish for.
 

kolanuraven

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Larrry said:
I hardly listen to Rush. Just don't much don't why, but I will listen again today as I have the last two days. I made a donation to the Reps in honor of the Dems on this.
Furthermore all you Rush haters,. If they can silence Rush, THEY CAN SILENCE ANYONE INCLUDING YOURSELF Be careful what you wish for.


If it will hush you up....just might be worth it!!!!!
 
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